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Rye bag looks dry
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I’ve never posted before. Been hanging around for 1yr* or so have had mediocre success. I have rye bag from out grow, injected .05 golden teacher(-removed vendor-), 11 days ago, temp 70-77. Since I put to many spores in and my rye looks dry should I: Inject some water? And does the humidity in the room affect a shotgun chamber? I would think it wouldn’t affect the rye bag because it is an enclosed system...is that correct?
Mod edit: Removed vendor name.
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Wrong place for this post. Ending up going in the news feed. I would recommend starting with some brf cakes before jumping into grains. Sounds like you inoculated an outsourced rye bag with spores. Outsourcing sterilized bags are setting yourself up for failure. Spores into grain is another. I would’t recommending injecting water into a sterilized bag. And the rye bag shouldn’t be in a sgfc. A shelf room temp is fine.
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trips me out how many newbies go for spores in a grain bag. no offense.
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I’ve done it my first couple times tho mostly jars I just experimented with bags a time or two.
But yeah, this belongs in cultivation
I used to never get MS contams really, then at some point I started to. Right when everyone was using agar from jump. Maybe clean syringe standards changed at some point due to that.
Or maybe I didn’t use them right away or something etc
Agar is way more rewarding anyway but it’s obv easier to just shoot some spores into a bag or jar
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I wonder if they started making dirtier syringes to increase agar sales 
an interesting thought
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Re: Rye bag looks dry (moved) [Re: Spkdwthpain] 1
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Psilosopherr said: I wonder if they started making dirtier syringes to increase agar sales 
an interesting thought
Lolwut. Are you saying grocery stores are telling spore producers to produce product of lesser quality to increase sales of a cheap niche product?
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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: poisoned]
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I think they just realized they “could get away with it”, since ya know, schedule 1 and all that, with cultivation possibly leading to arrests. So say a 10% drop in syringe cleanliness, it’s not like there’s much oversight. It’s just about repeat sales, Although I’m sure the micro-myco industry relies on this comeback sale thing. And reviews. “XX is so great, hooked me up with an extra, examined thru the scope, very viable, no issues with contams”
Even one bad review is like a rabbit hole with everyone else who fucked something up (doesn’t matter if it’s the vendor’s fault) chiming in.
It’s like how Ralphsters used to have plenty of good reviews
I think it’s more likely they would think “this is probably going on agar anyway, it doesn’t have to be truly sterile”
The real issue is: growing psilocybes is still quite illegal and there’s no actual oversight besides the community
I have to say, I really enjoyed it when I could get a syringe, and (gasp) not even use a true SAB, just shoot em up in the PC very quick, no contams, good potency. My first agar grows gave me shroom potency I had never experienced before but still, sometimes it’s good to just grow fast and easy
With agar I started getting prints instead, tho in a shop (not trade) they are harder to find and people buy em up fast
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OP please remove the vendors name from your post. they would not be happy that you are advertising that you are breaking the law with their products. again lets be smart here people. we are walking the very fine line of the law when it comes to spores as it is. and its not a good idea to poke the bear so to say. cuz as with everything else in life it only takes one jackass to ruin things for everyone else. and all that can come from such behavior will only further hinder the ability to practice the hobby of which we all love and enjoy dearly.
also as said premade shit sux and is not the way to go. yes spores to grains will work. however its not a good idea. making and using agar is by far the way to go. that way you know you have a good looking and clean culture to start with. it will greatly increase your chances of success all around.
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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: jcm4620]
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I wouldn’t even call it a fine line. There’s actually almost no “veil” if you get what I’m saying. Spores themselves are legally not too much of a problem, but a cultivation site with links to spores and growing info is where it becomes tricky
Also I’d say if it’s like a first or second project, there isn’t much of a problem used pre-sterilized except $$. My first project and first agar work I didn’t make myself. I wanted to get acquainted with how growing works. The only issue is if that media gets contaminated and you paid for it etc
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We’ll see how this goeslike I said I have had marginal success. Done brf two different times, that’s why I asked if the room humidity has anything to do with the sgfc. They did really good invetro and they did ok, not like some pics I’ve seen, dunked them and they went again. have also done rye bags and that is where I had the most success. My question was because It had been two weeks and nothing was happening I thought maybe I injected to many spores in rye bag so I was worried about the moisture ratio to spore ratio...but hey maybe that only applies to brf? Anyway I already new the answer..”.patience my ass” Everything will work out just lovely Oh yeah and as far as me taking the vendor name out I can’t seem to get back to where I can change that first post. Thank you for the direction.
