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My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip?
    #26662204 - 05/10/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hello everyone!  I want to share my whole first 'trip' experience and ask if anyone knows what the hell happened....  So to start, I am a 36 year old male.  I drink occasionally and smoke weed regularily.  I have an extremely high tolerance for weed edibles which basically means they dont get me high.  Everyone always says the same thing as in they werent strong enough or i didnt have enough.  Thats not true, i have tried many many times and found i get a slight buzz at about the 150mg mark, making it fairly pointless when everyone else gets high off a 10mg gummie...  Anyways maybe this is related..

So I purchased some shrooms online here in canada from the same site i get my weed from.  I have researched shrooms for a while and am very intrigued to feel these experiences i have heard so much about.  I am not overly spiritual but I would like to think I have a grasp on how small everyday things are in the grand scheme of reality.  So I bought an ounce of what were called Blue Meanies. 

I had decided to trip alone as I really dont have any friends I can think of that would be into this.  I live with my girlfriend in a small condo and she isnt into this stuff either but doesnt care what i do. 

It was yeasterday, a Saturday.  I had planned all week since the day my shrooms arrived for this day.  I had prepared a playlist, watched countless youtube videos and could describe my feelings as 80% excited and 20% nervous.  Nervous because I didnt want to overdue it and wasnt sure exactly how 'with it' id be under the influence. 

It was 1130am and my girlfriend left for work.  I was home alone with our two cats and a gerbil.  I hadnt eaten anything yet.  I chopped up 2 grams of shrooms and combined them in a blender with a little bit of frozen fruit and coconut milk and made a smoothie thing. 

12:40pm -  I put on my playlist, and throw on a baseball game on tv because I love baseball and it calms me.  I take my first sip after a bit of pumping up.  i say i'll sip it over 20 minutes but i ended up finishing it in like 7.  I wait for the effects.  before long my playlist is over, and I spent the last hour and a half playing the "i just smoked weed for the first time and i dont know if im high or not" game...  I was not...  At all...

2:15pm - I look online and see if it could take this long.  Some posts seem to say just wait, could take 2 hours.  So im hoping thats it..  I decide to smoke weed.  I smoke some a get my usual buzz. 

3:30pm - Im figuring now I'm not gonna feel effects.  I think maybe its my weed edible tolerance although Im not sure that even makes sense scientifically...  But thought fuck it, I stayed happy and in a good mood for this long and dont want to start to feel frustrated.  So, attempt number 2.  I grind up 1 gram and put it in a small tupperware.  I squeeze a lemon into the tupperware and let it soaked for 15 minutes.  I then slam it and chase it with a little water.  I return to the couch.

4:00pm - By this time I am starving because I still havent eaten all day.  I decide if nothing happens by 4:30 I'm going to give up, order food, smoke weed and carry on with my evening.

4:30pm - I order Curry.  I start to smoke weed and notice im getting quite high.  So im thinking, if nothing else, the shrooms seem to intensify my high.  So i smoke more and more and get higher and higher.  Kind of like the first time i smoked weed.  So i know its not just the weed making me feel this way.  I look for 'shroom' signs.  I stare at our hardwood floor and i can see the grains moving slighlty.  But if I break my stare it goes away. the curry was delicious.

This all lasted about 3-4 hours.  So i was ok with being extra high but I dont think I had any shroom type experience.  My thoughts are either I received a really weak batch.  I somehow have a high tolerance.  I did it wrong.. (which i doubt because 15 year old kids get it right).  Or everybody who has ever done shrooms is blowing it WAY out of proportion...  (Doubt that one)  So my concerns now are, I 100% want to try again.  The lemon dose seemed to have some effect.  Should I do like 2 Grams with lemon?  or maybe 3 all at once.  Or because of what happened I should take like 5g?  I dont know if just somehow that dose was weaker than the rest of them...  And what happened to that first 2 grams i ate when i felt nothing after 3 hours?  Im confused and honestly a little discouraged after how excited I was.  Any help is MUCH appreciated....


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: tintedlincoln]
    #26666471 - 05/12/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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My thoughts are either I received a really weak batch.





