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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26689892 - 05/23/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey thanks so much for all the info man. Much appreciated.

- Do you keep adding more white vinegar when topping the pot up as it cooks?
-When you let the particles setting in the final brew, do you just pour off the top clear brew to save and discard the last tiny bit with the gunk?

- and finally, can i cut into segments, dehydrate cracker dry for storage and use them in a few months in a brew?




I usually only add vinegar about halfway through because I want to avoid having vinegar in the end product-- and yes, that's exactly what I do with the sediment- there's a layer maybe 1//2" thick at the bottom that I just leave in the jar-- you can't miss it-- it's opaque and slimy looking. Just pour off everything but that and discard it.

You can definitely use dry plant matter -- it would work just fine :goodluck:


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
    #26691316 - 05/23/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey thanks so much for all the info man. Much appreciated.

- Do you keep adding more white vinegar when topping the pot up as it cooks?
-When you let the particles setting in the final brew, do you just pour off the top clear brew to save and discard the last tiny bit with the gunk?

- and finally, can i cut into segments, dehydrate cracker dry for storage and use them in a few months in a brew?




I usually only add vinegar about halfway through because I want to avoid having vinegar in the end product-- and yes, that's exactly what I do with the sediment- there's a layer maybe 1//2" thick at the bottom that I just leave in the jar-- you can't miss it-- it's opaque and slimy looking. Just pour off everything but that and discard it.

You can definitely use dry plant matter -- it would work just fine :goodluck:



Awesome, your very helpful. Much love!
Does the vinegar create the "proper" PH so more actives can be drawn into the water? what exactly is the purpose of the vinegar?

One last thing....

How much plant material for 1 person (  1 dose )

How can I guage maybe dry gram weight per dose?

Thanks again so much. <3


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26691452 - 05/23/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Not really harvesting or preparing, Iโ€™ll get to that part hopefully.
Just want to know if this is San Pedro or not? Iโ€™m thinking it is.. ๐Ÿ˜


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Vegemite]
    #26692128 - 05/24/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

L7-- the vinegar just makes the alk transfer into the liquid more efficient-- but it's not mandatory. You can use water only and get a good extraction, but the added acidity will make it more effective. I just use maybe an ounce in a gallon of water.

As far as dose is concerned, here you have the age-old question that's impossible to answer-- the dose depends on the plant. It's hard to say what is right unless you are using bridge or something that's known to have a common potency (and even those can be quite variable!).

There are some old fat (4"+ thick) Pach's that would rock you at 8", and others like the PC Pach that our new member above posted that would take 4 feet to produce barely threshold effects (if that).

Rule of thumb is 1 to 2 feet for Pach or Peru, 1 foot for Bridge or Scop (or the dried equivalent). This is so wildly variable based on the age and genetics of your exact plant though that it's really just a dice roll.

I had a 12" skinny bridge once send me to ecstatic heaven, and a fat 16" Pach/Peru hybrid that was a 4/10 experience.

Vegemite-- those are "PC" Pach-- known to be weak to the point of essentially inactive. If your only aim is to grow big plants, they're fast and hardy-- but they have almost no alks until they're really old and fat.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
    #26698058 - 05/26/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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L7-- the vinegar just makes the alk transfer into the liquid more efficient-- but it's not mandatory. You can use water only and get a good extraction, but the added acidity will make it more effective. I just use maybe an ounce in a gallon of water.

As far as dose is concerned, here you have the age-old question that's impossible to answer-- the dose depends on the plant. It's hard to say what is right unless you are using bridge or something that's known to have a common potency (and even those can be quite variable!).

There are some old fat (4"+ thick) Pach's that would rock you at 8", and others like the PC Pach that our new member above posted that would take 4 feet to produce barely threshold effects (if that).

Rule of thumb is 1 to 2 feet for Pach or Peru, 1 foot for Bridge or Scop (or the dried equivalent). This is so wildly variable based on the age and genetics of your exact plant though that it's really just a dice roll.

I had a 12" skinny bridge once send me to ecstatic heaven, and a fat 16" Pach/Peru hybrid that was a 4/10 experience.

Vegemite-- those are "PC" Pach-- known to be weak to the point of essentially inactive. If your only aim is to grow big plants, they're fast and hardy-- but they have almost no alks until they're really old and fat.



This is what im working with. Im told 1 or more maybe Peruvian Torch?

1 was a seed i got and was sold to me as pachanoi, and 1 was found at walmart and im pretty sure its a PC. 





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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26698926 - 05/27/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think you're going to have to try them out and let us know.  Those are beautiful cacti!  The 3 look like they have Peruvianus genetics, but they could be hybrids so its hard to say exactly.  They are on the thin side, so when people talk about using 12 or 24 inches of cactus, usually they are using thicker cuttings of cactus than that.  I'm not sure how much you want to cut any of those plants, but you could always try 18 inches worth of cactus as a starting point to see how it goes.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26699285 - 05/27/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:werd:

Also, no matter what you do you should seriously consider re-potting those plants into larger pots-- they are waaay ready for some additional dirt-space to grow, and they look very healthy, so it will surely help their girth to let the roots get hold of more nutes. You'll probably have to cut them soon anyway, as they won't be able to put on too much weight up top without breaking/falling over since they're so skinny.

