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Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus * 1
    #26673312 - 05/15/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So i have some Trichs that are growing to large and hitting the lights.

I need to chop them.

Im basically just wondering whats the best way to harvest and process it so that I can store it until i want to consume it.

I was thinking just peel all the skin and dehydrate the skin and store in a air tight jar .?

Thoughts?

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus [Re: Luminous7]
    #26674279 - 05/16/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I cut mine into stars and dehydrated completely till cracker dry, then stored in Mason jars till ready for extraction

You pretty much hit the nail on the head :shrug:


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus [Re: Luminous7]
    #26674283 - 05/16/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Is there some part of the cactus you don't need? I have seen some videos and people said different things. Is the stuff in the outer skin or in the middle of the cactus?


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus [Re: LittleBoard]
    #26674296 - 05/16/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've always just despined and peeled the skin and used all parts of the cactus , I believe most of the alkaloids are in the outer most green flesh , definitely more bitter than the core :shrug:


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26674861 - 05/16/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26674885 - 05/16/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The term "skin" might be misleading for some.

Cacti do have a skin. A waxy hard layer, on the very outside, that can easily be peeled off (more or less easily lol). Cut out the spines /areoles before.

This skin is not active, and not meant to be consumed orally. Discard it.
When boiling tea though you don't have to peel it off, as you filter it out in the end anyway.

The alkaloids are in the flesh of the plant.
Under the skin there is a layer of less than half an inch or so with very dark green flesh. This is what you want to keep and eat. The majority of the alkaloids seems to be in the dark green.
The closer you come to the core of the plant the lighter and whiter the flesh gets. Eat this too, but you might not want to eat the core.

Some people call the dark green flesh also skin. Or everything but the core. But that's just confusing in my opinion.

When eating raw plants (just blend with some water and "drink") I use mostly the dark green flesh, and some of the white. I don't eat the core.
When boiling tea /tar, I use the whole plant, though. With skin and core. With short spined pachanois I sometimes even let the spines on.
Just chop into small chunks of half an inch and boil the heck out of it over several hours. Repeat with fresh water, combine liquids, filter well, reduce. Drink, or dry down to tar.
Use multiple cuttings at once to make a couple of homogenized doses in one go.

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26675599 - 05/16/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

prepare a tea then freeze it until ready for consumption


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: individualist] * 1
    #26676911 - 05/17/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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prepare a tea then freeze it until ready for consumption




:whathesaid:

I agree with this 100%.  If the tea is a larger amount than would be consumed as one dose, then you can always break the tea up into individual doses in empty plastic water bottles before freezing.  That way you just take one (or as many bottles as needed) out of the freezer and transfer to the fridge a few days before using.  A good thing about this approach is that any sediment in the tea will settle to the bottom of the bottle when the tea defrosts.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26679184 - 05/18/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the feed back guys.

I have read that using the inner white flesh causes more nausea and should be discarded?

Is there any good "teks" for making a tea? Or extraction?

Thanks again i appreciate the info. Im very new to san pedro but im excited to try it and i have some cacti that are ready for chopping.

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus [Re: LittleBoard]
    #26679204 - 05/18/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Is there some part of the cactus you don't need? I have seen some videos and people said different things. Is the stuff in the outer skin or in the middle of the cactus?



I have read that people discard the inner white pulp as it causes nausea like crazy.

But iv also seen videos of traditional Preparation and they seem to use the whole cactus for a long boil.

So im not really sure, i dont want to get stomach issues If it can be avoided, But i dont want to waste actives either.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus [Re: Luminous7]
    #26680893 - 05/19/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In traditional preparation I’ve heard once they remove the top foam of the brew which they say is where the epidermis/clear skin is and reduces nausea.

Tea and tar has been gentle on my stomach and I never removed the skin or foam and used the whole plant as well core and all. So I’m not sure. Much more work is needed so please experiment.

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7] * 1
    #26680994 - 05/19/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Luminous7 said:
I have read that using the inner white flesh causes more nausea and should be discarded?

Is there any good "teks" for making a tea? Or extraction?