That's possible, especially if the grow was multi-spore, they were improperly dried, etc. Always a risk when you get it from unknown sources. Pick your own (if you are in an area where they grow) or grow your own (with the suggestion being the latter).

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I somehow have a high tolerance. 





This is possible. Some people have seemingly unnaturally high tolerance to certain substances. But this will be hard to figure out unless you have a high degree of certainty about the potency of your mushrooms.

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I did it wrong.. (which i doubt because 15 year old kids get it right).





I like to fast 6 hours before my trips. I find having any food before or directly with my mushrooms dulls the experience. So it depends on how much fruit and coconut milk you added. Either way, I'd suggest fasting before hand.

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Or everybody who has ever done shrooms is blowing it WAY out of proportion





Experiences are subjective. What one may feel to be incredibly profound, another may experience it as a tickle, metaphorically speaking. And although people may exaggerate some of their experiences at times, I assure you most do not. And I assure you, the depth of the mushroom experience is endless. BUT at lower dose equivalent experiences, it can feel no more intense than being stoned from weed.
Take 3.5g+ of some average potency cubes and you'll start to see the picture opening up. Then you'll see that the rabbit hole is endless.


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So my concerns now are, I 100% want to try again. The lemon dose seemed to have some effect.  Should I do like 2 Grams with lemon?  or maybe 3 all at once.  Or because of what happened I should take like 5g?  I dont know if just somehow that dose was weaker than the rest of them...  And what happened to that first 2 grams i ate when i felt nothing after 3 hours?  Im confused and honestly a little discouraged after how excited I was.  Any help is MUCH appreciated....





That's the spirit! First off, make sure to dose all at one. Spreading it out will, more than likely, just extend the duration of your first dose. So 2g at first then 1g 1-2 hours later would still feel like 2g.
Asking "Should I take 3g or right to 5g" and not having any idea about the potency of your mushrooms is problematic. The best way would be to buy a larger batch, say 20g, grind them up to homogenize potency then take a test dose and from there gauge what dosage you should take for desired results.
And without knowing potency (and even if you knew the exact potency) trips can vary wildly based on a multitude of factors, most subconscious. So don't just jump into 5g, you may get much more than you bargained for.
It is important to note that, if you choose to experiment with mushrooms, you will have a variety of experiences and intensities on all doses. You may have a mind-blowing 3g experience one day and a month later a very lackluster one on the same dose. Set and setting play such a significant role that it may, in certain circumstances, be more important to the coming trip than dosage taken (although dosage will also always be important).

Most people do not spend a lot of times with mushrooms. They have one or a couple of experiences and make a judgment of the substance based on such a small sample size. Some swear it off because they had a bad trip due to set/setting, taking too much, etc while others think it's whatever after having a mild trip for those same reasons.


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26666735 - 05/12/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, that makes perfect sense and answers everything I wanted to know.  Thank you!  I did actually buy an ounce so I have 25 grams left.  I think my next move will be to grind 10 grams of that up.  Maybe put like 3 grams in some water and just slam that?  Or make it with tea?  But I like the idea of grinding a large amount to spread out the potency!  That's a great tip.  I'll try again this weekend and hopefully it gives me some more insight as to what 'Magic' these babies actually have!


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: tintedlincoln]
    #26666796 - 05/12/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Make sure to wait 1-2 weeks after your last dose to ensure returning to baseline tolerance.

I like to take 3g of powdered shrooms and either take them as capsules (I always encapsulate mine) or, sometimes, mix the powder into some OJ or lemon juice and slam that.


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26666845 - 05/12/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ok cool.  I took them last Saturday.  Was hoping to again this Saturday.  I'll go with the OJ.  I've heard that method come up a lot.  OK, sweet, starting to get psyched again.


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: tintedlincoln]
    #26666965 - 05/12/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you let them sit something acidic for 10-15 minutes, it will affect the come up. But come up is generally faster on powdered shrooms anyway.

If you just mix them into the juice and drink right away without letting them sit in the juice for too long, come up will be unaffected (at least in my experience).


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26667225 - 05/12/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Roger that.  Hopefully I'll have a much more interesting second trip to report..


