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What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) * 1
    #26672721 - 05/15/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I had enough to eat 18 grams wet, right about the dosage i got many years ago dry (1.7)

I was expecting them to taste bad but they weren't at all. I've never liked mushrooms but recently after getting into this hobby i decided i was going to try them again and found the babybell mushrooms tasted pretty good raw. These had a similar mushroom taste but there was a little bit of floral flavor. I ate roughly 10 or so caps and stems over the course of 5-10 minutes like a snack.
I started to feel them surprisingly quick, I had set my alarm for 30 minutes and it didn't go off yet :wink:

I'm guessing i was around level 1 or 2. Its been 10 years since i had any. I started taking lexapro a year ago for anxiety so not sure if it lessened the experience.  Basically just very happy, music was noticeably better. Had some what racing thoughts like what i should be doing or thinking about kept changing. Just looking at stuff on the computer, Then i noticed the text moving in areas.
Columns of organized listings started moving like gentle breathing and i did feel more connected with everything. Not too much of a body buzz and i could still function mostly normally.

That was about it, lasted maybe 3 hours. I think i'm going to double my next dose. Any thoughts?


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26672725 - 05/15/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That sounds about right for 1.7g

Doubling your dose will most likely get you way further out there, lexapro can definitely lessen the effects too.

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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: oculodextro]
    #26673335 - 05/15/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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That sounds about right for 1.7g

Doubling your dose will most likely get you way further out there, lexapro can definitely lessen the effects too.

Be careful serotonin syndrome is a real thing




I've seen this warning on most of the meds i take, including 2 others for pain management but i no longer take both and just hydrocodone occasionally.
None of my doctors have brought up 'serotonin syndrome' and even after reading about symptoms im still not exactly sure what im supposed to be looking out for or how at risk i actually am.

I was also considering maybe 25g dose but i'm not sure if it would make a difference from the first.  probably toke about .7gram a day as well and have had no issues with large dose edibles.

also the mushroom dosage i had kinda gave me the 'i should take this much every night' feeling :mushroom2: :crazy2:


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26673380 - 05/15/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'd stay with a similar dose and change up the setting a bit.

Try and get a nice spot outside or a comfy spot on your couch without distraction.

The normality of you sitting and looking at your computer screen would imo be not all that conducive for the experience.

At the end of the day it's whatever makes you feel comfortable so if that's good for you no worries but a little change in setting can have a big change on outcomes.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: pineninja]
    #26673862 - 05/16/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe you could work your way off the lexapro

I think going up to 3g or 3.5g sounds good if you want a stronger experience


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: oculodextro]
    #26673900 - 05/16/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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That sounds about right for 1.7g

Doubling your dose will most likely get you way further out there, lexapro can definitely lessen the effects too.

Be careful serotonin syndrome is a real thing



Sorry for my colourful language, but the following needs to be said to stop the spread of harmful misinformation: SEROTONIN SYNDROME HAS FUCK ALL TO DO WITH PSILOCYBIN.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26674235 - 05/16/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

more so LSD? or are all the articles false?

More so mimics serotonin then floods it?


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: oculodextro]
    #26674314 - 05/16/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mixed messages which after a certain amount of times being repeated then become fact! The truth is there is only a risk of serotonin syndrome if an MAOI is involved. Psilocin acts to block the 5HT-2a receptors, just like your typical SSRI. Rather then psilocin and SSRIs being a dangerous combination, they actually both work to stop each other working, because they both block the same brain receptors.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26674374 - 05/16/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks, gotta get that fact out of my head. Still should stop the SSRI to achieve full effects, if you can get away with stopping psych meds.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: oculodextro]
    #26674659 - 05/16/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like a typical level 1.

