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Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? * 1
    #26667816 - 05/13/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm waiting for the fruits of Mexicana and have few cakes that are really slow-growing.

It took almost 2monts for full colonization and 1 month for pins.

Some pins are looking suspicious to me (it's not dry because the chamber is well hydrated and I fruit Mazataec in it very well).

Pins are torn apart (see pics) or with white color on it.

Should I be just patient or is there a reason for above?

I fan about 6 times a day for a few seconds and Mist about 3 times - trying to get the sweet spot.



there was a jelly layer on above but I got rid off it and turn it upside down, and now is okay but looks not good.









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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26667833 - 05/13/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Cubes don't grow in water, so why are the cakes sitting in pools of water?
Fanning is not a real thing, it's like the pew pew laser guns from star trek, has no practical value whatsoever in reality. Read more updated threads


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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: Mateja]
    #26667865 - 05/13/20 02:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, there is no water in those cups. Honestly, I had more water on the top of the tin foil than with those plastic cups.

I fill them with water only when the pins are well developed.

Bottom watering idea:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24061080#24061080

Interesting... Do You have any more specific suggestions where I can find this info?

I know how to better use the search function on this forum (trusted cultivators etc) but what keywords should I put in there to find the most relevant thread on this?


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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26667878 - 05/13/20 02:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The size of the collected droplets/pools of water inside the lids has gotten there by the virtue of the spray bottle true? It's way too much water sprayed in one place at a time hence why I expressed myself so overly dramatic earlier lol. Anyway it's way too much misting and that's the reason your fruits are so dark, waterlogged and water damaged all of them. It's not a fluke  or genetics you're overmisting plain and simple.


I've never really used the search function because the info I'm looking for is not specific to my grows, literally 50-100% of all new posts will be about the one or the other method I'm currently using, the same goes for you. It will either be grain spawned to coir inside tubs or cakes fruited inside SGFC correct? Then why bother reading years old threads that you dig up containing very old information instead of reading daily new threads that come up that will be about 2xsctöy the same topic that you're searching for except only it will be fully updated info from this day. Like now for example, you're getting up to date information about your grow i sted of reading a old thread written by somebody years ago who didn't even understand what he/she was doing. Hope that helps.


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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: Mateja]
    #26667885 - 05/13/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, I got the point! It make total sense to me and I will take your advice seriously.

I will switch back to the small tin foil. I found some info that you were talking about, thanks!

Hamloaf said:

" No, fanning's purpose is to alleviate high RH, thus isn't the same thing as FAE, and is why fanning a SGFC is pointless, because by design an SGFC already receives enough FAE, automatically.

Molecules move closer together as they lose kinetic energy creating a low pressure that pulls air up, and into the perlite through the bottom holes.  This phenomenon is created by perlite being cooler than surrounding air keeping RH of chamber at, or above 55-85% RH.  It's a natural occurance that takes place with out the fanning.

Another bad procedure I see commonly occurring is foil squares being too large (which isn't occurring in this particular case) restricting the perlite from being able to do it's job of providing an ample microclimate to surface of cakes.  There is also never any mention of misting the perlite along with the cakes come time to mist.  Perlite should be misted in order to keep it hydrated."


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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26667891 - 05/13/20 03:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes misting the perlite daily is what I would recommend if you're using a sgfc but I don't think the lids are the problem you'll still be overmisting even if you put foil under the cakes, the point is mist the cakes less or mist from higher above. You don't ever want to see droplet (I means tiny pools of water) anywhere near you substrates. You want microscopic or just tiny tiny ass droplets to collect on top of the cakes, that's what creates the best conditions imo. May look like this:

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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms] * 1
    #26667927 - 05/13/20 04:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting. Looks like some kind of odd mutants going on. :shrug: Just keep misting the perlite heavily and lightly mist your cakes. Dont over mist thou, mist only as needed (when it starts to dry out or look dry).

Also Mateah, Ive seen a couple photos recently here of "hydroponic shrooms" aka a substrate floating in a tub of water. Its wild.


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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26668044 - 05/13/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Interesting. Looks like some kind of odd mutants going on. Also Mateah, Ive seen a couple photos recently here of "hydroponic shrooms" aka a substrate floating in a tub of water. Its wild.



I hear ya! Bottom watering definitely works, I've also let one substrate float not too long ago seemed to do alright as well. And I suppose it could also be some weird mutation in this case. I just have to take into consideration the accumulating water on the lids around the cakes, obviously more water in being sprayed than what's able to evaporate, maybe that's also why this 'sgfc' type of setup is completely saturated on the inside walls, and it doesn't like it's wet just from being sprayed moments before the photo was taken (maybe it was only the OP knows) but to me looks like the walls have been wet for more than a day, looks like there's more than plenty of humidity in that tub to me that's obvious from the pics and the overall stale looking conditions. That perlite looks nothing like it's suppose to, I wonder if shit is growing on it from constant sitting water on top. Then there's also the wet looking caps. These are some of the indicators I went by in my assessment of this grow. Then there's also the thing that this kind of 'mutation' let's call it (I've had it in the past, in my sgfc when I was a noob) and have to say can not recall at this point any exempel of an experienced grower having the same issues with bulk grows but its somewhat not unusual to see this mutation or water damage in novice sgfc grows Ime.


Also I have to think about what are the chances of the same mutation occurring on all the substrates and all the fruits (assuming there are at least a few dozins of different strains (genetics) present in that tub fruiting from these multi strain cakes, if would have been a clone it would be easier to assess) but on the other hand it fits the description perfectly if it was for example a case of water damaged pins imo from overmisting. After considering all this id still have to lean towards it being environmental rather than genetic. But of course very hard to pin down exactly so to speak lol. I wonder what kind of diagnostics OP could run to try to determine what the cause of this is, do you have any suggestions?


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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: Mateja]
    #26671751 - 05/15/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes misting the perlite daily is what I would recommend if you're using a sgfc but I don't think the lids are the problem you'll still be overmisting even if you put foil under the cakes, the point is mist the cakes less or mist from higher above. You don't ever want to see droplet (I means tiny pools of water) anywhere near you substrates. You want microscopic or just tiny tiny ass droplets to collect on top of the cakes, that's what creates the best conditions imo. May look like this:

Zoom in and inspect close up to see what I'm talking about





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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms] * 1
    #26671766 - 05/15/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16383348#16383348

Bottom watering seemed to work well with smaller 1/4 cakes.


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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms] * 1
    #26671777 - 05/15/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mateah, Would love to give you more recent photos. I just bought a smaller spray bottle and I'm more careful about watering.

From what you're saying. I think it may be due to the cakes spending to much time in the water pool. I turned them upside down recently to give them fresh air (mutant ones)

How the Perlite should look like?


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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms] * 1
    #26672560 - 05/15/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

LOOK AT THIS











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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms] * 1
    #26672701 - 05/15/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Some good clusters going on.

I think they might be too wet, that’s what gives the pins that flaky looking stem and then later the lumpy caps.


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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26672776 - 05/15/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Their minds are fusing together! :unbelievable:

Looking pretty decent. Remember to mist the perlite heavily while lightly misting the fruits :thumbup:


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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26679596 - 05/18/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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LOOK AT THIS













Do you have photos of how these cakes progressed? Td'be Interesting to see updates :popcorn:


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Re: Poorly looking Pins on Cakes - any suggestions? [Re: Mateja]
    #26687213 - 05/22/20 04:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)





Do you have photos of how these cakes progressed? Td'be Interesting to see updates :popcorn:




Sorry for the delay Mateah! I ate 8g of them - beautiful species <3

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