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all u gtta do is edit the post man
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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: jcm4620]
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it happens with spore to grain sometimes. Give it a few more days
And edit the vendor out of your post like said above
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Spkdwthpain said: We’ll see how this goes��like I said I have had marginal success. Done brf two different times, that’s why I asked if the room humidity has anything to do with the sgfc. They did really good invetro and they did ok, not like some pics I’ve seen, dunked them and they went again. have also done rye bags and that is where I had the most success. My question was because It had been two weeks and nothing was happening I thought maybe I injected to many spores in rye bag so I was worried about the moisture ratio to spore ratio...but hey maybe that only applies to brf? Anyway I already new the answer..”.patience my ass” Everything will work out just lovely Oh yeah and as far as me taking the vendor name out I can’t seem to get back to where I can change that first post. Thank you for the direction.
How is the bag looking like right now? Is there zero signs of myc completely?
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trips me out how many newbies go for spores in a grain bag. no offense.
spores to grain isn't all that bad as long as everything's somewhat sterile, im not surprised noobs go for it agar is hard to get the first time right but is way less wasteful and way superior compared to S2G some ppl just want fast shrooms
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Spore to grain after PF Tek is natural progression if you ask me
if it’s a syringe, inoculate right away for best chance at success. I do like the precision and potency of agar but sometimes you just want shrooms fast. There are certain varieties that never let me down MS
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If you go for spores to grain, at least do it with jars. IME, spores also germinate faster on agar and you don't really get a time benefit. A few months ago, I put some spores to grain as well as on agar. I used T1 plate to inoculate another jar and it outran the spore jar.
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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: poisoned]
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I def agree that jars are better. I guess when it does work with bags, you need a super clean syringe and that’s partially luck. like I said above, I think with MS you gotta use the spores pretty quick (in a syringe, not so much a print) But you likely get a lot of cheap spawn
when I started, I’d get a random syringe from one of what used to be 5 USA sponsors here they’d just be clean 90ish % of the time. And this wasn’t due to sterile technique, but the syringes themselves. I hope maybe by now they’re more clean, or maybe I just wasn’t using them on time. But I like to grow out my own genetics on agar anyway due to this
Like some super potent Mazzie cultures I’ve been working with forever, and pretty much nothing else
The bags, they’re sometimes alluring cause they’re cheap and if they colonize, it can be several pounds of spawn, and you can kneed it, with a jar it can easily grow unevenly (shaking can just make it worse from my experience)
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Hi all, real sorry to jump on this with my own problems, but seemed like the right place, this is only my second post so please let me know if that's not the way to do things and I'll sort it...
I'm a classic noob that's made classic mistakes (hangs head in shame) and am starting now on the right path with agar practice (not even using spores yet, just to make sure).
Just wanted to ask anyone about the first rye bag i started with MS, it was doing great but this last patch just won't colonize and is starting to look a little dry. Should I break it up again (feels like desperate measures) or just leave it and expect the worst? It's been going for about 5 weeks now at 26-27C, though the first few weeks it was cooooold.
Much appreciated,
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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: StickyBay]
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My rye bag is fully colonized ..I think. Last time I did this I just followed the instructions on the vendor site. I would like to do bulk. But I don’t dare, I’m afraid it won’t work. I’ve read tons on here. I’m on “information overload”. So can I put my bulk substrate in some sort of dish, mix
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In my spawn and then put in my sgfc?
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When you have grain spawn colonized, mix it with bulk. You’ll only need maybe a third of a brick of coir and a handful or two of verm (Assuming that bag is everything you have), hot water until field capacity which is where a hard squeeze gets you a few drops of water. Once that’s cool you mix in your spawn in a shoe box or Tupperware of decent size or whatever else fits the bill. Then just wait for mushrooms while making sure it doesn’t dry out.
Some crazy conversations taking place up top. Agar has nothing to do with potency, except indirectly by allowing you to clone and isolate cultures...but you still have to find that potent mushroom from a grow or really luckily from blind isolation.
And it’s true plenty people successfully go spores to grain but that’s like walking through some place in the dark. You can make it through unscathed, maybe several times, but eventually it will bite you. Not all spawn is totally clean even with experienced growers. It’s more of a race to get your stuff colonized and fruited before bad stuff happens. Spores to grain bag is the worst combo because while they’re germinating and taking all that time to grow so is other stuff and they started at the same time. Starting with live myc gives you a massive head start.
And the theory about lackadaisical sterile syringe tech to promote agar sales.... I’m sure spore suppliers would love people to never get into agar so they’re forced to rely on spore syringes in the dark their whole life. Once you use agar, which is the most basic necessity for mush cult, you’ll never need to buy a spore syringe again. Take prints from grows, take clones and save cultures forever. Then you can trade your prints for others if you want some variety.
Just rambling here don’t mind me.
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I'm a true noob myself, so obviously wait for an experienced hand to reply but...
This might be worth reading for you in the meantime:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=25274461&pa
I'm in the same boat though, reading, reading and more reading every day, don't want to mess up another bag! I've started agar and grain jars now fwiw.
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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: StickyBay]
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StickyBay said: Hi all, real sorry to jump on this with my own problems, but seemed like the right place, this is only my second post so please let me know if that's not the way to do things and I'll sort it...