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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
    #26699716 - 05/27/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is why I think people should start with a 500 gram cutting. Itโ€™s so variable. Thick Pachanois can weigh 4 pounds per foot or some bridgesii at 400 grams per foot.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Spicy]
    #26701241 - 05/28/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah its pretty crazy how much they can vary by thickness and weight.  18 inches is just a suggestion for a starting point where he might feel some effects but not have an experience that is too strong to start out with.  But its just my best guess based on those photos.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26702814 - 05/28/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely a good suggestion!

Do you have a favorite weight you like to consume?

Im still figuring out my sweet spot, usually around 1000 grams, whole plant.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Spicy] * 1
    #26704157 - 05/29/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I never weigh cuttings.  Honestly, I just ballpark the dosage based on the length and thickness of the cuttings. But I have a pretty good idea of how strong the different cacti are and how much to use for tea.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26715098 - 06/02/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nice let us know! Safe journeys ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป

Never froze tea before GF, itโ€™ll stay good?


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Spicy]
    #26716217 - 06/03/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Frozen tea will stay good for months.  I'm not sure what the maximum time is that it can be stored that way.  But 6 months is no problem.  Just move the tea to the fridge a few days in advance so that it can defrost.  Its a good idea to separate the tea into individual doses before freezing it.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26722469 - 06/05/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I knooww.. :frown:  Ive been feeling bummed that I cant give them a better life, although they are very healthy and grow very fast, i do not have much room for them to get big. I suppose I will re pot after chopping them in half, then re pot the base. And continue to do the cutting and re potting as nessecary as they keep groiwing up to the lights . These suckers grow so damn fast, i had to move the light up several times, and After I repotted them once, in like a couple weeks time they grew 6-9 inches and were hitting the light again LOL

When you guys are talking weight of cactus material, is that dry or fresh?

I will be dehydrating the portions I cut and making tea when im ready ( weeks maybe months from cut date)
Im sure this will make it harder to dose if the material is dry. Would assume the cacti material will be MUCH more potent grab for grab if its cracker dry.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26722471 - 06/05/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Essentially can I just keep chopping them, Letting them pup out , grow til it hits the lights, then chop that pup off and continue?

I have them outside in the summer times to usually, but need to bring them in each winter.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26723589 - 06/06/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I will be dehydrating the portions I cut and making tea when im ready ( weeks maybe months from cut date)






Another option would be to take cuttings and then let them age for weeks or a few months.  That way the cuttings will become more potent.  They can live for a really long time.  And then you can make tea from living cuttings instead of dehydrated pieces.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26727160 - 06/07/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I will be dehydrating the portions I cut and making tea when im ready ( weeks maybe months from cut date)






Another option would be to take cuttings and then let them age for weeks or a few months.  That way the cuttings will become more potent.  They can live for a really long time.  And then you can make tea from living cuttings instead of dehydrated pieces.



Interesting idea!

SHould I be concerned about the cuttings molding as they will hold all the water for a long time?

Also should they be stored anywhere specific while being aged? ( frigde?)

I may do this thanks for mentioning. Ill prob end up dehydrating them anyway after ageing but at least they will be more potent. I have been sort of rehydrating the ones I plan to cut I read this make them more potent aswell.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26727375 - 06/07/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Dehydrating ***


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Luminous7]
    #26728368 - 06/08/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have had good success by just storing cuttings indoors at room temperature.  I keep them away from sunlight, but I don't store them in complete darkness (although many others do).  They can last many months like that.  And they are still alive.  You can plant them and they will still grow.  Thats the main reason that I dont keep them in complete darkness.  If I ever change my mind and decide to plant the cutting instead then it isn't too messed up from being in the dark for a long time.

By storing the cuttings for awhile they become skinnier.  And they get stronger too.  My preference is to brew tea from living cuttings, so I have never bothered with taking the additional step of dehydrating.  Also I think that you will get the highest quality tea from using live cactus.


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Re: Harvesting / Preparing San pedro cactus (moved) [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26728810 - 06/08/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I have had good success by just storing cuttings indoors at room temperature.  I keep them away from sunlight, but I don't store them in complete darkness (although many others do).  They can last many months like that.  And they are still alive.  You can plant them and they will still grow.  Thats the main reason that I dont keep them in complete darkness.  If I ever change my mind and decide to plant the cutting instead then it isn't too messed up from being in the dark for a long time.

By storing the cuttings for awhile they become skinnier.  And they get stronger too.  My preference is to brew tea from living cuttings, so I have never bothered with taking the additional step of dehydrating.  Also I think that you will get the highest quality tea from using live cactus.



Right on . I guess ill take all this knowledge and apply it. Ill make sure to report back once i have had the experience. Im pretty excited and nervous.

Should i wrap the cuttings in cloth or paper towel during ageing?  I would also assume they would need good air flow ventilation to prevent mold?

Thanks again!

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