Not sure what your experience level is with higher doses but it gets so much more interesting and powerful at the higher levels.  I agree with doubling the dose next time, and have some weed handy to take once the peak plateaus, if you feel like you'd like a little extra boost.  It adds a full level to the experience.  Stick with the sativas, the cerebral effects of the sativa are what really meshes well with the psilo.  Indicas run the risk of adding to your body load while not enhancing the head space of the trip nearly as much


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26674888 - 05/16/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Agreed, double that.  That's the sort of fresh dose I use to test PE potency, i.e., a threshold effect.  From it you can tell pretty much what the full blown trip will be like and what dosage to shoot for.  Through experience anyway. :cookiemonster:


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: individualist]
    #26674969 - 05/16/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sounds like a typical level 1.

Not sure what your experience level is with higher doses but it gets so much more interesting and powerful at the higher levels.  I agree with doubling the dose next time, and have some weed handy to take once the peak plateaus, if you feel like you'd like a little extra boost.  It adds a full level to the experience.  Stick with the sativas, the cerebral effects of the sativa are what really meshes well with the psilo.  Indicas run the risk of adding to your body load while not enhancing the head space of the trip nearly as much




I agree 100% about the weed except about the sativa vs indica.

Thats interesting you say that because i will only smoke an indica and hate the way sativa meshes with lsd or mushrooms


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #26674985 - 05/16/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’ll have to give it a second go with Indica I guess.

It’s just that I have a formula that has not once let me down.

3-4 grams rue, 8 gram cube tea, and two big hits of sativa vape oil right after the peak.  Do this no more often than every three months though every three cycles you can cheat once and do it again within a week or two.

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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: individualist]
    #26674990 - 05/16/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Holy shit that's a huge dose of mush with the rue


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26675119 - 05/16/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would go 25-30 grams fresh next time. Sounds like a pretty good first time. Now you have a great sense of how to dose the strain according to the specific bio-factors of your own body :yesnod:


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: oculodextro]
    #26675123 - 05/16/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Pretty intense go

Do you explore with dmt as well?

That is definitely a powerful mushroom experience

I just like indica because it relaxes me and has more of a grounding effect when sativa seems to be like putting my trip on crack, very energetic feel to it

A few times smoking sativa it just wasnt enjoyable to mix, but im sure this varies person to person

Im getting ready to do some extractions here soon and plan to get some harmala together. Interested to see how it goes with a mushroom dose, and for making changa

Im very inexperienced with dmt, never tried salvia. And just realized i misread and thought you said salvia and not sativa :lol:

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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: oculodextro]
    #26675127 - 05/16/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Holy shit that's a huge dose of mush with the rue




Fuck, no doubt. Instant Godhead connection everytime thou :shrug:


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: Enkidu]
    #26675142 - 05/16/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Pretty intense go

Do you explore with dmt as well?

That is definitely a powerful mushroom experience

I just like indica because it relaxes me and has more of a grounding effect when sativa seems to be like putting my trip on crack, very energetic feel to it

A few times smoking sativa it just wasnt enjoyable to mix, but im sure this varies person to person

Im getting ready to do some extractions here soon and plan to get some harmala together. Interested to see how it goes with a mushroom dose, and for making changa

Im very inexperienced with dmt, never tried salvia. And just realized i misread and thought you said salvia and not sativa :lol:

Sorry for derailing a bit here :hatsoff:




No reason to ever try saliva. It's like your brain is broken for the length of a DMT trip. The bodyload is horrible and there's no insight to gain, IMO


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: oculodextro]
    #26675157 - 05/16/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah seems like people either dig it or hate it or can be both

Salvia sounds pretty intense

Heard a lot of horror stories but my first dmt experience seemed a lot like what people talk about with salvia

Im interested to try it but also i cant even go full blown with a dmt experience so figure i might as well not jump into that salvia ship

Read a post once guy said he did too much or something, was stuck in this world of never ending towers lined up like military graves (the endless rows in all directions) and the tower just stared at him and he didnt know why or wtf was going on.

Said he felt like he was there forever.

And didnt trip again for some 10 years or something it fucked with him so bad...

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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #26675596 - 05/16/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've never been able to get my hands on DMT.  I've been itching to try it though. Either in pure smoked/changa form or aya.