I'm a classic noob that's made classic mistakes (hangs head in shame) and am starting now on the right path with agar practice (not even using spores yet, just to make sure).
Just wanted to ask anyone about the first rye bag i started with MS, it was doing great but this last patch just won't colonize and is starting to look a little dry. Should I break it up again (feels like desperate measures) or just leave it and expect the worst? It's been going for about 5 weeks now at 26-27C, though the first few weeks it was cooooold.
Much appreciated,

It's bacterial. Try to spawn it and you should probably get a flush out of it. Also, 26-26ºC is really on the warm side, especially for bags. Room temperature is better.
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Spkdwthpain said: My rye bag is fully colonized ..I think. Last time I did this I just followed the instructions on the vendor site. I would like to do bulk. But I don’t dare, I’m afraid it won’t work. I’ve read tons on here. I’m on “information overload”. So can I put my bulk substrate in some sort of dish, mix
In my spawn and then put in my sgfc?
Spawn to a few shoeboxes or to a single monotub. You don't need to put that in SGFC, those are both self contained fruiting chambers.
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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: poisoned]
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StickyBay said: Hi all, real sorry to jump on this with my own problems, but seemed like the right place, this is only my second post so please let me know if that's not the way to do things and I'll sort it...
I'm a classic noob that's made classic mistakes (hangs head in shame) and am starting now on the right path with agar practice (not even using spores yet, just to make sure).
Just wanted to ask anyone about the first rye bag i started with MS, it was doing great but this last patch just won't colonize and is starting to look a little dry. Should I break it up again (feels like desperate measures) or just leave it and expect the worst? It's been going for about 5 weeks now at 26-27C, though the first few weeks it was cooooold.
Much appreciated,

It's bacterial. Try to spawn it and you should probably get a flush out of it. Also, 26-26ºC is really on the warm side, especially for bags. Room temperature is better.
Thanks so much mate, I'll see what happens and consider it a lesson either way, no stress!
The advice really is appreciated though, I couldn't be more grateful for this forum and yooos lot who know!
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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: StickyBay]
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Im having great success doing LC with bags that have been sterilized under no pressure, 15 hour cook at 207f with steam. No autoclave. They do dry out at around 20 hours in my experience.
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Can you not get a PC or something where you live? It would probably pay for itself in gas or electricity savings after a run or three. Not to mention having to wait fifteen hours to sterilize yo stuff. Just curious
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I think it’s ready to fruit
Might work out just fine even if a little bit of bacteria
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Hey guys...so I figured that the bag and the shoe box are contained systems...( that’s a whole nother can of worms Cuz I couldn’t seem to keep a handle on the humidity in my sgfc I thought maybe the room humidity was affecting the humidity in the sgfc. ???) I have a container that is taller than a regular shoe box, I thought that would be good cuz it would give the fruits extra height to grow....then I remembered one important rule “stay true to the course” there is a reason for only using the shorter containers? And I also appreciate the advice, like I said I’ve been hanging around just reading, thanks for all the help
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It will just have a little more air in it is all. If you have too high of a empty space to sub ratio then it will be more difficult to maintain perfect conditions. I dont think a few extra inches of height will make any difference though.
The SGFC can seem dry since you never really see any condensation but its just because there's a lot of moving air and no temp difference. The times i used one i already knew that and was told just to trust the stupid thing and spray the cakes if they look dry. It worked great but i barely ever used it. If you were trying to use a hygrometer in one, those things suck too pretty much. Oh i'll never forget spending all that time drilling the little 1/4" holes.
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Thank you for taking time to help me so I have made some progress I mixed my colonized grain with my substrate. In a shoebox. It is very interesting how you don’t have to worry about fresh air exchange with a shoe box. It was such a big deal with the brf cakes. Anyway I have tons of pins, they are starting to grow. From the limited experience I have, they remind me of aborts. Are they going to grow more? What do I need to do?
Also I bought me some rye berries and borrowed my girlfriends pc I’m going to try to upload pic
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Quick question what about all the ones on the bottom? http
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Hey guys... you would be very proud of me. I made my own rye jars☺️ I haven’t done the agar yet but (I am thinking about it) I just inoculated my right brain with the spores so now one of my jar is completely white pc Texas I have the coir berm gym all ready I have a 1/2 quart jar Is a 1/2quart jar about 1/2 full of spawn enough to do to containers and how big of containers
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You could do a small container. From what you're describing you have about a half pint of grain spawn, inoculated from your right brain?
You should get one of those smaller tupperware and mix your grain spawn with twice as much bulk sub mixture.
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That’s my rye jar. It looked 100% colonized so I shook it and now I can see lots of brown on the Rybury’s is it ready to mix with my COIR?
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Will someone please look at my rye jar? I’m not sure if it ready to mix subtrate
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