:rastafarian:




That's not really true-- there's nothing in the lighter flesh that is more prone to cause nausea as long as it's properly filtered out of the end product-- and unless you had a lot of cactus and didn't care about wasting alks, I wouldn't be inclined to lose the alks that are in that flesh. Guesstimates are that up to 30% of the alks are in the white. Why toss that out unless you have good reason?

The best method for tea are the simplest really.
You want to thin slice/dice the cactus so that there's as much surface contact with the water as possible without actually blending it up-- which makes it impossible to strain out the clear juice as effectively.
I recommend no thicker than 1/8" (~2mm) slices.

The reason you cut up the flesh into very thin slices instead of blending it is that it makes extraction effective without making a sludge that's a bitch to filter well. No foam forms during the boil at all, and it still gets all the goods out.
I don't even remove the spines--  not worth the effort to remove to me.

Then just put a little white vinegar in the water to lower PH some (I prefer acetic acid to citrus because it boils off during the cook, where citric like from lemons stays in the brew making it substantially less palatable) and boil as long as you're willing.
I use a large stock pot and don't drain/replace water-- I just use a lot to start and keep topping the liquid while I'm brewing, adding vinegar again at the 12 hour mark to keep up acidity.

I slow boil for 20-24 hours usually. There are others that say it takes only several hours-- and maybe they're right. I go for maximum extraction though so I opt for long simmers.

Then as GF said you drain/strain the liquid into containers (or another pot to condense down to your chosen volume.) The advantage of having solid pieces is that when you're straining it out, you can squeeze the shit out of the plant matter like a sponge against the mesh of the strainer without the pasty sludge getting into the liquid-- i just press a large ladle against the mass so that the liquid runs out fully. You'll be left with nothing but a fist-sized hunk of dense plant flesh once you've wrenched out all the liquid.

It should be a brownish slightly syrupy consistency.
Let the liquid settle for at least a couple days if you want to allow settling out of the bits of flesh that are suspended in the solution-- that step will help you enormously in avoiding nausea, as that slimy particulate matter seems (in my experience) to be a strong contributor to nausea if it's in your drink.

Once it's clarified to your liking, then you're ready to drink. It is great to freeze for long-term storage in this form, and as GF said freezing can help clump the remaining particulates out so when it thaws you can sink more out-- but don't go too crazy worrying about getting it super clear. The majority of your unwanted gunk will settle out with gravity alone over a couple of days max.

I'll also repeat my advice to add very strong light-roasted coffee (up to 50% of your brew volume)-- it not only helps tremendously with the taste, but coffee is symbiotic with cactus brews. It will positively affect the experience (take care if you're unusually sensitive to caffeine though and scale % accordingly)

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
    #26681072 - 05/19/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You should just boof the whole cutting, that's what I do


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: mongo lloyd] * 1
    #26681083 - 05/19/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
    #26683205 - 05/20/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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coAsTal said:
Quote:

Luminous7 said:
I have read that using the inner white flesh causes more nausea and should be discarded?

Is there any good "teks" for making a tea? Or extraction?

:rastafarian:




That's not really true-- there's nothing in the lighter flesh that is more prone to cause nausea as long as it's properly filtered out of the end product-- and unless you had a lot of cactus and didn't care about wasting alks, I wouldn't be inclined to lose the alks that are in that flesh. Guesstimates are that up to 30% of the alks are in the white. Why toss that out unless you have good reason?

The best method for tea are the simplest really.
You want to thin slice/dice the cactus so that there's as much surface contact with the water as possible without actually blending it up-- which makes it impossible to strain out the clear juice as effectively.
I recommend no thicker than 1/8" (~2mm) slices.

The reason you cut up the flesh into very thin slices instead of blending it is that it makes extraction effective without making a sludge that's a bitch to filter well. No foam forms during the boil at all, and it still gets all the goods out.
I don't even remove the spines--  not worth the effort to remove to me.

Then just put a little white vinegar in the water to lower PH some (I prefer acetic acid to citrus because it boils off during the cook, where citric like from lemons stays in the brew making it substantially less palatable) and boil as long as you're willing.
I use a large stock pot and don't drain/replace water-- I just use a lot to start and keep topping the liquid while I'm brewing, adding vinegar again at the 12 hour mark to keep up acidity.

