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OfflineMchinz94
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Philosophers Stone (bad trip!)
    #26670155 - 05/14/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’m posting to see if any more experienced psychonaughts might have any knowledge or insight on the truly awful experience my partner and I had whilst taking Philosophers Stone in Amsterdam, 2019.

Let me start by giving a little background info;

I had never taken mushrooms before, but had microdosed LSD a little.
My partner had taken mushrooms plenty of times, LSD a few times and PCP once.
We were in Amsterdam on holiday, not partying just chilling and sure seeing, but were both interested in doing mushrooms together. We came with an intention, I teach Yoga and he meditation and we wanted a gentle but connecting and spiritual experience.

We did lots of research to make sure our dosing was okay (I took 10mg and he 15mg dried) and had an in depth conversation with the man in the shop we purchased from to make sure we chose the right one for us. We went with Philosophers Stone which we were assured was suitable for novices.

We settled into our little air bnb about 17:00 and swallowed the truffles not long after. Lights low, sweet music on and cuddly blankets.
18:00 saw a little bit of giddiness and pretty colours, nothing strong.
About 19:00 the effects got muuuuuuch stronger. Really strong visuals and distortions, not a terrible feeling but creeping anxiety and intensity.
20:00 things started to spiral out of control. My partner said he felt there was something not right, and it felt like the whole world shattered in half. The visuals were so strong I was struggling to tell what was reality, felt like I was battling my brain to remain in control. Something was sitting right in me, my body wanted it OUT and it came out rather ceremoniously from both ends  (pardon the graphic detail) it honestly felt like I’d been poisoned horribly.

We tried shovelling chocolate, OJ  and stoppers in but everything just got worse. Time was fully elastic and I was subject to the most awful visuals. Ants, clowns, spiders.. you name it! This continued for another 9 hours until we started to feel a bit more in touch with reality. We couldn’t let go of each other for fear of spinning out into another universe, couldn’t turn the lights off, we were frozen in time.

Time crept by until about 06:00 when we could finally drop to sleep. We both suffered horrible anxiety the following day and I still had visual distortions for a following 48 hours or so.

My partner found this experience so different from his previous, gentle trips that he suggested we might have taken the wrong dose accidentally or had ingested laced mushrooms, but shrooms are legal in Amsterdam and we purchased them from a large, registered shop. Could this be?

I’m quite inexperienced but I feel like this is not a normal expected experience on mushrooms. Can anybody help at all? It’s been playing on my mind and I’m absolutely terrified to go anywhere near any other psychedelics again.

Love & light, thank you! Xx


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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: Mchinz94]
    #26670191 - 05/14/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Your dose is unclear. How much truffles did you take? If you can provide that info maybe someone experienced with truffles can chime in :thumbup:
That doesn't sound like a typical strength of a truffle experience or mushroom experience either


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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26670266 - 05/14/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

OP states they took 10 and their friend took 15mg (I believe they mean grams)


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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: FrancoAmerican]
    #26670367 - 05/14/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Weird

Not typical mushroom experience but i dont use truffles so idk what that dose equals to with cubes

Also lasted way longer than what i expect with mushrooms


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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #26670472 - 05/14/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Part of the wisdom in learning the ins and outs of cultivating, growing your own fungi, and experimentation is knowing exactly what you get and knowing what your getting into.  I’ll repost this guide of sorts here, maybe it helps maybe it doesn’t. :mushroom2:

Sounds like your expectations helped set you up for a good old fashioned scare.  I bet if you had anticipated the level of impact it had, that you would have been better able to cope, having been ready and able to deal with it all more smoothly and naturally.  Also, general ignorance always plays an underlying role in these things, so here is some info to help deal with it all the more rationally & naturally.

As to the reasons why?

1). When dealing with fungi-  a dose calculator is just an approximation, and a pretty good one.  But it’s ultimately just a general guide and is subject to variable factors that aren’t static, it is not an exact science.

2.). You were expecting a certain level from a specific dose,  a set window of effects maybe?  I find that can be a misguiding notion. Although It works to an extent, it can be over or under under - Sometimes by a large degree.

3.). If you use fungi from a multispore grow, but do not dry and then Powderize the entire flush into a homogenous mixture or solution,  the actual mg of psilocybin you’re taking is highly variable- And so dosing a set weight becomes less certain as to its potential potency.  This is why doing the aforementioned method, and then taking a micro dose to test potency is a practice I maintain.
          (.1g - .5g dry for a potency test of the flush that’s been pulverized and mixed in a blender)

I’ve had .5g completely blow my expectations and assumptions out of the water  :lol: :shrug:(and I’m not a stranger to the so called heroic dose range).  Makes me relieved that I test at all so as to gauge an appropriate dose for a macro dose range trip.  Next part is to give perspective to what happened via analogy, and how to properly see it all in a more appropriate context:

You gave yourself a fright , kind of like when I’m outside walking at night, and then suddenly hear what sounds like someone getting murdered - shrill screams done horridly and very very loudly -  only to look up in a tree and see a “screaming owl”  (actual thing) take off from a branch.

Or when you get a new hot sauce and use an amount you normally do expecting similar results, only to suddenly feel like your about to have a seizure and pass out because the thing was so much more spicy than imagined.

