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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
#26728950 - 06/08/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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You dont have to wrap them in anything. Good airflow is important early on when the callus is forming. After the callus is fully formed then the cutting should be pretty bullet proof but continued good airflow cant hurt.
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
#26731061 - 06/09/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grey Fox said: Another option would be to take cuttings and then let them age for weeks or a few months. That way the cuttings will become more potent. They can live for a really long time. And then you can make tea from living cuttings instead of dehydrated pieces.
The cacti will start to produce more alkaloids after it’s been cut?
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: CosmicGiggle]
#26731081 - 06/09/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The consensus belief is that cactus produce extra alks when stressed-- but nobody has hard evidence of it. "Darking" your cut for an extended period after cutting does seem to have a lot of anecdotal proof of strengthening the alk content, which is why people advocate storing cuts in a dark place for a month or more prior to brewing.
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: CosmicGiggle]
#26731083 - 06/09/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not scientifially proven yet, but my experience shows that cuttings that lay on it's side for several months can become insanely potent overtime.
My strongest trip so far was from a small tiny bridgesii tipcutting (8 inches) that was wrapped in a towel laying on it's side for a year or so. It grew roots all over it's side and tasted ultra bitter, could hardly get it down raw. Totally visual experience. Easily comparable to 250mics of lsd. I couldn't see straight, everything swirled in a vortex style and colors were switching any second for hours. Really strong. 
My guess is the alkaloids act as defence mechanism for the plant. Bitter alkaloids taste bad for enemies. The plant is the most vulnerable at its bottom where it touches the ground. A cactus cutting feels when it lays on the side, hence why roots grow all up the side. The cactus might put all it's energy into alkaoid production, because it's all on the ground, very vulnerable.

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Pandemoon]
#26734622 - 06/10/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: It's not scientifially proven yet, but my experience shows that cuttings that lay on it's side for several months can become insanely potent overtime.
My strongest trip so far was from a small tiny bridgesii tipcutting (8 inches) that was wrapped in a towel laying on it's side for a year or so. It grew roots all over it's side and tasted ultra bitter, could hardly get it down raw. Totally visual experience. Easily comparable to 250mics of lsd. I couldn't see straight, everything swirled in a vortex style and colors were switching any second for hours. Really strong. 
My guess is the alkaloids act as defence mechanism for the plant. Bitter alkaloids taste bad for enemies. The plant is the most vulnerable at its bottom where it touches the ground. A cactus cutting feels when it lays on the side, hence why roots grow all up the side. The cactus might put all it's energy into alkaoid production, because it's all on the ground, very vulnerable.

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Whoa thats very interesting! I will be doing this for sure.
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7] 1
#26734625 - 06/10/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Big thank you to everyone on my thread here who took the time to offer me your information.
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
#26735108 - 06/10/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That is very interesting. I’ve never tried cactus, but based on the fact that everyone says it’s like drinking sewage, I think I’d prefer to get pure mescaline. Or at least try an extraction. Only had access to synthetic mesc once Like a decade ago and it was ridiculously expensive so I passed on it. May have to order a cutting and see if my feelings change while it grows.
Have any of you tried Actual peyote? Would be cool to have, not to eat, just for the novelty.
So if I were to order a cutting, what do you experienced users recommend? - Trichocereus Pachanoi (San Pedro) -Trichocereus Peruvianus (Peruvian Torch) -Trichocereus Bridgesii (Bolivian Torch)
?? Did I get the names right? I know someone said on the last page that they felt Bridgesii was more potent than San Pedro. Do others feel this way too? I’m gonna order some cuttings this weekend...I’m sure I’ll get em all eventually, but curious what you feel is the best?
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: CosmicGiggle]
#26735119 - 06/10/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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CosmicGiggle said: That is very interesting. I’ve never tried cactus, but based on the fact that everyone says it’s like drinking sewage, I think I’d prefer to get pure mescaline. Or at least try an extraction. Only had access to synthetic mesc once Like a decade ago and it was ridiculously expensive so I passed on it. May have to order a cutting and see if my feelings change while it grows.
Have any of you tried Actual peyote? Would be cool to have, not to eat, just for the novelty.
So if I were to order a cutting, what do you experienced users recommend? - Trichocereus Pachanoi (San Pedro) -Trichocereus Peruvianus (Peruvian Torch) -Trichocereus Bridgesii (Bolivian Torch)
?? Did I get the names right? I know someone said on the last page that they felt Bridgesii was more potent than San Pedro. Do others feel this way too? I’m gonna order some cuttings this weekend...I’m sure I’ll get em all eventually, but curious what you feel is the best?
Get one of each? Im kinda stoked to try all my dif ones, they prob each hold their own uniqueness.
Also, if I posted some Clear concise pictures of my strains , could some of you pros potentially ID them for me? lol.
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
#26735662 - 06/10/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Should the spines be removed for the "ageing" process?
Or will this create more wounds on the organism for mold or contams to enter?
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
#26736106 - 06/11/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Clipping them for easier storage is fine. I wouldn't fully remove the spines until you're ready to process the plant...
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
#26748525 - 06/16/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: Clipping them for easier storage is fine. I wouldn't fully remove the spines until you're ready to process the plant...
What exacttly do you mean by "clipping"?
Im cutting today. Ive been putting it off for to long, I had them outside in the sun for a few days and 2 are developing sun burnt tips ( white scortching)
So I think its time.
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
#26748554 - 06/16/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Clip them off with some pliers, or a side cutter.
Just clip off, don't pull nor cut them out. Doesn't hurt the plant. Like clipping your fingernails.
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Pandemoon]
#26748603 - 06/16/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Clip them off with some pliers, or a side cutter.
Just clip off, don't pull nor cut them out. Doesn't hurt the plant. Like clipping your fingernails.
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
#26748661 - 06/16/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The deed has been done!
Labelled and stored for future use.
I did notice a black spot on one of the tips? Should this rotting spot be removed before long term storage?
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#26748713 - 06/16/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would cut that rot off for sure
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
#26750621 - 06/17/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good info... Thanks y'all!
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Staplerhead]
#26751484 - 06/17/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would leave that black spot it should be fine just keep a fan around them while the cuts callous and it’ll dry just fine
Or in the sun and wind they will dry very fast
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Spicy]
#26753630 - 06/18/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spicy said: I would leave that black spot it should be fine just keep a fan around them while the cuts callous and it’ll dry just fine
Or in the sun and wind they will dry very fast
I carefully sliced the black off already . I think it will just calus over and be fine . Of I see it start rotting or anything I'll chuck it in the dehydrator or just boil it and freeze the tea.
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
#26753712 - 06/18/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi,
Interesting thread. I've been working with huachuma for a few years and have friends in Peru who harvest large quantities. They use a dehydrator and then a coffee grinder to grind the dried cactus to a fine green powder. This stores well in the freezer.
I have some which is about 2 years old and still potent.
The benefit of powdering it, is once you know your dose (approx one heaped table spoon for most people), you can easily measure for consistent dosing.
We tend to stir up the powder in about a pint of water and chug it down. You can't leave it long as it quickly turns gloopy / snotty. Much better to get it down you while it's a bit gritty / sandy. Not the most pleasant beverage, but that's par for the course with plant medicines! 
I'll post a pic of the powder when I get a moment.
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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: mrpharmacist]
#26753805 - 06/18/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here's a few pics from a trip to the Sacred Valley, Peru.
We prepped these 3 cactus for our brew. One of the pedro's was a rare and powerful 9 ribbed 'grandfather'.
Needless to say the medicine was potent and made for an incredible few days of journeying in the mountains.
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