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OfflineSpkdwthpain
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Rye bag looks dry
    #26673370 - 05/15/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’ve never posted before. Been hanging around for 1yr* or so have had mediocre success. I have rye bag from out grow, injected .05 golden teacher(-removed vendor-), 11 days ago, temp 70-77. Since I put to many spores in and my rye looks dry should I: Inject some water? And does the humidity in the room affect a shotgun chamber? I would think it wouldn’t affect the rye bag because it is an enclosed system...is that correct?

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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Spkdwthpain] * 2
    #26673555 - 05/15/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wrong place for this post. Ending up going in the news feed.
I would recommend starting with some brf cakes before jumping into grains.
Sounds like you inoculated an outsourced rye bag with spores.
Outsourcing sterilized bags are setting yourself up for failure.
Spores into grain is another.
I would’t recommending injecting water into a sterilized bag.
And the rye bag shouldn’t be in a sgfc.
A shelf room temp is fine.


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Strainsfordaze]
    #26674602 - 05/16/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:

trips me out how many newbies go for spores in a grain bag. no offense.


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #26674629 - 05/16/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’ve done it my first couple times :shrug: tho mostly jars I just experimented with bags a time or two.

But yeah, this belongs in cultivation

I used to never get MS contams really, then at some point I started to. Right when everyone was using agar from jump. Maybe clean syringe standards changed at some point due to that.

Or maybe I didn’t use them right away or something etc

Agar is way more rewarding anyway but it’s obv easier to just shoot some spores into a bag or jar


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Fractal420]
    #26674753 - 05/16/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder if they started making dirtier syringes to increase agar sales :kingtard:

an interesting thought


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Re: Rye bag looks dry (moved) [Re: Spkdwthpain] * 1
    #26676237 - 05/17/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This thread was moved from Shroomery News Service.

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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #26676261 - 05/17/20 05:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Psilosopherr said:
I wonder if they started making dirtier syringes to increase agar sales :kingtard:

an interesting thought




Lolwut. Are you saying grocery stores are telling spore producers to produce product of lesser quality to increase sales of a cheap niche product?


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: poisoned]
    #26676301 - 05/17/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think they just realized they “could get away with it”, since ya know, schedule 1 and all that, with cultivation possibly leading to arrests. So say a 10% drop in syringe cleanliness, it’s not like there’s much oversight. It’s just about repeat sales, Although I’m sure the micro-myco industry relies on this comeback sale thing. And reviews. “XX is so great, hooked me up with an extra, examined thru the scope, very viable, no issues with contams”

Even one bad review is like a rabbit hole with everyone else who fucked something up (doesn’t matter if it’s the vendor’s fault) chiming in.

It’s like how Ralphsters used to have plenty of good reviews

I think it’s more likely they would think “this is probably going on agar anyway, it doesn’t have to be truly sterile”

The real issue is: growing psilocybes is still quite illegal and there’s no actual oversight besides the community

I have to say, I really enjoyed it when I could get a syringe, and (gasp) not even use a true SAB, just shoot em up in the PC very quick, no contams, good potency. My first agar grows gave me shroom potency I had never experienced before but still, sometimes it’s good to just grow fast and easy

With agar I started getting prints instead, tho in a shop (not trade) they are harder to find and people buy em up fast


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Fractal420]
    #26676357 - 05/17/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

OP
please remove the vendors name from your post. they would not be happy that you are advertising that you are breaking the law with their products. again lets be smart here people. we are walking the very fine line of the law when it comes to spores as it is. and its not a good idea to poke the bear so to say. cuz as with everything else in life it only takes one jackass to ruin things for everyone else. and all that can come from such behavior will only further hinder the ability to practice the hobby of which we all love and enjoy dearly.

also as said premade shit sux and is not the way to go. yes spores to grains will work. however its not a good idea. making and using agar is by far the way to go. that way you know you have a good looking and clean culture to start with. it will greatly increase your chances of success all around.