I've done the rue+8g+THC thing four times and have had very similar experiences each time.  Planning another one for next weekend


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan] * 1
    #26675704 - 05/16/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would suggest 4 dry grams/40 wet grams next time. But you can't go wrong with 3.5, that's just a classic spectacular dosage level.

Also mushrooms don't block serotonin, they're an agonist, which means they bind to 5HT2A and several other serotonin receptors. They may also compete with serotonin for the receptor, meaning that while they're binding they might prevent serotonin from binding (possibly). SSRIs on the other hand don't bind to serotonin receptors directly, instead they prevent the reuptake of serotonin which causes elevated serotonin levels in the body. Mushrooms don't cause elevated serotonin, they just bind to serotonin receptors.

Serotonin syndrome has nothing to do with mushrooms. It's a common misconception because serotonin syndrome can be caused by combining MDMA with SSRIs, but that's because MDMA releases a fuckton of serotonin into the body, and then SSRIs prevent its reuptake which causes an even further increase in serotonin. Mushrooms don't work like that, they just bind to the receptors and then leave the body. Serotonin levels are never elevated by mushrooms as a result.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26675959 - 05/17/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'd say, cruise around the same weight some before increasing it. Get to know the subtler levels.

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    #26675984 - 05/17/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: oculodextro]
    #26676054 - 05/17/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Dude you’ve just described what has gone wrong with the majority of trips I’ve taken this year! I had no idea it is Sativa. I’ve tripped successfully mixing in cannabis for years, but this year it has really gone downhill. Every trip where I have smoked has ended up as you described; broken brain, insane body load, and no insights or after glow.  Scary thing is to combat this I have cut out cannabis; my last two trips have gone downhill just as if I had smoked cannabis.

I don’t grow anymore, relying on a dealer - a few twenty bags a week, but no idea what the twenty bag is, indica, Sativa, or both!

Taking a break to see if I can reset my brain and get back to normal tripping, and or cannabis.

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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26676978 - 05/17/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

for experimental mental experiments - drop the Lexapro completely as it is part of a whole 'nother block of concepts.

in experimenting there is no place for I feel a little too nervous, or I am not comfortable with this or that. You need to jump in comfort or not.

so why Lexapro?
just drop it. it is not part of the same domain, it is part of the warranty claim on your human life, but that's absurd, there is no warranty - right?!?

people get hoodwinked and get these industrial psychochemicals to shoehorn their lives into normalcy. there is no normalcy it is a scam.

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    #26677108 - 05/17/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26677990 - 05/18/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lexapro definitely weakened the effects since 18 grams fresh should be longer lasting and bit more psychedelic of a mindstate.
Don't do both like others have said. Pick your medicine and go with psilocybin, but the SSRI will take time to wean off and get out of the system completely.
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    #26678189 - 05/18/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

yeah but that is also just a reason to meditate 2 x 45 minutes a day so one is intact garden intact and so one doesn't do something to others

like with karma and things like that

with that much meditation is is like there is a warranty like you don't go to the hospital you are not violent you don't start to do more drugs things like that

some don't do that and so they do something to you with influence and karma so one meditated 2 x 45 minutes a day blasts the head with mindfulness and clarity and cleans it so one doesn't go in the wrong direction or do something big wrong


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26689033 - 05/22/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for all the replies!

For a little more background i've had back issues for 20 years, recently went to dr to get some relief as it was getting even worse and fucked it up at work to where i couldn't walk normally so at the same time they ask that 'do you have trouble enjoying things' on top of the back pain just seeing oblivious idiots everyday and other issues leave me not even wanting to go out... so figured id try some pharma drugs. I'm surprised but lexapro did help me after about a month of taking it. some say its like a all day xanax but i think it's better. doesn't knock you out..

Been on about a year but started halfin dose to 10mg a couple months ago when i start to dabble with growing. I noticed the difference and went back up but now here i am a couple months later and i'm halfing it again to see how it goes.