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: tintedlincoln]
    #26667334 - 05/12/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you want to increase your chances of getting somewhere, make your set and setting as good as you can a few days before and the day if the trip. And, up the dose.

If you want to dive right into 5g, I’d highly recommend a sitter you can trust.

Either way, report back to us! I look forward to reading what you discover.
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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: tintedlincoln]
    #26668398 - 05/13/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Socrateshroom has given you lots of great advice there, OP. After such a lack-lustre trip, you will be fine trying again this coming Saturday. Get excited, look forward to a journey, with no pre-conceptions on what that journey will be. Take it as it comes. I would jump in at 3 or more probably 3.5g. I probably wouldn’t bother grinding up such a small stash, even considering multi spore is so variable. Either the whole ounce is weak, or you were very unlucky. And for that reason, do not jump straight to 5g, the next ones you take out the bag may just be strong....

Use scales, and weigh a selection of small, tall, thin, and fat; caps and stems. Best chance of homogeneity :thumbup:

Good luck, enjoy, and let us know how it goes.

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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26668546 - 05/13/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Good advice!  I was definitely leaning toward the 3-3.5g range.  Pretty sure I'll just split the difference as I do have a digital scale to help.  Oh and don't worry, I am excited!  I can't think of any reason I'd have a bad trip...  Except for the fact that its my 2nd first time and I'm alone.  But I'm not scared, only excited.  Maybe a tad nervous.  But I think being nervous is natural and helps with caution.  All in all I expect a great experience and am equally excited to come back with a cool story to share!


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: tintedlincoln]
    #26670515 - 05/14/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome, pleased for you. Nerves are natural, and don’t ever go away! 35 years experience, I’m taking a low dose tomorrow, and I’ve been nervous for about 4 days already! Never goes away, it’s part of the respect.

It might get intense on the come up. You might think you’re actually starting to lose your mind. You might think maybe you were premature in tripping alone. You might think all sorts of things. Just remember nothing is going to hurt you. It’s your mind. And when the waves get really strong, that’s when to get really excited. Accept everything without question and you will have an awesome headspace. I promise you.

Report back dude :thumbup:
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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26674681 - 05/16/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Time for blast off.  T-Minus 15min.  Hopefully we'll catch ya'll on the other side :wink:


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: tintedlincoln]
    #26675634 - 05/16/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Time for blast off.  T-Minus 15min.  Hopefully we'll catch ya'll on the other side :wink:




Hope it was profound!


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26678829 - 05/18/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I sorta chickened out but still had a somewhat successful time.  Long story short I only went with 2.8 grams ( up 0.8 grams from the first attempt).  My results were slightly better.  I definitely have an idea now of what to really expect.  I was completely fine the whole time.  I took the shrooms with some OJ first thing in the morning without eating.  About an hour later i wasnt really feeling it so i smoked some weed and that pretty much instantly got it working.  The parts of my day that i could definitively say was a shroom experience would be some movement of patterns in my hardwood floor and in the ceiling.  Also I'm not sure if this is anything or my imagination but it happened about 5-10 times.  But i was watching tv or movies during the trip and i would obviously zone out and start doing something else or thinking something.  Then it would seem like for no reason I would hear something on TV or in a song.  Usually it was backround noise but now and then i would just pick up a sentence.  It was always something that seemed to be speaking to me.
Some examples are, I was thinking stuff like " I wonder if I should give up trying shrooms.  then the sentence i would randomly hear would be " You cant do that, thats a terrible idea"...  those arnt exact quotes but stuff like that happened a lot and im not sure if its coinidence or my mind picking up on something.  The best one was we have an ad running here for all the frontline workers that is basically just a bunch of celebrities and athletes and such clapping.  Well at one point I was looking around and thought, wow, I can see it, I can see what shrooms are about.  I need to take more next time.  Then right then that commercial came on and it was people clapping for me. lol.  But i felt a little guilty pretending the applause for essential workers was for me doing shrooms... haha. 

