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Micropore vs. Polyfill
    #26671847 - 05/15/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: Vylie]
    #26671868 - 05/15/20 03:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nothing wrong with polyfill. Never failed me

I actually never tried micropore tape


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: Vylie]
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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: Fractal420]
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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: Vylie] * 1
    #26671881 - 05/15/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've been a poly-filler since I started. Poly's my girl. She's never let me down


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: Apples in Mono]
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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: Vylie] * 1
    #26671886 - 05/15/20 03:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If you like polyfill, check out SFD (Synthetic Filter Discs). They are da bomb! :awesomenod:


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26671936 - 05/15/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Since clean grain spawn is everything in this game, definitely want the best lids possible.

Which in my opinion, are the autoclavable plastic lids with a GE hole, and either an SFD popped up underneath or polyfill.

They are one piece lids which make it easier to work smoothly.
I prefer the SFDs , but polyfill works great.
I've used micropore on Pasty Plates and that is fine, but it can tear and I don't trust that on lids.

Here is how I do mine with SFDs (there are 3 holes in this lid because it's for a gallon spawn jar. Drilling can crack lids, so I just heat up the back of a drill bit with a torch and melt perfect hole punches).



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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: mushpunx]
    #26672235 - 05/15/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The first jar I ever lost was when I ran out of tyvek and used mp tape.

I bought sfd specifically sold for mush cult and they were garbage. 95% failure rate. 
Idk why.

My favorite is the paper thin filter sticker things.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: A.k.a]
    #26672332 - 05/15/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Poly has never failed me but I just don't like working with it - tubs or lids its just annoying. All my lids have quarter sized SFD with RTV and work beautifully! Plus I can PC them repeatedly and I've never had a jar go green.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: pureshrooming] * 1
    #26672352 - 05/15/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The first jar I ever lost was when I ran out of tyvek and used mp tape.

I bought sfd specifically sold for mush cult and they were garbage. 95% failure rate. 
Idk why.

My favorite is the paper thin filter sticker things.




I am unfamiliar with those, what are they?


Where did you get your SFDs from? That's nuts, I have seen some filters passed off as SFDs that aren't anything like a proper filter disc though, maybe they were those!

Are you sure it was lid failure? The only times I've ever been certain I had lid failure, green mold showed up at the top of the grains.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: mushpunx]
    #26672673 - 05/15/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The sticker things?? I’m not sure somebody gave me some cult stuff cuz they were taking a break and one of the things was a pre made lid he had bought. It had a ship and a ge hole with a filter over it that looks kinda like the sticky part of a band aid.

I’ll find the rest  of the filters and post them.

They look the same as everybody else’s from what I can tell. I’d done 60+ jars and never had mold in one until I switched to these SFDs. It was crazy.

I did one batch where I had rtvd the cut out circles on and figured maybe I didn’t seal them right or something so I ran a second batch with entire disk on over the lid. Still all went bad. That was like 6 weeks ago and I’m paying for it now with no grows going on lol.

The worst part is it takes so long for the mold to show. If it went bad right away it wouldn’t be so rough but losing ten jars 7-10 days in sucks so bad.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26672697 - 05/15/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If you like polyfill, check out SFD (Synthetic Filter Discs). They are da bomb! :awesomenod:




These synthetic disc filters are the absolute best (from my experience anyway, could have been a good brand.. who knows)and you could even use the same lids you have now and convert

The discs are much more breathable than both options and cleaner as well. And you don’t have to worry about anything sticking or polyfill falling out. If they just weren’t so expensive. But they are reuseable as well. I just give them a very hot water bath and set them out to dry and there good to go.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: A.k.a]
    #26672773 - 05/15/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The first jar I ever lost was when I ran out of tyvek and used mp tape.

I bought sfd specifically sold for mush cult and they were garbage. 95% failure rate. 
Idk why.

My favorite is the paper thin filter sticker things.




Sounds like u got the generic/crappy kind. Happens to the best of us.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: A.k.a]
    #26673036 - 05/15/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The sticker things?? I’m not sure somebody gave me some cult stuff cuz they were taking a break and one of the things was a pre made lid he had bought. It had a ship and a ge hole with a filter over it that looks kinda like the sticky part of a band aid.

I’ll find the rest  of the filters and post them.

They look the same as everybody else’s from what I can tell. I’d done 60+ jars and never had mold in one until I switched to these SFDs. It was crazy.

I did one batch where I had rtvd the cut out circles on and figured maybe I didn’t seal them right or something so I ran a second batch with entire disk on over the lid. Still all went bad. That was like 6 weeks ago and I’m paying for it now with no grows going on lol.

