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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan] * 2
    #26737446 - 06/11/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My advice is to give up trying to rank your experiences against others (levels).

Just go with the flow and do you.
There are no scores being kept.

Glad you got something from this experience
Don't shy away from the difficult moments and potentially questions you asked...examine them and enjoy the progress next time you trip.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: pineninja]
    #26739951 - 06/12/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i was on Lexapro for a while, maybe a year or more.  it worked very well for me and i'm glad i did it.  at some point i decided to wean myself off.  my problems didn't resurface so i figure that Lexapro helped me learn how to manage my issues

Lexapro was life changing for me in all the right ways, a tool that worked well for me

i understand the general animosity toward Rx psyches, but the right med for the right person can be a good thing


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: LuzaW] * 1
    #26740101 - 06/12/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The right rx is key. We are talking about being used as a pin cushions. I went to the Dr. and they gave me a list of meds and was asked to pick one that I could try. I had to leave and I refused to pay bc the Dr. Wanted me to play doctor for my self.

  Can I ask how many medications you tried?


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26740119 - 06/12/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Good on you.

They offer a service...sometimes its shit.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26740799 - 06/12/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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pineninja said:
My advice is to give up trying to rank your experiences against others (levels).

Just go with the flow and do you.
There are no scores being kept.

Glad you got something from this experience
Don't shy away from the difficult moments and potentially questions you asked...examine them and enjoy the progress next time you trip.




Thanks, I tend to over analyze things. Especially what i don't fully understand. This was the most intense experience i've had with any drug... other than DXM, but that sucked and i was just fighting feeling sick. I want to know where the tipping point is for when the experience drastically changes as this is unlike any drug i've tried. Most just leave me more tired ... until mushrooms :smile:
I want to have a better idea about what 'ego death' means experience wise for my self and how much i need to take before i take it...

Example if i am watching movie or listening to music on youtube will i not be able to see to the point where i start knocking my monitor over or doing something reckless?  Basically only thing that worries me is doing harm to people(self) or property ect


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The right rx is key. We are talking about being used as a pin cushions. I went to the Dr. and they gave me a list of meds and was asked to pick one that I could try. I had to leave and I refused to pay bc the Dr. Wanted me to play doctor for my self.

  Can I ask how many medications you tried?




I outlined my social issues. Increased heart rate, unsettling in public, depending on crowding / idiocy. obsessing over such encounters for days. constant nagging back pain, a lot of death in family for first time in life, some intimacy issues. I didn't disclose all of this but the social and Dr said his family and others benefited from Lexapro and suggested it to me first off. I really didn't want something that i had to take every day but i tried it and helped a lot. I also got xanax for situations like dentist, airport/planes, extreme crowding. I think psilocybin will be able to help me the same way but perhaps better :smile:


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26740813 - 06/12/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Personally when I started to dive deeper there is no better place than in bed or on the couch.

All the physical external reality that is your day to day should become an aside.

This experience is within you no electtonic devices are needed.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: oculodextro]
    #26740922 - 06/13/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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That sounds about right for 1.7g

Doubling your dose will most likely get you way further out there, lexapro can definitely lessen the effects too.

Be careful serotonin syndrome is a real thing




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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #26762955 - 06/21/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I guess being in front of a computer is my comfort zone.

I tried to make tea a few nights ago. 10days after previous trip.
I did a light chop 3 dry grams in coffee grinder (should of dusted them i see) simmered about 10-15 minutes, strained into cup with tea bag and drank over a the course of 5-10 minutes. Waited 45, nothing really happening ... repeated brew with strained shrooms and drank. very mild if anything.

Last night,4 days later I decided tolerance be damned. i'm taking them again. 2 or 3 days without a lexapro dose (not really sure if this is effecting my trip since it's built up in my system from months of taking it altho over a month now at 1/2 dose)
I ground 3.6g dry this time to mostly powder, wasn't going to bother with tea so i microwaved 30g of chocolate baking chips and mixed in my powder. Took a little piece of aluminum foil and put the mixture on, folded,squished down a bit, put in freezer and set timer for 5 minutes.
came out perfect hardness tasted amazing (dark chocolate).

11:10 PM Started playing some world of tanks not worrying about if they will work or not. 11:50ish think to my self ' ok this is working better than the tea :smile:' Start up another match in game and i'm like yea i think this should be my last match and find something to relax too XD.

Make it out of the match great playing well enough to rank in top 2/20 players but it was time to search for visual videos on youtube.

Ended up finding my trip guide conveniently named 'captain hook', originally had some other music playing and was just going to watch visuals but glad i listened to his music instead. My last trip i felt kinda rushed and wasn't able to fully let go and focus on the feeling.
This time it was already 12am so no distractions.
Basically just stared at the screen with my mouth open for 3-4 hours and it was amazing. Went from the start thinking 'maybe i took too much'  to 30 minutes later ' I DIDN'T TAKE ENOUGH, DOUBLE DOSE NEXT TIME!! HAHA'
Spent the time also just thinking about things, connecting some dots in realizations including the creative DJ name which initially i just thought of peter pan the movie. Again the feeling of wanting to share shrooms with friends/family. Feeling connected to the psychonaut culture, understanding the effects of shrooms more. Had some surges of happiness too this time.

I'm still wondering if there is another tipping point or its just going to be a stronger and longer experience?