Or like a doing a rep of bench presses on an bar assist machine that some clown has scratched off the paint where the numbers were, and wrote down new numbers totaling 2x or 3x the original weight per each bar - you go to bench your normal amount - say 180 lb , and thus you prep yourself as having been conditioned to do that number ... only to be surprised by suddenly having to deal with 360lbs or god forbid, 540lb !

It’s sort of like that, right? 

Psychedelic trips are of the same nature of experience as ones own dreams, in that the experience is an expression of one’ self.
Also,  Just like how going to a foreign country, or climbing a mountain, or crossing the ocean one would be wise to prepare adequately for the known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns - before setting out on a journey, so should one take a psychedelic experience/ trip, and one’s own set and setting  - having that dialed in to the best of one’s abilities. 

It’s basically lucid dreaming while awake - but control is variable in flux, the perceiver and the perceived both influence each other in a psychedelic trip, Yin & Yang .....  Regardless -  everything, absolutely everything in it is an expression of ones own nature.  Remembering that is essential to keeping things in perspective.  The only one in your head is you, despite if there are any appearances to the contrary.

If one keeps things in the appropriate perspective, you can become much more skillful, or adept,  in dealing and being with anything that reality presents.  :heart:  :mushroom2:


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Edited by The Blind Ass (05/14/20 12:30 PM)


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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26670529 - 05/14/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yep. Once you know it's serious business you'll do it less but it'll feel like less of a bad trip and more of a regular one. I think humans naturally change emotions pretty quickly throughout the day, I at least know I will have some periods where I feel confident and talkative and happy and then soon after will find myself dwelling on something bad or feeling like a fuckup. I think tripping doesn't cause these kinds of good/bad thoughts, it just amplifies them. So I think if you get used to thinking of tripping as something where you have to take the good and the bad, because all of our minds are full of good and bad stuff alike, then it becomes more cathartic and you can become a little more confident

I think the very notion of 'bad trips' (unless it's an overdose in which case I can see that being pretty universally bad or challenging no matter what your mindset is) just comes from people who want mushrooms or LSD to be something they're not. Once you start feeling like 'wait a second this isn't as fun as I expected in fact it's a little scary' then it's a quick loop into accidentally scaring yourself with hallucinations and bad thoughts. If you realize it's still your mind, just amplified and a little more childlike then it's a little easier


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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: Mchinz94]
    #26670717 - 05/14/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Mchinz94 said:
...My partner found this experience so different from his previous, gentle trips that he suggested we might have taken the wrong dose accidentally or had ingested laced mushrooms, but shrooms are legal in Amsterdam and we purchased them from a large, registered shop. Could this be?

I’m quite inexperienced but I feel like this is not a normal expected experience on mushrooms. Can anybody help at all?






It doesn't sound like a pleasant trip but nothing sounds out of the ordinary at all to me as far as what mushrooms are capable of :shrug: . Just because you guys didn't have a gentle and "positive" trip doesn't mean the mushrooms were laced. Psychedelics can be serious business, it's not really a "walk in the park" or always rainbows & laughs. Things can get real serious and intense lol.




To me it just sounds like you guys had a "trip"/dose that was a bit more intense than you were expecting and since neither of you have much experience were caught off guard and didn't know what was going on and just spiraled into an anxious/negative place....Sounds like from the moment your partner mentioned "there was something not right, and it felt like the whole world shattered in half" that you both started to spiral into a negative head space.

Simply...it just sounds like you guys didn't know what to expect and don't have much experience with psychedelics, and ya'll had a dose that turned out to be more potent than you expected and it stirred up a bunch of anxiety/negative feels and that's the emotion/direction you guys got stuck in.




If you and your partner are teachers of yoga and meditation, did either of you try to use any of the techniques you guys know about to help calm & relax yourselves when things started to get too intense?

If you guys are teachers of such things I would have figured ya'll would have used techniques related to yoga & meditation to calm down and ground and center yourselves rather than eating chocolate and drinking OJ lol (tho yes, sometimes eating some sweets can help a little to sway someone out of a negative head-space while tripping, from the activity/distraction of eating something as well as putting some sugar/nutrition into one's system)....When ever I get a bit too far out with psychedelics and I'm feeling on edge, doing a simple meditation where I just sit and follow my breathe helps a lot to ground me, or doing various stretches/poses/movements with my body gives me something to focus on and move energy around rather than sitting around with a bunch of pent up anxious energy in my system.





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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: Mchinz94]
    #26670746 - 05/14/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wow sounds really scary but totally get where your coming from with the clinging on to reality part,I think the replies are really helpful and insightful as they make us understand that we are all different and expectations can play a big part on how we handle the experience.....thanks for posting amd thanks for the responses


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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: Shroomgirly]
    #26670873 - 05/14/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

All of the comments above pretty much cover it!


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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: Jimmy Sage]
    #26671014 - 05/14/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Jimmy Sage said:
All of the comments above pretty much cover it!




Totally agree


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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: Shroomgirly]
    #26671021 - 05/14/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A 9 hour trip with 48 hours of residual visuals..?

Maybe the residual visuals were normal but that whole trip sounds off to me.

Ants and clowns and what have you...?


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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: Enkidu]
    #26671050 - 05/14/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for all the wonderful replies! So helpful and lots of brilliant insight. Thank you community ??


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Re: Philosophers Stone (bad trip!) [Re: Mchinz94]
    #26673697 - 05/15/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It sounds normal but intense. The best thing is to allow yourself to be part of it and not trying to get away.


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