I tried about 30g dose but it was only 6 days after my first, I was painting and didn't really feel it as much till i sat down and relaxed.
Then started reading about tolerance... Now i'm gonna wait 2 weeks.

Is it possible to up your dose already into a trip if you start low?
Does it require even more? 

I'm some what nervous but think i want to try every level.
All i can do is read about different experiences and the way musrooms have "levels" is still a foreign concept i don't understand fully as it is with everything until i actually do it.

I really wanted my wife to try so low level but shes even parinoid about that but i got here to eat 2-3g wet. Had a big dinner and she said she felt a little weird and then kinda sick but didn't get sick.
It's hard to judge her with drugs.. she used to smoke but then started freaking out and stopped. Recently gave her 1/4 of a small brownie (while im on my 3-4th) and she just couldn't relax and freaked out again. I'm hoping it's different with shrooms for her


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26689234 - 05/22/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Is it possible to up your dose already into a trip if you start low?
Does it require even more?





Sure you can but tolerance sets in after about an hour (the peak or thereabouts).  If when you first decide the dose was too low you down some more (say the same amount again) it will add to the trip, but not as much as if you did the full amount in the beginning.  It's hard to be sure when doing this but experience will let you know what your personal proper dose is after a while and then sticking to that will get you where you want to be, provided all else is equal (potency that is). :cookiemonster:


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26689333 - 05/22/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

People gotta want it for themselves

As for dosing, you can always do more next time

Start low and slowly work up is fine, if its too weak, take more next time

Theres levels because its different.

Higher doses the experience just isnt the same


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    #26689525 - 05/23/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It might be worth chatting to @socratesshroom on this, or other proponents of microdosing, as I believe people do benefit from pain relief by microdosing. Might be worth looking into, as a way to completely get free of the lexapro :thumbup:


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26722542 - 06/05/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've been picking them the past 2 weeks and drying them.
It seems like the 10% ratio should be around 6-7%
I picked 15 grams fresh the other morning and fully dried today weighs .8

I've got 2 dry grams saved up and will probably be able to pick a couple fresh tomorrow... the fresh ones will come from my first shoebox spawned grow. The others are from my 1/2 pint cakes.. i wonder if potency will be different.

So 2 grams dry + 10-15 or so fresh from the new batch and i've been on half dose of lexapro for about 3 weeks and skipping a couple days before dosing :mushroom2:


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    #26723241 - 06/06/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I've been picking them the past 2 weeks and drying them.
It seems like the 10% ratio should be around 6-7%
I picked 15 grams fresh the other morning and fully dried today weighs .8

I've got 2 dry grams saved up and will probably be able to pick a couple fresh tomorrow... the fresh ones will come from my first shoebox spawned grow. The others are from my 1/2 pint cakes.. i wonder if potency will be different.

So 2 grams dry  10-15 or so fresh from the new batch and i've been on half dose of lexapro for about 3 weeks and skipping a couple days before dosing :mushroom2:



This is something that I too have noticed, particulalrly since I’ve started storing fresh more than dry. In order to find the strength of the fresh mushrooms, I compare the wet vs the dry weight of the dried mushrooms from the same flush; I never get 10% mushroom vs 90% water, it is always more like 94-95% water.

So what this meant the last fresh trip I had: I had saved 55 fresh grams of Mazatapec. At 94.3% water (I seem to remember), the 55g was equivalent to 3.1g dry not 5.5g dry. It makes a HUGE difference to the generally accepted 10%.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26723311 - 06/06/20 03:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, the 10% seems to be wrong from my experience also. However, fresh are more potent with the psilocin so that kind of compensates. 55g fresh is probably a lot more intense than 3.1 or 3.5g dry, even if they were the same mushrooms.


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    #26723319 - 06/06/20 03:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yes I’d agree with that too; that particular trip was very intense; but it was also gentle and inviting. I much prefer tripping from fresh to dry. It is a substantially different experience.
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26724121 - 06/06/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The smaller fresh ones a bit better to eat than the large ones.
Cut the large one off this chode was 21g +2g dry and here we go :cool:




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    #26724263 - 06/06/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you want to eat them fresh don't let the caps open up.  If you make tea it's immaterial.