I slow boil for 20-24 hours usually. There are others that say it takes only several hours-- and maybe they're right. I go for maximum extraction though so I opt for long simmers.

Then as GF said you drain/strain the liquid into containers (or another pot to condense down to your chosen volume.) The advantage of having solid pieces is that when you're straining it out, you can squeeze the shit out of the plant matter like a sponge against the mesh of the strainer without the pasty sludge getting into the liquid-- i just press a large ladle against the mass so that the liquid runs out fully. You'll be left with nothing but a fist-sized hunk of dense plant flesh once you've wrenched out all the liquid.

It should be a brownish slightly syrupy consistency.
Let the liquid settle for at least a couple days if you want to allow settling out of the bits of flesh that are suspended in the solution-- that step will help you enormously in avoiding nausea, as that slimy particulate matter seems (in my experience) to be a strong contributor to nausea if it's in your drink.

Once it's clarified to your liking, then you're ready to drink. It is great to freeze for long-term storage in this form, and as GF said freezing can help clump the remaining particulates out so when it thaws you can sink more out-- but don't go too crazy worrying about getting it super clear. The majority of your unwanted gunk will settle out with gravity alone over a couple of days max.

I'll also repeat my advice to add very strong light-roasted coffee (up to 50% of your brew volume)-- it not only helps tremendously with the taste, but coffee is symbiotic with cactus brews. It will positively affect the experience (take care if you're unusually sensitive to caffeine though and scale % accordingly)

:cheers:




What a write up!  So much great info in there.

OP I used to eat the raw cactus as my primary way of consuming it.  On young tender cuttings I would eat everything except for the spines and clear skin.  On older mature cuttings I would do the same, but the core would usually be too fibrous and woody to eat.  There is nothing about the white flesh that would make me any sicker than the green flesh.  It tastes the same.  Go ahead and use the white flesh, especially if you're making tea or doing an extraction.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26683463 - 05/20/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I agree lots of good info in there

GreyFox, or anyone else, ever put coffee in?

I don't like coffee or mind the taste of the brew but just curious. I wouldn’t want more liquid to drink either


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Spicy]
    #26683530 - 05/20/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

re: the volume-- you can condense/steam reduce a brew down to as little as a half pint of you want to-- it's up to you how much water you remove. Keep in mind the more condensed it is the slimier it gets-- and the taste gets way stronger... so adding a cup of coffee (or whatever) still leaves a very low amount of liquid-- less than a pint. I prefer my final amount to be about a half quart total-- as a taste/volume balance that takes anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes to drink.

But if you don't like coffee, it wouldn't matter either way :wink:


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
    #26689385 - 05/22/20 11:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

coAsTal said:
Quote:

Luminous7 said:
I have read that using the inner white flesh causes more nausea and should be discarded?

Is there any good "teks" for making a tea? Or extraction?

:rastafarian:




That's not really true-- there's nothing in the lighter flesh that is more prone to cause nausea as long as it's properly filtered out of the end product-- and unless you had a lot of cactus and didn't care about wasting alks, I wouldn't be inclined to lose the alks that are in that flesh. Guesstimates are that up to 30% of the alks are in the white. Why toss that out unless you have good reason?

The best method for tea are the simplest really.
You want to thin slice/dice the cactus so that there's as much surface contact with the water as possible without actually blending it up-- which makes it impossible to strain out the clear juice as effectively.
I recommend no thicker than 1/8" (~2mm) slices.

The reason you cut up the flesh into very thin slices instead of blending it is that it makes extraction effective without making a sludge that's a bitch to filter well. No foam forms during the boil at all, and it still gets all the goods out.
I don't even remove the spines--  not worth the effort to remove to me.

Then just put a little white vinegar in the water to lower PH some (I prefer acetic acid to citrus because it boils off during the cook, where citric like from lemons stays in the brew making it substantially less palatable) and boil as long as you're willing.
I use a large stock pot and don't drain/replace water-- I just use a lot to start and keep topping the liquid while I'm brewing, adding vinegar again at the 12 hour mark to keep up acidity.