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: jcm4620]
    #26680450 - 05/19/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn’t even call it a fine line. There’s actually almost no “veil” if you get what I’m saying. Spores themselves are legally not too much of a problem, but a cultivation site with links to spores and growing info is where it becomes tricky

Also I’d say if it’s like a first or second project, there isn’t much of a problem used pre-sterilized except $$. My first project and first agar work I didn’t make myself. I wanted to get acquainted with how growing works. The only issue is if that media gets contaminated and you paid for it etc


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Fractal420]
    #26685841 - 05/21/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

We’ll see how this goes��like I said I have had marginal success.  Done brf two different times, that’s why I asked if the room humidity has anything to do with the sgfc.  They did really good invetro and they did ok, not like some pics I’ve seen, dunked them and they went again. have also done rye bags and that is where I had the most success.
My question was because It had been two weeks and nothing was happening  I thought maybe I injected to many spores in rye bag so I was worried about the moisture ratio to spore ratio...but hey maybe that only applies to brf?
Anyway I already new the answer..”.patience my ass”
Everything will work out just lovely
Oh yeah and as far as me taking the vendor name out I can’t seem to get back to where I can change that first post. Thank you for the direction.


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Spkdwthpain]
    #26687064 - 05/22/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

all u gtta do is edit the post man


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: jcm4620]
    #26687233 - 05/22/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

it happens with spore to grain sometimes. Give it a few more days

And edit the vendor out of your post like said above


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #26687268 - 05/22/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Spkdwthpain said:
We’ll see how this goes��like I said I have had marginal success.  Done brf two different times, that’s why I asked if the room humidity has anything to do with the sgfc.  They did really good invetro and they did ok, not like some pics I’ve seen, dunked them and they went again. have also done rye bags and that is where I had the most success.
My question was because It had been two weeks and nothing was happening  I thought maybe I injected to many spores in rye bag so I was worried about the moisture ratio to spore ratio...but hey maybe that only applies to brf?
Anyway I already new the answer..”.patience my ass”
Everything will work out just lovely
Oh yeah and as far as me taking the vendor name out I can’t seem to get back to where I can change that first post. Thank you for the direction.




How is the bag looking like right now? Is there zero signs of myc completely?

Quote:

Psilosopherr said:
:whathesaid:

trips me out how many newbies go for spores in a grain bag. no offense.




spores to grain isn't all that bad as long as everything's somewhat sterile, im not surprised noobs go for it
agar is hard to get the first time right but is way less wasteful and way superior compared to S2G
some ppl just want fast shrooms


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: TheShroomyDude] * 1
    #26700920 - 05/28/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Spore to grain after PF Tek is natural progression if you ask me

if it’s a syringe, inoculate right away for best chance at success. I do like the precision and potency of agar but sometimes you just want shrooms fast. There are certain varieties that never let me down MS


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Fractal420]
    #26701060 - 05/28/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you go for spores to grain, at least do it with jars. IME, spores also germinate faster on agar and you don't really get a time benefit. A few months ago, I put some spores to grain as well as on agar. I used T1 plate to inoculate another jar and it outran the spore jar.


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: poisoned]
    #26701872 - 05/28/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I def agree that jars are better. I guess when it does work with bags, you need a super clean syringe and that’s partially luck. like I said above, I think with MS you gotta use the spores pretty quick (in a syringe, not so much a print)
But you likely get a lot of cheap spawn

when I started, I’d get a random syringe from one of what used to be 5 USA sponsors here they’d just be clean 90ish % of the time. And this wasn’t due to sterile technique, but the syringes themselves. I hope maybe by now they’re more clean, or maybe I just wasn’t using them on time. But I like to grow out my own genetics on agar anyway due to this

Like some super potent Mazzie cultures I’ve been working with forever, and pretty much nothing else

The bags, they’re sometimes alluring cause they’re cheap and if they colonize, it can be several pounds of spawn, and you can kneed it, with a jar it can easily grow unevenly (shaking can just make it worse from my experience)


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Fractal420]
    #26723332 - 06/06/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hi all, real sorry to jump on this with my own problems, but seemed like the right place, this is only my second post so please let me know if that's not the way to do things and I'll sort it...

I'm a classic noob that's made classic mistakes (hangs head in shame) and am starting now on the right path with agar practice (not even using spores yet, just to make sure).

Just wanted to ask anyone about the first rye bag i started with MS, it was doing great but this last patch just won't colonize and is starting to look a little dry. Should I break it up again (feels like desperate measures) or just leave it and expect the worst? It's been going for about 5 weeks now at 26-27C, though the first few weeks it was cooooold.

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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: StickyBay]
    #26728771 - 06/08/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My rye bag is fully colonized ..I think. Last time I did this I just followed the instructions on the vendor site. I would like to do bulk. But I don’t dare, I’m afraid it won’t work. I’ve read tons on here. I’m on “information overload”. So can I put my bulk substrate in some sort of dish, mix


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Re: Rye bag looks dry [Re: Spkdwthpain]
    #26728774 - 06/08/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

In my spawn and then put in my sgfc?


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