Well not so much a long story short but all in all I think what i experienced this time would be a slightly stronger experience than my 2 gram dose.  which is a good thing because i only went up 0.8.  so the potency seems consistent..  Im disappointed I didnt get a stronger experience once again but feel better this time as i know its there and have a much better idea of dosage.  I dont think my setting is the best but its all i have to work with at the moment.  My next attempt is going to be in two weeks.  Im going to do it at night this time after the girlfriend goes to bed.  I'll take 3.5 grams, maybe even 4.  its a slightly slower journey than i planned but im still not discouraged.

One more note of an experience I'm unsure of.  I definitely had some thoughts, but I'm inside my head a lot so not sure how much i contribute to the shrooms.  Except at one point I was thinking about something and had my eyes closed and it felt like i was about to be sucked somewhere else.  I opened my eyes before that happened cause I was pretty tired throughout this and thought that I was about to fall asleep and didnt want that to happen.  So not sure if i should have went with it or if i would have fallen asleep... Also people say youre not hungry when on shrooms.  I was starving the whole time and at about the 2.5 hour mark was ordering food and eating. 

To summarize :  I'm sorry I dont have a cooler story for you guys but I will not give up until I can give the people what they want!  Definitely feel it was another mild yet slighlty stronger experience.  I need to take more.  And with a two week break I'm hoping that will help too.


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: tintedlincoln]
    #26679019 - 05/18/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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To summarize :  I'm sorry I dont have a cooler story for you guys but I will not give up until I can give the people what they want!  Definitely feel it was another mild yet slighlty stronger experience.  I need to take more.  And with a two week break I'm hoping that will help too.




Don't apologize! We have our own experiences and don't expect anything from anyone. And most of us on here know that not every experience is an "epic tale". Glad you tried again. Some comments:

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Long story short I only went with 2.8 grams ( up 0.8 grams from the first attempt).  My results were slightly better.  I definitely have an idea now of what to really expect.  I was completely fine the whole time.  I took the shrooms with some OJ first thing in the morning without eating.  About an hour later i wasn't really feeling it so i smoked some weed and that pretty much instantly got it working. 





I recommend going for an experience without smoking weed. This way you can gauge the strength and overall effects of the mushrooms. As someone who is inexperienced, I think it will be a valuable experience to understand the mushrooms on their own footing for you. The weed can come in later once you have a solid trip under your belt.

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Well not so much a long story short but all in all I think what i experienced this time would be a slightly stronger experience than my 2 gram dose.  which is a good thing because i only went up 0.8.  so the potency seems consistent..  Im disappointed I didnt get a stronger experience once again but feel better this time as i know its there and have a much better idea of dosage.  I dont think my setting is the best but its all i have to work with at the moment.  My next attempt is going to be in two weeks.  Im going to do it at night this time after the girlfriend goes to bed.  I'll take 3.5 grams, maybe even 4.  its a slightly slower journey than i planned but im still not discouraged.





So your experience sounds on the weaker side for 2.8g. Now there are a lot of factors in play here.
They include 1) Possible tolerance from last week 2) Weak mushrooms (could also be improperly dried thus the weight is inaccurate) 3) You have a naturally strong tolerance to mushrooms 3) Your set/setting 4) The weed diminished how you experience it (not common but anything is possible) 5) You consciously or subconsciously resisted the experience (happens a lot. If you fight against an experience, you could have either a bad trip or a diminished trip).

A few additional notes on this:

Don't waste your time watching T.V or distracting yourself in other ways. It is easy, on lower doses, to almost not feel the mushrooms if you are distracting yourself. I would suggest headphones with some good music and sit or lie down in darkness, eyes closed, going inward.


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One more note of an experience I'm unsure of.  I definitely had some thoughts, but I'm inside my head a lot so not sure how much i contribute to the shrooms.  Except at one point I was thinking about something and had my eyes closed and it felt like i was about to be sucked somewhere else.  I opened my eyes before that happened cause I was pretty tired throughout this and thought that I was about to fall asleep and didnt want that to happen.  So not sure if i should have went with it or if i would have fallen asleep...





When on a mushroom experience, you should always submit to where it is taking you. Close your eyes and go. That, in a sense, was resisting the possible experience. Lesson learned for next time.

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Also people say you're not hungry when on shrooms.  I was starving the whole time and at about the 2.5 hour mark was ordering food and eating. 