I slow boil for 20-24 hours usually. There are others that say it takes only several hours-- and maybe they're right. I go for maximum extraction though so I opt for long simmers.

Then as GF said you drain/strain the liquid into containers (or another pot to condense down to your chosen volume.) The advantage of having solid pieces is that when you're straining it out, you can squeeze the shit out of the plant matter like a sponge against the mesh of the strainer without the pasty sludge getting into the liquid-- i just press a large ladle against the mass so that the liquid runs out fully. You'll be left with nothing but a fist-sized hunk of dense plant flesh once you've wrenched out all the liquid.

It should be a brownish slightly syrupy consistency.
Let the liquid settle for at least a couple days if you want to allow settling out of the bits of flesh that are suspended in the solution-- that step will help you enormously in avoiding nausea, as that slimy particulate matter seems (in my experience) to be a strong contributor to nausea if it's in your drink.

Once it's clarified to your liking, then you're ready to drink. It is great to freeze for long-term storage in this form, and as GF said freezing can help clump the remaining particulates out so when it thaws you can sink more out-- but don't go too crazy worrying about getting it super clear. The majority of your unwanted gunk will settle out with gravity alone over a couple of days max.

I'll also repeat my advice to add very strong light-roasted coffee (up to 50% of your brew volume)-- it not only helps tremendously with the taste, but coffee is symbiotic with cactus brews. It will positively affect the experience (take care if you're unusually sensitive to caffeine though and scale % accordingly)

:cheers:




Hey thanks so much for all the info man. Much appreciated.

- Do you keep adding more white vinegar when topping the pot up as it cooks?
-When you let the particles setting in the final brew, do you just pour off the top clear brew to save and discard the last tiny bit with the gunk?

- and finally, can i cut into segments, dehydrate cracker dry for storage and use them in a few months in a brew?


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26689388 - 05/22/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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OP I used to eat the raw cactus as my primary way of consuming it.  On young tender cuttings I would eat everything except for the spines and clear skin.  On older mature cuttings I would do the same, but the core would usually be too fibrous and woody to eat.  There is nothing about the white flesh that would make me any sicker than the green flesh.  It tastes the same.  Go ahead and use the white flesh, especially if you're making tea or doing an extraction.










Awesome thank you

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26689391 - 05/22/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What about adding cacao?


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26689892 - 05/23/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey thanks so much for all the info man. Much appreciated.

- Do you keep adding more white vinegar when topping the pot up as it cooks?
-When you let the particles setting in the final brew, do you just pour off the top clear brew to save and discard the last tiny bit with the gunk?

- and finally, can i cut into segments, dehydrate cracker dry for storage and use them in a few months in a brew?




I usually only add vinegar about halfway through because I want to avoid having vinegar in the end product-- and yes, that's exactly what I do with the sediment- there's a layer maybe 1//2" thick at the bottom that I just leave in the jar-- you can't miss it-- it's opaque and slimy looking. Just pour off everything but that and discard it.

You can definitely use dry plant matter -- it would work just fine :goodluck:


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
    #26691316 - 05/23/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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coAsTal said:
Quote:

Luminous7 said:

Hey thanks so much for all the info man. Much appreciated.

- Do you keep adding more white vinegar when topping the pot up as it cooks?
-When you let the particles setting in the final brew, do you just pour off the top clear brew to save and discard the last tiny bit with the gunk?

- and finally, can i cut into segments, dehydrate cracker dry for storage and use them in a few months in a brew?




I usually only add vinegar about halfway through because I want to avoid having vinegar in the end product-- and yes, that's exactly what I do with the sediment- there's a layer maybe 1//2" thick at the bottom that I just leave in the jar-- you can't miss it-- it's opaque and slimy looking. Just pour off everything but that and discard it.

You can definitely use dry plant matter -- it would work just fine :goodluck:



Awesome, your very helpful. Much love!
Does the vinegar create the "proper" PH so more actives can be drawn into the water? what exactly is the purpose of the vinegar?