Awesomeness within:


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26762975 - 06/21/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Did you beat the cave troll then once out of the forbidden caverns, through the enchanted forest defeat the dark mage?  If so you made it to level 3.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26763164 - 06/21/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Went from the start thinking 'maybe i took too much'  to 30 minutes later ' I DIDN'T TAKE ENOUGH, DOUBLE DOSE NEXT TIME!! HAHA'




That's the tell.  But don't follow that advice, the doses go exponentially.

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I'm still wondering if there is another tipping point or its just going to be a stronger and longer experience?




Mmmm, you'll find out. :snoopyes:


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26774771 - 06/22/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm still wondering if there is another tipping point or its just going to be a stronger and longer experience?




Mmmm, you'll find out. :snoopyes:




Haha you'll find out alright, when you get above 5grams in my experience, it's a whole different experience :smile:


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: oculodextro]
    #26776212 - 06/23/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

often when things seem really great you wonder if I took more would it not be better, or more great, etc.

this is not necessarily true, it will become more manic, and, if you take enough, you will hit the blackout zone:

this means that the mind cannot remain conscious due to the intensity of overlapping sustained sensory and memory signals in the brain, causing black outs, memory lapses, white outs, and occasionally wandering mindlessly (sleepwalking) and dangerously without any awareness like a deliriant user.

the blackout zone does not have pleasure value, intellectual value or spiritual value.

the trip can still be fun up to the blackout and after, but the net amount of time that your enjoyment occurs is lessened by the time you are completely gone.

this gone-ness is not the fabled ego loss it is just messed up gone.

I think finding your sweet spot with psychedelics is worth working towards. Nothing is 100% perfect, but it can be quite excellent with no loss of consciousness.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26776268 - 06/23/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah isn't so that when taking a high dose it is best to work your way up there so you find that sweet spot without surprising bad consequences. Most people would probably manage 5g without blackouts or anything too crazy, but maybe for some the jump from 2.5 to 5 would be too much. In regards to double dosing I think it's only manageable from 1 to 2 or 1.5 to 3 or something like that. I'm gonna work my way up to 5g probably this summer at some point, but I am taking wet grams and still have a few stops before reaching there. Every trip is great anyways so no need to rush.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26776419 - 06/23/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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often when things seem really great you wonder if I took more would it not be better, or more great, etc.

this is not necessarily true, it will become more manic, and, if you take enough, you will hit the blackout zone:

this means that the mind cannot remain conscious due to the intensity of overlapping sustained sensory and memory signals in the brain, causing black outs, memory lapses, white outs, and occasionally wandering mindlessly (sleepwalking) and dangerously without any awareness like a deliriant user.

the blackout zone does not have pleasure value, intellectual value or spiritual value.

the trip can still be fun up to the blackout and after, but the net amount of time that your enjoyment occurs is lessened by the time you are completely gone.

this gone-ness is not the fabled ego loss it is just messed up gone.

I think finding your sweet spot with psychedelics is worth working towards. Nothing is 100% perfect, but it can be quite excellent with no loss of consciousness.




Blackout city is where I stop increasing dosage - actually just shy of that.  This seems to be the sweetest spot, and even though I'm convinced the trip continues without conscious recall it doesn't do one much good to be AWOL for it.  I've returned from blackouts with the weirdest kind of shit circling in my head, much like dreams.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26776493 - 06/23/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

exactly like dreams, but these things occur on the edge of blackout coming and going, - in the middle, is void.

the highest tolerable dosage can hit blackout very very briefly and can hit it several times yet it will still be very very interesting, that is at the maximal edge that Primal speaks of.

even dreams themselves, the REM sessions, relate to surfacing from sleep as well as descent into sleep. falling and emerging from sleep is the sweet-spot of dreams.


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26805036 - 07/05/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm really not sure what you guys mean with black outs? like hit the floor or just fall asleep / not remember something?
I did some searching on 'black outs' there was mixed posts on how rare and if it was related to LBP or something else, or falling asleep.

13 days or so since my 3.5g trip i went again.
Made up 4.4g in chocolate and left it in the fridge for a week and at them the other night.

I'm not really sure what to make of the increased dose experience.
The come up through me off a bit, They started kicking in quicker maybe 20-30 minutes. I started up some tunes and visuals, felt a tiny bit of naesua took 2 tums and went back. 20 minutes later i get a intense feeling ... am i gonna be sick? a little more nauseous i have a garbage can so i think whatever.. no problem but didn't want my wife to hear and walk in all concerned so maybe that made it worse.
Feeling built up for maybe 4-5 minutes and my body started to get really hot, then the sweat came a minute later. As i cooled down the nausea almost completely faded and i was able to relax again.
Kind like the shrooms were telling me... we're not done with you yet..you think you were at the top already? surprise we're letting you off at the next level.

Maybe it just could of been a reaction to the tums? as i think they can make me nauseous sometimes..

Either way the visuals weren't any more intense, there was some slight drifting into feeling sleepy. It did seem to last longer maybe 4 hrs vs 3 and at one point i noticed moving my hand a couple feet away from my face into darkness made it look distorted / contorted but returned to normal as i brought it closer into dim light.

I think i'm going to try dosing 3.5 once a week to see how the tolerance is


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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26805360 - 07/05/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Black outs = not remembering what happened


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