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    #26724616 - 06/06/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If he ingested those 4hours ago, he is literally shroom man at this point :awesomenod:


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26737411 - 06/11/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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If you want to eat them fresh don't let the caps open up.  If you make tea it's immaterial.




The small ones i had were more open and pretty good. This thing was just dense AF. I did a lot of chewing for that one :mushroom2:
I'm thinking next time i will make tea. I figured eating them would be the most potency but now i don't have to worry about wasting them.

Definitely had my first trip over the weekend. Ate my 21w+2g dry around 3pm and started coming up around 340. It was a bit intense. I had some indigestion and stomach cramps from drinking night before. Made it harder to just relax but i made it through with no issue other than getting annoyed wife came home early. I did not have the same happy one with everything feelings like i did with the lower dose.

Some nice OEV, watching still images move and shift in color.
Watched some west world which seemed perfect as there was some trippy animations and kinda felt my self living through a character at one point. Had to keep getting up and walking around maybe this help me stay grounded i duno. At one point around peak 2-3hr in i was staring at my hand and i was seeing the hairs move in unison and red spiraling.
very cool. Medium/Heavy bodyload, I went outside and looked at my car at one point the tires looked almost flat and weirdly low. Nope not driving anytime soon :smile:

Comedown was mild,relaxing. I'm not sure if this is lvl 2 or 3. Where the tipoff point in moving up dosage is still something i don't grasp.
Days after notice my mind does feel clearer and a bit less anxious overall. I'm thinking next dose around 3g dry in tea. play around with 3-5g range overtime.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan] * 2
    #26737446 - 06/11/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My advice is to give up trying to rank your experiences against others (levels).

Just go with the flow and do you.
There are no scores being kept.

Glad you got something from this experience
Don't shy away from the difficult moments and potentially questions you asked...examine them and enjoy the progress next time you trip.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: pineninja]
    #26739951 - 06/12/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i was on Lexapro for a while, maybe a year or more.  it worked very well for me and i'm glad i did it.  at some point i decided to wean myself off.  my problems didn't resurface so i figure that Lexapro helped me learn how to manage my issues

Lexapro was life changing for me in all the right ways, a tool that worked well for me

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    #26740101 - 06/12/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The right rx is key. We are talking about being used as a pin cushions. I went to the Dr. and they gave me a list of meds and was asked to pick one that I could try. I had to leave and I refused to pay bc the Dr. Wanted me to play doctor for my self.

  Can I ask how many medications you tried?


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    #26740119 - 06/12/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Good on you.

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    #26740799 - 06/12/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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My advice is to give up trying to rank your experiences against others (levels).

Just go with the flow and do you.
There are no scores being kept.

Glad you got something from this experience
Don't shy away from the difficult moments and potentially questions you asked...examine them and enjoy the progress next time you trip.




Thanks, I tend to over analyze things. Especially what i don't fully understand. This was the most intense experience i've had with any drug... other than DXM, but that sucked and i was just fighting feeling sick. I want to know where the tipping point is for when the experience drastically changes as this is unlike any drug i've tried. Most just leave me more tired ... until mushrooms :smile:
I want to have a better idea about what 'ego death' means experience wise for my self and how much i need to take before i take it...

Example if i am watching movie or listening to music on youtube will i not be able to see to the point where i start knocking my monitor over or doing something reckless?  Basically only thing that worries me is doing harm to people(self) or property ect


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The right rx is key. We are talking about being used as a pin cushions. I went to the Dr. and they gave me a list of meds and was asked to pick one that I could try. I had to leave and I refused to pay bc the Dr. Wanted me to play doctor for my self.

  Can I ask how many medications you tried?