One last thing....

How much plant material for 1 person (  1 dose )

How can I guage maybe dry gram weight per dose?

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26691452 - 05/23/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Not really harvesting or preparing, I’ll get to that part hopefully.
Just want to know if this is San Pedro or not? I’m thinking it is.. 😁


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Vegemite]
    #26692128 - 05/24/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

L7-- the vinegar just makes the alk transfer into the liquid more efficient-- but it's not mandatory. You can use water only and get a good extraction, but the added acidity will make it more effective. I just use maybe an ounce in a gallon of water.

As far as dose is concerned, here you have the age-old question that's impossible to answer-- the dose depends on the plant. It's hard to say what is right unless you are using bridge or something that's known to have a common potency (and even those can be quite variable!).

There are some old fat (4"+ thick) Pach's that would rock you at 8", and others like the PC Pach that our new member above posted that would take 4 feet to produce barely threshold effects (if that).

Rule of thumb is 1 to 2 feet for Pach or Peru, 1 foot for Bridge or Scop (or the dried equivalent). This is so wildly variable based on the age and genetics of your exact plant though that it's really just a dice roll.

I had a 12" skinny bridge once send me to ecstatic heaven, and a fat 16" Pach/Peru hybrid that was a 4/10 experience.

Vegemite-- those are "PC" Pach-- known to be weak to the point of essentially inactive. If your only aim is to grow big plants, they're fast and hardy-- but they have almost no alks until they're really old and fat.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
    #26698058 - 05/26/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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L7-- the vinegar just makes the alk transfer into the liquid more efficient-- but it's not mandatory. You can use water only and get a good extraction, but the added acidity will make it more effective. I just use maybe an ounce in a gallon of water.

As far as dose is concerned, here you have the age-old question that's impossible to answer-- the dose depends on the plant. It's hard to say what is right unless you are using bridge or something that's known to have a common potency (and even those can be quite variable!).

There are some old fat (4"+ thick) Pach's that would rock you at 8", and others like the PC Pach that our new member above posted that would take 4 feet to produce barely threshold effects (if that).

Rule of thumb is 1 to 2 feet for Pach or Peru, 1 foot for Bridge or Scop (or the dried equivalent). This is so wildly variable based on the age and genetics of your exact plant though that it's really just a dice roll.

I had a 12" skinny bridge once send me to ecstatic heaven, and a fat 16" Pach/Peru hybrid that was a 4/10 experience.

Vegemite-- those are "PC" Pach-- known to be weak to the point of essentially inactive. If your only aim is to grow big plants, they're fast and hardy-- but they have almost no alks until they're really old and fat.



This is what im working with. Im told 1 or more maybe Peruvian Torch?

1 was a seed i got and was sold to me as pachanoi, and 1 was found at walmart and im pretty sure its a PC. 





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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26698926 - 05/27/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think you're going to have to try them out and let us know.  Those are beautiful cacti!  The 3 look like they have Peruvianus genetics, but they could be hybrids so its hard to say exactly.  They are on the thin side, so when people talk about using 12 or 24 inches of cactus, usually they are using thicker cuttings of cactus than that.  I'm not sure how much you want to cut any of those plants, but you could always try 18 inches worth of cactus as a starting point to see how it goes.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26699285 - 05/27/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:werd:

Also, no matter what you do you should seriously consider re-potting those plants into larger pots-- they are waaay ready for some additional dirt-space to grow, and they look very healthy, so it will surely help their girth to let the roots get hold of more nutes. You'll probably have to cut them soon anyway, as they won't be able to put on too much weight up top without breaking/falling over since they're so skinny.

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
    #26699716 - 05/27/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is why I think people should start with a 500 gram cutting. It’s so variable. Thick Pachanois can weigh 4 pounds per foot or some bridgesii at 400 grams per foot.


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    #26701241 - 05/28/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah its pretty crazy how much they can vary by thickness and weight.  18 inches is just a suggestion for a starting point where he might feel some effects but not have an experience that is too strong to start out with.  But its just my best guess based on those photos.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26702814 - 05/28/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely a good suggestion!