That isn't unusual on lower doses. Could have also been the weed. On higher doses I have no desire to eat until the very tail end of the experience. But everyone is different and if you fast, like I do, before a trip, it makes sense that at some point you'll be hungry.



Some tough love:

I've been where you are. Many have when they started this journey. Now, I'm no expert or "master" psychonaut but I've had enough experiences to come to a few key realizations. It looks to me as if your ego stopped you. Now don't take offense to that, the "ego" is something we all struggle with. My ego is loudest as I go to take my dose. It wants to put it off or forget it entirely. It wants to take less just to get "high". It doesn't want to be propelled down the rabbit hole where it may come face to face with the real me, or worse, may be shattered entirely. It will do everything to avoid the startling and, at times, uncomfortable reality of psychedelic experiences. And, many times, I have listened to it. Put away my dose or taken much less. And I regretted it. But the times where I stuck to my plans, took the dose I needed to take, were the best moments of my life. They weren't always easy, but I never regretted them like I did when expecting a "full trip that I can be in full control" of on a lower dose.

Mushrooms will take you where you want to go. But they require a certain amount of willingness on your part to get you there.
This is why I suggest taking a dose in a dark room, sitting or lying down with your eyes closed, with or without music (some like silent darkness others like music as a guide) and just let the experience wash over you. With that method even a 1g dose for me has felt profound. Not that it always will but it is easy not to feel a dose when I'm doing things to distract me from the experience (gaming, watching T.V). But in a dark, quiet room with some ambient or meditation music, I can notice the subtleties of the experience and go places I couldn't imagine in sober life.


Conclusive notes: You're experience seemed weak for 2.8g. I can get more effects than you described from 1g. But shroom potency varies along with a whole host of other factors. Take 2 weeks off, set yourself up a few days beforehand with some mindfulness meditation or be in nature and just reflect on the coming trip. Take a solid 3.5g dose, lye down, close your eyes and strap in. Don't fight the experience. Allow it to take you deeper than you're comfortable with if need be. Don't add any weed, alcohol, other drugs, just allow the mushrooms. If after all that you still feel very little, you have some pretty weak mushrooms. And everything I say is with love. Even a couple years into my experiences and I stumble around in this territory. You are not alone in your experiences and, should you choose to continue your psychedelic experimentation, you will find your footing eventually.


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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: tintedlincoln]
    #26680925 - 05/19/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, Socrateshroom is so thorough, OP. :thumbup:
I have found that so many times, ie. the trip not really starting until I smoked a joint. TheN I’d accelerate to the peak. Don’t know why it is. Though a few months back I tripped with 55g fresh Mazatapec; did not need any cannabis that night.
The stuff you describe, the random things you’d hear from the telly; they’re your thoughts dude. When you enter the psychedelic headspace, you gain access to many subconscious realms, your dreams, your memories, and all timelines from their beginning to their end; you can sometimes travel both backwards and forwards along these time lines. Everything you experience, is your sub-conscious, freed from the control of the Default Mode Network, coming to the fore. And then there’s the more metaphysical stuff.....

Take care
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Re: My first, Much anticipated, Highly Disappointing... Trip? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26686320 - 05/21/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, awesome, thanks for all the info!  It's really making me feel more comfortable with the situation.  I do think I'm restricting myself.  I'm ready to wait a full 2 weeks and will take 3.5 grams and stick to no technology.  I plan to do it at night and just sit out on my deck.  I'm sure after that I will have something meaningful to report and I'll have a much better understanding of what can be done with shrooms.  And once again, I thank you for the detailed responses!  It is very very helpful and I agree with everything you're saying and will take the advice.


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* Trip experience from my friend.....Her actual email to me Northernsoul 1,366 7 01/03/03 06:19 PM
by Northernsoul
* incredible Water Trip!!! kylej6996 1,613 4 04/05/06 08:46 AM
by Radioethiopia
* Tripping alone is dangerous!
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by Shroomopotamus
* Videogames while tripping blac 4,087 17 09/19/02 09:56 AM
by cookdandbombd
* Best tripping album.
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by valour
* frequency for maximum trips _tenshi_ 1,818 4 12/07/01 08:55 PM
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