I outlined my social issues. Increased heart rate, unsettling in public, depending on crowding / idiocy. obsessing over such encounters for days. constant nagging back pain, a lot of death in family for first time in life, some intimacy issues. I didn't disclose all of this but the social and Dr said his family and others benefited from Lexapro and suggested it to me first off. I really didn't want something that i had to take every day but i tried it and helped a lot. I also got xanax for situations like dentist, airport/planes, extreme crowding. I think psilocybin will be able to help me the same way but perhaps better :smile:


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    #26740813 - 06/12/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Personally when I started to dive deeper there is no better place than in bed or on the couch.

All the physical external reality that is your day to day should become an aside.

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    #26740922 - 06/13/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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That sounds about right for 1.7g

Doubling your dose will most likely get you way further out there, lexapro can definitely lessen the effects too.

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    #26762955 - 06/21/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I guess being in front of a computer is my comfort zone.

I tried to make tea a few nights ago. 10days after previous trip.
I did a light chop 3 dry grams in coffee grinder (should of dusted them i see) simmered about 10-15 minutes, strained into cup with tea bag and drank over a the course of 5-10 minutes. Waited 45, nothing really happening ... repeated brew with strained shrooms and drank. very mild if anything.

Last night,4 days later I decided tolerance be damned. i'm taking them again. 2 or 3 days without a lexapro dose (not really sure if this is effecting my trip since it's built up in my system from months of taking it altho over a month now at 1/2 dose)
I ground 3.6g dry this time to mostly powder, wasn't going to bother with tea so i microwaved 30g of chocolate baking chips and mixed in my powder. Took a little piece of aluminum foil and put the mixture on, folded,squished down a bit, put in freezer and set timer for 5 minutes.
came out perfect hardness tasted amazing (dark chocolate).

11:10 PM Started playing some world of tanks not worrying about if they will work or not. 11:50ish think to my self ' ok this is working better than the tea :smile:' Start up another match in game and i'm like yea i think this should be my last match and find something to relax too XD.

Make it out of the match great playing well enough to rank in top 2/20 players but it was time to search for visual videos on youtube.

Ended up finding my trip guide conveniently named 'captain hook', originally had some other music playing and was just going to watch visuals but glad i listened to his music instead. My last trip i felt kinda rushed and wasn't able to fully let go and focus on the feeling.
This time it was already 12am so no distractions.
Basically just stared at the screen with my mouth open for 3-4 hours and it was amazing. Went from the start thinking 'maybe i took too much'  to 30 minutes later ' I DIDN'T TAKE ENOUGH, DOUBLE DOSE NEXT TIME!! HAHA'
Spent the time also just thinking about things, connecting some dots in realizations including the creative DJ name which initially i just thought of peter pan the movie. Again the feeling of wanting to share shrooms with friends/family. Feeling connected to the psychonaut culture, understanding the effects of shrooms more. Had some surges of happiness too this time.

I'm still wondering if there is another tipping point or its just going to be a stronger and longer experience?

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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26762975 - 06/21/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Did you beat the cave troll then once out of the forbidden caverns, through the enchanted forest defeat the dark mage?  If so you made it to level 3.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26763164 - 06/21/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Went from the start thinking 'maybe i took too much'  to 30 minutes later ' I DIDN'T TAKE ENOUGH, DOUBLE DOSE NEXT TIME!! HAHA'




That's the tell.  But don't follow that advice, the doses go exponentially.

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I'm still wondering if there is another tipping point or its just going to be a stronger and longer experience?




Mmmm, you'll find out. :snoopyes:


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    #26774771 - 06/22/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm still wondering if there is another tipping point or its just going to be a stronger and longer experience?




Mmmm, you'll find out. :snoopyes:




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    #26776212 - 06/23/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

often when things seem really great you wonder if I took more would it not be better, or more great, etc.

this is not necessarily true, it will become more manic, and, if you take enough, you will hit the blackout zone:

this means that the mind cannot remain conscious due to the intensity of overlapping sustained sensory and memory signals in the brain, causing black outs, memory lapses, white outs, and occasionally wandering mindlessly (sleepwalking) and dangerously without any awareness like a deliriant user.

the blackout zone does not have pleasure value, intellectual value or spiritual value.

the trip can still be fun up to the blackout and after, but the net amount of time that your enjoyment occurs is lessened by the time you are completely gone.

this gone-ness is not the fabled ego loss it is just messed up gone.