Do you have a favorite weight you like to consume?

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    #26704157 - 05/29/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I never weigh cuttings.  Honestly, I just ballpark the dosage based on the length and thickness of the cuttings. But I have a pretty good idea of how strong the different cacti are and how much to use for tea.


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    #26715098 - 06/02/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nice let us know! Safe journeys 🙏🏻

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Spicy]
    #26716217 - 06/03/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Frozen tea will stay good for months.  I'm not sure what the maximum time is that it can be stored that way.  But 6 months is no problem.  Just move the tea to the fridge a few days in advance so that it can defrost.  Its a good idea to separate the tea into individual doses before freezing it.


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    #26722469 - 06/05/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I knooww.. :frown:  Ive been feeling bummed that I cant give them a better life, although they are very healthy and grow very fast, i do not have much room for them to get big. I suppose I will re pot after chopping them in half, then re pot the base. And continue to do the cutting and re potting as nessecary as they keep groiwing up to the lights . These suckers grow so damn fast, i had to move the light up several times, and After I repotted them once, in like a couple weeks time they grew 6-9 inches and were hitting the light again LOL

When you guys are talking weight of cactus material, is that dry or fresh?

I will be dehydrating the portions I cut and making tea when im ready ( weeks maybe months from cut date)
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    #26722471 - 06/05/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Essentially can I just keep chopping them, Letting them pup out , grow til it hits the lights, then chop that pup off and continue?

I have them outside in the summer times to usually, but need to bring them in each winter.


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    #26723589 - 06/06/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I will be dehydrating the portions I cut and making tea when im ready ( weeks maybe months from cut date)






Another option would be to take cuttings and then let them age for weeks or a few months.  That way the cuttings will become more potent.  They can live for a really long time.  And then you can make tea from living cuttings instead of dehydrated pieces.


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    #26727160 - 06/07/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I will be dehydrating the portions I cut and making tea when im ready ( weeks maybe months from cut date)






Another option would be to take cuttings and then let them age for weeks or a few months.  That way the cuttings will become more potent.  They can live for a really long time.  And then you can make tea from living cuttings instead of dehydrated pieces.



Interesting idea!

SHould I be concerned about the cuttings molding as they will hold all the water for a long time?

Also should they be stored anywhere specific while being aged? ( frigde?)

I may do this thanks for mentioning. Ill prob end up dehydrating them anyway after ageing but at least they will be more potent. I have been sort of rehydrating the ones I plan to cut I read this make them more potent aswell.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26728368 - 06/08/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have had good success by just storing cuttings indoors at room temperature.  I keep them away from sunlight, but I don't store them in complete darkness (although many others do).  They can last many months like that.  And they are still alive.  You can plant them and they will still grow.  Thats the main reason that I dont keep them in complete darkness.  If I ever change my mind and decide to plant the cutting instead then it isn't too messed up from being in the dark for a long time.

By storing the cuttings for awhile they become skinnier.  And they get stronger too.  My preference is to brew tea from living cuttings, so I have never bothered with taking the additional step of dehydrating.  Also I think that you will get the highest quality tea from using live cactus.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26728810 - 06/08/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I have had good success by just storing cuttings indoors at room temperature.  I keep them away from sunlight, but I don't store them in complete darkness (although many others do).  They can last many months like that.  And they are still alive.  You can plant them and they will still grow.  Thats the main reason that I dont keep them in complete darkness.  If I ever change my mind and decide to plant the cutting instead then it isn't too messed up from being in the dark for a long time.

By storing the cuttings for awhile they become skinnier.  And they get stronger too.  My preference is to brew tea from living cuttings, so I have never bothered with taking the additional step of dehydrating.  Also I think that you will get the highest quality tea from using live cactus.



Right on . I guess ill take all this knowledge and apply it. Ill make sure to report back once i have had the experience. Im pretty excited and nervous.

Should i wrap the cuttings in cloth or paper towel during ageing?  I would also assume they would need good air flow ventilation to prevent mold?

