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Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. 1
#26672466 - 05/15/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Which do you prefer and what works best for you? I think if you want a rough ride take them naturally. But if you want a smoother ride extract them.
I usually use iso 99%.
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: ft116]
#26672513 - 05/15/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am in the process of ordering Some more seeds and iso Because I have run out.
You can have a damn good Laugh on these seeds.
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: ft116]
#26672770 - 05/15/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I prefer methanol-extracted these days, about 7.5grams. Its my favorite.
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26673569 - 05/15/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Never tried methanol extraction. Is it the same as iso?
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: ft116]
#26673836 - 05/15/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Even just doing an ethanol extraction (150+ proof) will pull significantly less saponins out of the seeds than a water extraction, while still being fairly soluble for alkaloid salts.
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Ethanol is less polar than water because it is covalently bonded(covalent bonds have no net charge), therefore, salt dissolves less in ethanol. But water dissolves salt better because they are compatible i.e they are both ionic compounds.
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: alephdog] 1
#26673838 - 05/15/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Water is not ionic, but it is a more polar molecule due to higher difference in electronegativity of hydrogen vs carbon + oxygene.
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: RebeccaBlack]
#26673845 - 05/15/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, well the IMFs are stronger in water. There's an experiment where they drip water onto a penny and then pure ethanol, and you can see the water has a lot more surface tension the alcohol spills after fewer drops.
Plus if you make two small vials with equal amounts but different solvents, you'll see the alcohol isn't as dark and has a lighter, almost pink color while the water is a dark reddish brown.
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: ft116]
#26673907 - 05/16/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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ft116 said: Never tried methanol extraction. Is it the same as iso?
Ive never done an ISO extract, but as Daijo mentioned, Methanol is more polar thus better at extracting the polar LSA amines from the seed mush.
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26675328 - 05/16/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Natural. There is seriously no comparison. The trouble is if taken naturally you have to hold them down. Giving that MG and HBWR especially are basically poison to most constitutions this is no easy task...
The only realistic way I found to do this over the years was to re-drink my own vomit! The quicker I did this the better! The trip would begin rapidly after this, though if I didn't vomit (and re-drink) it could take hours. I know it sounds hideous, but in those days I was seriously dedicated!
The first time I did it, I did so simply because I was in my parents living room and quickly needed to swallow the evidence (I had vomited into a cup)! Drinking it back down again though, my stomach settled and miraculously the real trip suddenly kicked in (I shit you not. The same result can be achieved by taking the same action as soon as you feel nauseous!)
The longer you wait with those seeds in your stomach, the more you suffer and for some reason, without this method, the seeds take fricking hours to properly absorb (the inevitable result usually being to puke the magic down the toilet anyway). I once rived in agony all afternoon only to eventually to puke the entire experience down the bog!
Now just to be clear I would never go through these lengths just to trip these days but were I to use HBWR or MG again it would be the only method I would use!
Extractions are like taking LSD with tolerance.
There is no magic, or factor X (that special something that glues one's jaw to the floor).
Whole seed is the only way to go if you want to use these seeds and achieve a truly psychedelic experience.
I'm not sure if I will ever do it again though...
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: wolf8312]
#26675381 - 05/16/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I havent quided seeds before but Ive heard its the best.
I find Cold Water Extractions to be second best only to Methanol Extractions.
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26675484 - 05/16/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does soaking the seeds in a few mL of ethanol not do the trick, without pulling as much bad stuff as water?
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: alephdog]
#26675622 - 05/16/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ive had one sucessful run of ethanol using lemon bitters. For some reason, the lemon bitters really helps. But the issue was it made ir undrinkable. Im still working an a method to improve the ethanol extraction: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26511708#26511708
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: alephdog]
#26675893 - 05/16/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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alephdog said: Yes, well the IMFs are stronger in water. There's an experiment where they drip water onto a penny and then pure ethanol, and you can see the water has a lot more surface tension the alcohol spills after fewer drops.
Plus if you make two small vials with equal amounts but different solvents, you'll see the alcohol isn't as dark and has a lighter, almost pink color while the water is a dark reddish brown.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say other than ''water solubilizes salts better than alcohol. It also has a higher surface tension''
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: RebeccaBlack]
#26676201 - 05/17/20 04:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have always used iso. Had no problems extracting. Always gives a good products. And it feels different to Taking it naturally. Donât get me wrong. Naturally Is more spiritual whereas Extract is more chemical Based vibes.
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Re: Mg seeds. Natural vs extraction. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26676435 - 05/17/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Ive had one sucessful run of ethanol using lemon bitters. For some reason, the lemon bitters really helps. But the issue was it made ir undrinkable. Im still working an a method to improve the ethanol extraction: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26511708#26511708
So is a water extract confirmed more potent? I wasn't sure if alcohol was dissolving less salts, or just less pigments.
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