The worst part is it takes so long for the mold to show. If it went bad right away it wouldn’t be so rough but losing ten jars 7-10 days in sucks so bad.





Man and you are sure it wasn't your agar culture? It's a rare thing IME for mold to show in jars, typically comes before the first flush. Still it's much better to catch it in the jars.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: mushpunx]
    #26673062 - 05/15/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Im using 3M micropore tape on all my jars right now in a tent. Are all my jars fucked then? Also I need some of the synthetic filter disk.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26673066 - 05/15/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It works for some people, so you might still be good.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26673070 - 05/15/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have no contam issues with micropore tape, but you may be onto something with the colonization speeds. Gives me something to tinker with I suppose.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: poisoned]
    #26673072 - 05/15/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No it was like 6 different cultures and I’d literally never seen mold in a jar before then.

Plus it was always on the top of the grain.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: poisoned]
    #26673073 - 05/15/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ive been noticing some of my jars have been getting bacterial. Might be because of them getting stopped up or something also ive been putting like 2-3 layers on em. Do you think thats choking them or is it good measure?


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26673085 - 05/15/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That should be fine I think people use two layers for the most part.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: A.k.a]
    #26673127 - 05/15/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Okay so here's the thing. You gotta know when to use each kind of tool.
For micropore tape since its rate of FAE is low I use it on colonizing jars, covering the holes on tubs during colonization, and I also use micropore to seal up my plastic agar dishes/slants. 
For Polyfil I use it for the holes in my tubs and modified lids for LC.
I also use it when I PC my Pyrex 500ml Agar bottles, but its covered in tinfoil as well.

Never had I an issue with micropore tape allowing contams inside, and as long as you make sure you're not tearing it while placing it - it'll work just fine for jars and other small holes you can't fit polyfil into.
I NEVER go past just one layer of Micropore tape because that's all it takes is just ONE layer. Micropore tape is already rated in microns....


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: Vylie]
    #26673133 - 05/15/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I've been a poly-filler since I started. Poly's my girl. She's never let me down




Yes. A single hole with poly makes the mushroom colonize much faster than three holes with micropore.

Almost all the MS to grain jars I didn’t have to throw away were with poly. Only a few micropore survived the shaking but they are slow like hell. I’m replacing the lids right now.



one layer of micropore will prevent this. I have it on all my jars, jars take about 12 days to finish colonizing.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: A.k.a]
    #26673203 - 05/15/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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No it was like 6 different cultures and I’d literally never seen mold in a jar before then.

Plus it was always on the top of the grain.




Yeah that is lid failure! No way a proper SFD would do that. Must have been the other kind I've seen around


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #26673212 - 05/15/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You use micropore on your plates? Like disposable pitres? That sounds like a pain to work with man.
I use Parafilm (I know it's pricey but I'm only on my second roll in several years) or cling wrap, a 1" section cut off the end of a roll, much nicer to use!


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26673257 - 05/15/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Ive been noticing some of my jars have been getting bacterial. Might be because of them getting stopped up or something also ive been putting like 2-3 layers on em. Do you think thats choking them or is it good measure?



I put two layers on before they go in the PC, and one layer when they come out:shrug: it's probably not necessary to use that much, but it has always worked for me, so I see no reason to fuck with it.


Also, the tape would not be the reason your jars are bacterial.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #26673265 - 05/15/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Ive been noticing some of my jars have been getting bacterial. Might be because of them getting stopped up or something also ive been putting like 2-3 layers on em. Do you think thats choking them or is it good measure?



I put two layers on before they go in the PC, and one layer when they come out:shrug: it's probably not necessary to use that much, but it has always worked for me, so I see no reason to fuck with it.





Been doing the exact same thing two before they go in and another when they come out.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: mushpunx]
    #26673293 - 05/15/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah mushpunx, Its not a hassle at all, in fact it has been a very cheap alternative to parafilm which I cannot get at the moment.
There are downfalls, sometimes you get sticky lids, however I have had no contamination from using it.

Everything pictured here is sealed with micropore tape, doesn't do a bad job at all.


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: mushhead]
    #26673963 - 05/16/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I found it a PITA to remove MP tape. Saran wrap FTW for petris


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: mcnugget]
    #26676173 - 05/17/20 03:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Never went back on SFDs they are very useful


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Re: Micropore vs. Polyfill [Re: mcnugget]
    #26676376 - 05/17/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Has anyone tried these?  https://microppose.com/products/microppose-filter-vent-0-22-micron-eptfe-material-3m-lse-adhesive-backing




I've never seen them but you can get a set of ten SFD's for that price, you could cut circles (I say keep them whole though.).


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