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26728950 - 06/08/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You dont have to wrap them in anything.  Good airflow is important early on when the callus is forming.  After the callus is fully formed then the cutting should be pretty bullet proof but continued good airflow cant hurt.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26731061 - 06/09/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Another option would be to take cuttings and then let them age for weeks or a few months.  That way the cuttings will become more potent.  They can live for a really long time.  And then you can make tea from living cuttings instead of dehydrated pieces.





The cacti will start to produce more alkaloids after it’s been cut?


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: CosmicGiggle]
    #26731081 - 06/09/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The consensus belief is that cactus produce extra alks when stressed-- but nobody has hard evidence of it. "Darking" your cut for an extended period after cutting does seem to have a lot of anecdotal proof of strengthening the alk content, which is why people advocate storing cuts in a dark place for a month or more prior to brewing.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: CosmicGiggle]
    #26731083 - 06/09/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's not scientifially proven yet, but my experience shows that cuttings that lay on it's side for several months can become insanely potent overtime.

My strongest trip so far was from a small tiny bridgesii tipcutting (8 inches) that was wrapped in a towel laying on it's side for a year or so. It grew roots all over it's side and tasted ultra bitter, could hardly get it down raw.
Totally visual experience. Easily comparable to 250mics of lsd. I couldn't see straight, everything swirled in a vortex style and colors were switching any second for hours. Really strong. :laugh:


My guess is the alkaloids act as defence mechanism for the plant. Bitter alkaloids taste bad for enemies. The plant is the most vulnerable at its bottom where it touches the ground.
A cactus cutting feels when it lays on the side, hence why roots grow all up the side. The cactus might put all it's energy into alkaoid production, because it's all on the ground, very vulnerable.
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    #26734622 - 06/10/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It's not scientifially proven yet, but my experience shows that cuttings that lay on it's side for several months can become insanely potent overtime.

My strongest trip so far was from a small tiny bridgesii tipcutting (8 inches) that was wrapped in a towel laying on it's side for a year or so. It grew roots all over it's side and tasted ultra bitter, could hardly get it down raw.
Totally visual experience. Easily comparable to 250mics of lsd. I couldn't see straight, everything swirled in a vortex style and colors were switching any second for hours. Really strong. :laugh:


My guess is the alkaloids act as defence mechanism for the plant. Bitter alkaloids taste bad for enemies. The plant is the most vulnerable at its bottom where it touches the ground.
A cactus cutting feels when it lays on the side, hence why roots grow all up the side. The cactus might put all it's energy into alkaoid production, because it's all on the ground, very vulnerable.
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    #26734625 - 06/10/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Big thank you to everyone on my thread here who took the time to offer me your information.

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    #26735108 - 06/10/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That is very interesting. I’ve never tried cactus, but based on the fact that everyone says it’s like drinking sewage, I think I’d prefer to get pure mescaline. Or at least try an extraction. Only had access to synthetic mesc once Like a decade ago and it was ridiculously expensive so I passed on it. May have to order a cutting and see if my feelings change while it grows.

Have any of you tried Actual peyote? Would be cool to have, not to eat, just for the novelty.

So if I were to order a cutting, what do you experienced users recommend?
- Trichocereus Pachanoi (San Pedro)
-Trichocereus Peruvianus (Peruvian Torch)
-Trichocereus Bridgesii (Bolivian Torch)

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Did I get the names right?
I know someone said on the last page that they felt Bridgesii was more potent than San Pedro. Do others feel this way too?
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    #26735119 - 06/10/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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That is very interesting. I’ve never tried cactus, but based on the fact that everyone says it’s like drinking sewage, I think I’d prefer to get pure mescaline. Or at least try an extraction. Only had access to synthetic mesc once Like a decade ago and it was ridiculously expensive so I passed on it. May have to order a cutting and see if my feelings change while it grows.

Have any of you tried Actual peyote? Would be cool to have, not to eat, just for the novelty.

So if I were to order a cutting, what do you experienced users recommend?
- Trichocereus Pachanoi (San Pedro)
-Trichocereus Peruvianus (Peruvian Torch)
-Trichocereus Bridgesii (Bolivian Torch)

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Did I get the names right?
I know someone said on the last page that they felt Bridgesii was more potent than San Pedro. Do others feel this way too?
I’m gonna order some cuttings this weekend...I’m sure I’ll get em all eventually, but curious what you feel is the best?