I think finding your sweet spot with psychedelics is worth working towards. Nothing is 100% perfect, but it can be quite excellent with no loss of consciousness.


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    #26776268 - 06/23/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah isn't so that when taking a high dose it is best to work your way up there so you find that sweet spot without surprising bad consequences. Most people would probably manage 5g without blackouts or anything too crazy, but maybe for some the jump from 2.5 to 5 would be too much. In regards to double dosing I think it's only manageable from 1 to 2 or 1.5 to 3 or something like that. I'm gonna work my way up to 5g probably this summer at some point, but I am taking wet grams and still have a few stops before reaching there. Every trip is great anyways so no need to rush.


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    #26776419 - 06/23/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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often when things seem really great you wonder if I took more would it not be better, or more great, etc.

this is not necessarily true, it will become more manic, and, if you take enough, you will hit the blackout zone:

this means that the mind cannot remain conscious due to the intensity of overlapping sustained sensory and memory signals in the brain, causing black outs, memory lapses, white outs, and occasionally wandering mindlessly (sleepwalking) and dangerously without any awareness like a deliriant user.

the blackout zone does not have pleasure value, intellectual value or spiritual value.

the trip can still be fun up to the blackout and after, but the net amount of time that your enjoyment occurs is lessened by the time you are completely gone.

this gone-ness is not the fabled ego loss it is just messed up gone.

I think finding your sweet spot with psychedelics is worth working towards. Nothing is 100% perfect, but it can be quite excellent with no loss of consciousness.




Blackout city is where I stop increasing dosage - actually just shy of that.  This seems to be the sweetest spot, and even though I'm convinced the trip continues without conscious recall it doesn't do one much good to be AWOL for it.  I've returned from blackouts with the weirdest kind of shit circling in my head, much like dreams.


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    #26776493 - 06/23/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

exactly like dreams, but these things occur on the edge of blackout coming and going, - in the middle, is void.

the highest tolerable dosage can hit blackout very very briefly and can hit it several times yet it will still be very very interesting, that is at the maximal edge that Primal speaks of.

even dreams themselves, the REM sessions, relate to surfacing from sleep as well as descent into sleep. falling and emerging from sleep is the sweet-spot of dreams.


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    #26805036 - 07/05/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm really not sure what you guys mean with black outs? like hit the floor or just fall asleep / not remember something?
I did some searching on 'black outs' there was mixed posts on how rare and if it was related to LBP or something else, or falling asleep.

13 days or so since my 3.5g trip i went again.
Made up 4.4g in chocolate and left it in the fridge for a week and at them the other night.

I'm not really sure what to make of the increased dose experience.
The come up through me off a bit, They started kicking in quicker maybe 20-30 minutes. I started up some tunes and visuals, felt a tiny bit of naesua took 2 tums and went back. 20 minutes later i get a intense feeling ... am i gonna be sick? a little more nauseous i have a garbage can so i think whatever.. no problem but didn't want my wife to hear and walk in all concerned so maybe that made it worse.
Feeling built up for maybe 4-5 minutes and my body started to get really hot, then the sweat came a minute later. As i cooled down the nausea almost completely faded and i was able to relax again.
Kind like the shrooms were telling me... we're not done with you yet..you think you were at the top already? surprise we're letting you off at the next level.

Maybe it just could of been a reaction to the tums? as i think they can make me nauseous sometimes..

Either way the visuals weren't any more intense, there was some slight drifting into feeling sleepy. It did seem to last longer maybe 4 hrs vs 3 and at one point i noticed moving my hand a couple feet away from my face into darkness made it look distorted / contorted but returned to normal as i brought it closer into dim light.

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Black outs = not remembering what happened


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