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Roger Clemency
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When you have grain spawn colonized, mix it with bulk. You’ll only need maybe a third of a brick of coir and a handful or two of verm (Assuming that bag is everything you have), hot water until field capacity which is where a hard squeeze gets you a few drops of water. Once that’s cool you mix in your spawn in a shoe box or Tupperware of decent size or whatever else fits the bill. Then just wait for mushrooms while making sure it doesn’t dry out.
Some crazy conversations taking place up top. Agar has nothing to do with potency, except indirectly by allowing you to clone and isolate cultures...but you still have to find that potent mushroom from a grow or really luckily from blind isolation.
And it’s true plenty people successfully go spores to grain but that’s like walking through some place in the dark. You can make it through unscathed, maybe several times, but eventually it will bite you. Not all spawn is totally clean even with experienced growers. It’s more of a race to get your stuff colonized and fruited before bad stuff happens. Spores to grain bag is the worst combo because while they’re germinating and taking all that time to grow so is other stuff and they started at the same time. Starting with live myc gives you a massive head start.
And the theory about lackadaisical sterile syringe tech to promote agar sales.... I’m sure spore suppliers would love people to never get into agar so they’re forced to rely on spore syringes in the dark their whole life. Once you use agar, which is the most basic necessity for mush cult, you’ll never need to buy a spore syringe again. Take prints from grows, take clones and save cultures forever. Then you can trade your prints for others if you want some variety.
Just rambling here don’t mind me.
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I'm a true noob myself, so obviously wait for an experienced hand to reply but...
This might be worth reading for you in the meantime:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=25274461&pa
I'm in the same boat though, reading, reading and more reading every day, don't want to mess up another bag! I've started agar and grain jars now fwiw.
Good luck man!
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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: StickyBay]
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StickyBay said: Hi all, real sorry to jump on this with my own problems, but seemed like the right place, this is only my second post so please let me know if that's not the way to do things and I'll sort it...
I'm a classic noob that's made classic mistakes (hangs head in shame) and am starting now on the right path with agar practice (not even using spores yet, just to make sure).
Just wanted to ask anyone about the first rye bag i started with MS, it was doing great but this last patch just won't colonize and is starting to look a little dry. Should I break it up again (feels like desperate measures) or just leave it and expect the worst? It's been going for about 5 weeks now at 26-27C, though the first few weeks it was cooooold.
Much appreciated,

It's bacterial. Try to spawn it and you should probably get a flush out of it. Also, 26-26ºC is really on the warm side, especially for bags. Room temperature is better.
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Spkdwthpain said: My rye bag is fully colonized ..I think. Last time I did this I just followed the instructions on the vendor site. I would like to do bulk. But I don’t dare, I’m afraid it won’t work. I’ve read tons on here. I’m on “information overload”. So can I put my bulk substrate in some sort of dish, mix
In my spawn and then put in my sgfc?
Spawn to a few shoeboxes or to a single monotub. You don't need to put that in SGFC, those are both self contained fruiting chambers.
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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: poisoned]
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StickyBay said: Hi all, real sorry to jump on this with my own problems, but seemed like the right place, this is only my second post so please let me know if that's not the way to do things and I'll sort it...
I'm a classic noob that's made classic mistakes (hangs head in shame) and am starting now on the right path with agar practice (not even using spores yet, just to make sure).
Just wanted to ask anyone about the first rye bag i started with MS, it was doing great but this last patch just won't colonize and is starting to look a little dry. Should I break it up again (feels like desperate measures) or just leave it and expect the worst? It's been going for about 5 weeks now at 26-27C, though the first few weeks it was cooooold.
Much appreciated,

It's bacterial. Try to spawn it and you should probably get a flush out of it. Also, 26-26ºC is really on the warm side, especially for bags. Room temperature is better.
Thanks so much mate, I'll see what happens and consider it a lesson either way, no stress!
The advice really is appreciated though, I couldn't be more grateful for this forum and yooos lot who know!
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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: StickyBay]
#26731319 - 06/09/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im having great success doing LC with bags that have been sterilized under no pressure, 15 hour cook at 207f with steam. No autoclave. They do dry out at around 20 hours in my experience.
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Can you not get a PC or something where you live? It would probably pay for itself in gas or electricity savings after a run or three. Not to mention having to wait fifteen hours to sterilize yo stuff. Just curious
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I think it’s ready to fruit
Might work out just fine even if a little bit of bacteria
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Hey guys...so I figured that the bag and the shoe box are contained systems...( that’s a whole nother can of worms Cuz I couldn’t seem to keep a handle on the humidity in my sgfc I thought maybe the room humidity was affecting the humidity in the sgfc. ???) I have a container that is taller than a regular shoe box, I thought that would be good cuz it would give the fruits extra height to grow....then I remembered one important rule “stay true to the course” there is a reason for only using the shorter containers? And I also appreciate the advice, like I said I’ve been hanging around just reading, thanks for all the help
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It will just have a little more air in it is all. If you have too high of a empty space to sub ratio then it will be more difficult to maintain perfect conditions. I dont think a few extra inches of height will make any difference though.
The SGFC can seem dry since you never really see any condensation but its just because there's a lot of moving air and no temp difference. The times i used one i already knew that and was told just to trust the stupid thing and spray the cakes if they look dry. It worked great but i barely ever used it. If you were trying to use a hygrometer in one, those things suck too pretty much. Oh i'll never forget spending all that time drilling the little 1/4" holes.
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Thank you for taking time to help me so I have made some progress I mixed my colonized grain with my substrate. In a shoebox. It is very interesting how you don’t have to worry about fresh air exchange with a shoe box. It was such a big deal with the brf cakes. Anyway I have tons of pins, they are starting to grow. From the limited experience I have, they remind me of aborts. Are they going to grow more? What do I need to do?
Also I bought me some rye berries and borrowed my girlfriends pc I’m going to try to upload pic
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Quick question what about all the ones on the bottom? http
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Hey guys... you would be very proud of me. I made my own rye jars☺️ I haven’t done the agar yet but (I am thinking about it) I just inoculated my right brain with the spores so now one of my jar is completely white pc Texas I have the coir berm gym all ready I have a 1/2 quart jar Is a 1/2quart jar about 1/2 full of spawn enough to do to containers and how big of containers
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You could do a small container. From what you're describing you have about a half pint of grain spawn, inoculated from your right brain?
You should get one of those smaller tupperware and mix your grain spawn with twice as much bulk sub mixture.
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That’s my rye jar. It looked 100% colonized so I shook it and now I can see lots of brown on the Rybury’s is it ready to mix with my COIR?
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Will someone please look at my rye jar? I’m not sure if it ready to mix subtrate
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You! With the crazy eye?
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