Get one of each? Im kinda stoked to try all my dif ones, they prob each hold their own uniqueness.

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    #26735662 - 06/10/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Should the spines be removed for the "ageing" process?

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    #26736106 - 06/11/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Clipping them for easier storage is fine.
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    #26748525 - 06/16/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Clipping them for easier storage is fine.
I wouldn't fully remove the spines until you're ready to process the plant...




What exacttly do you mean by "clipping"?

Im cutting today. Ive been putting it off for to long, I had them outside in the sun for a few days and 2 are developing sun burnt tips ( white scortching)

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26748554 - 06/16/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Clip them off with some pliers, or a side cutter.

Just clip off, don't pull nor cut them out. Doesn't hurt the plant. Like clipping your fingernails.

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    #26748603 - 06/16/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Clip them off with some pliers, or a side cutter.

Just clip off, don't pull nor cut them out. Doesn't hurt the plant. Like clipping your fingernails.

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    #26748661 - 06/16/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The deed has been done!

Labelled and stored for future use.

I did notice a black spot on one of the tips? Should this rotting spot be removed before long term storage?

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    #26751484 - 06/17/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I would leave that black spot it should be fine just keep a fan around them while the cuts callous and it’ll dry just fine

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    #26753630 - 06/18/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I would leave that black spot it should be fine just keep a fan around them while the cuts callous and it’ll dry just fine

Or in the sun and wind they will dry very fast



I carefully sliced the black off already . I think it will just calus over and be fine . Of I see it start rotting or anything I'll chuck it in the dehydrator or just boil it and freeze the tea.


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    #26753712 - 06/18/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hi,

Interesting thread.  I've been working with huachuma for a few years and have friends in Peru who harvest large quantities.  They use a dehydrator and then a coffee grinder to grind the dried cactus to a fine green powder.  This stores well in the freezer.

I have some which is about 2 years old and still potent.

The benefit of powdering it, is once you know your dose (approx one heaped table spoon for most people),  you can easily measure for consistent dosing.

We tend to stir up the powder in about a pint of water and chug it down.  You can't leave it long as it quickly turns gloopy / snotty.  Much better to get it down you while it's a bit gritty / sandy.  Not the most pleasant beverage, but that's par for the course with plant medicines! :tongue:

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    #26753805 - 06/18/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Here's a few pics from a trip to the Sacred Valley, Peru. 

We prepped these 3 cactus for our brew.  One of the pedro's was a rare and powerful 9 ribbed 'grandfather'.

Needless to say the medicine was potent and made for an incredible few days of journeying in the mountains.

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    #26755930 - 06/18/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The deed has been done!

Labelled and stored for future use.

I did notice a black spot on one of the tips? Should this rotting spot be removed before long term storage?

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    #26756658 - 06/19/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I was taught that you re-plant the bottom 6 inches, the same way it was originally in the ground.  Am sure both methods work though.

Here's a couple of pics of ones we replanted in the mountains. :smile:

Mr P :smile:



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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: mrpharmacist]
    #26758845 - 06/20/20 12:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thats so beautiful! Thanks so much for sharing
so with your method , you do not apply any sort of heat to the brew? its consumed dry and raw? That sounds a whole lot easier than boiling for hours and hours.  :cactus:


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26758894 - 06/20/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The way they prepare it is they chop up the raw cactus into fairly small, thin slices and then put into the dehydrator.  Once all the pieces are nicely dried they coffee grind it to a fine green powder.

This makes it easy to store long term (freezer) and is handy for shipping.  You could then take the powder and turn it into a brew with heat and water, but once you reconstitute it will get fairly gloopy / snotty!  Better to just stir the raw dry powder into water and knock it back quick!  It's very effective consumed this way.

Here are a few pics of the powder.  This is medicine from Peru, harvest and prepared by the locals using the method described.

Mr P :smile:

Straight from the freezer



Heaped table spoon - full dose



2-3 doses in bag



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