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Adawg12
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What’s so good about Micro dosing
#26669985 - 05/14/20 04:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have Heard very little and have had no experience nor do I know anyone personally that has micro dosed before, but I want to know what most people who have micro dosed or still do what the benefits are and what the general feel of them are. Obviously if anyone has also had bad experiences with micro dosing as well id like to know, also how small is too small and how much is too big of dose.
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: Adawg12]
#26669992 - 05/14/20 04:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Search for James Fadiman on youtube. He's good. Most agree on the range of 0.2 - 0.3 gram of psilocybe cubensis dry. IME it could be much wider, like 0.03 - 0.4 One peculiarity is sensitivity seems to go up as you body gets familiar with mushroom microdoses. And later you need less to feel same effects.
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Adawg12
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Okay will definitely give that a worthwhile look, keen to hear what some people have to say about their personal experiences
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: Adawg12]
#26670012 - 05/14/20 05:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Microdosing is basically a type of Nootropic. A brain enhancer. A mood enhancer. Its like tripping but sober, at the same time.
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26670037 - 05/14/20 05:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Last year I experimented with micro dosing. I tried the every other day approach, the 5 days on 2 days off approach and the one day on two days off approach.
Always between 0.1g and 0.3g. I found 0.4g and above to be too high and I started feeling the effects to a degree that negatively affected me in the particular settings in which I was micro dosing.
My approach was as follows:
Micro dosing seems most effective when continued consistently for 1-2 months then stopped for the same period and resumed again (so basically cycled on and off)
My preferred approach was every other day.
0.2g was my sweet spot.
The effects (very dose dependent when micro dosing and as little as 0.1g could throw these off completely)
Increase energy
Anti-anxiolytic
Anti-depressive effects
Mind was a lot calmer (quieting of the default mode network)
Negative effects were rare BUT did occur here and there ( headache, lethargy, irritability)
These effects were noticeable, to a small degree, the day if micro dosing. However it took consistent use to see them be significant enough to impact my life.
Ultimate conclusions:
I enjoyed my micro dosing experiments but no longer consistently micro dose.
The immediate effects were too varied. This can most likely be mitigated by taking a completely sub perceptual dose (perhaps 0.1g). But I liked “feeling” them so I played around between 0.2 and 0.3g.
I had a slight “burnout” feeling after taking them too long. Nothing serious but just enough to throw me off a little.
I still micro dose here and there as a means to boost that particular day rather than take them long term for lasting changes. Why? Because I found that macro dosing is much more effective at making lasting and permanent changes or as a catalyst to realizations. Micro dosing was ineffective at helping me solve deep rooted issues and traumas. It was most effective at giving me a “good day”. It was too varied at increasing productivity (sometimes it did while other times not so much).
Important note: These are my experiences and yours will likely be different. I suggest to always test and experiment for yourself before making any definitive conclusions. Stay safe!
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: Socrateshroom] 2
#26670085 - 05/14/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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As of personal experience - i Love microdosing. I feel like microdoses align you towards being better version of you. For example if i do "wrong" things or negative with people they punish me and force to self reflect and change. It's simple magic.
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: Adawg12] 2
#26670095 - 05/14/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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neuro receptors become riddled with "plaque" in receptors we don't use because humans get stuck in patterns and lack diversity. When using mushroom, receptors we don't normally use force a connection, burning off the plaque (responsible for Dementia and Alzheimer's) which is why mushrooms are good for people with Alzheimer's or want to prevent mental diseases.
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I am following the "Fadiman Protocol" (look it up) with Pan Cyans, as i found Cubes to have too much bodyload. I take about 0.02 g dry, which is definitely noticeable but w/o the bodyload.
For the effects > what Socrateshroom says Plus it enhances the more subtle senses, so try to do sports, go into nature and meditate. It's a catalyst and helps the mind loosen up.
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: Bundokan]
#26671285 - 05/14/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the info guys, i think i might start a month long micro dosing regimen and see it for myself.
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: Adawg12]
#26671340 - 05/14/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Careful with long term microdosing can possibly cause heart problems.
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: oculodextro]
#26671472 - 05/14/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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oculodextro said: Careful with long term microdosing can possibly cause heart problems.
Oh really, don’t plan on doing it too long hopefully will be okay, but do have history of family having heart problems so I might be careful
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: Adawg12]
#26671583 - 05/14/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used LSD in sub-perceptual doses to open up creative ways of thinking. It gives you a slight glow and somewhat looser cognitive style that is good for art, music, ideation or writing.
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: oculodextro]
#26671603 - 05/14/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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oculodextro said: Careful with long term microdosing can possibly cause heart problems.
Wait what? Where did u hear this from?
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26672036 - 05/15/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: oculodextro]
#26672207 - 05/15/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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They also activate the 5-HT1D receptor, which induces vascular vasoconstriction in the brain and is thought to be how psychedelics treat cluster headaches.
I honestly don't get the whole micro-dosing movement. I like to have all kinds of experiences, except the ones I'm not aware of. I use LSD very traditionally, anywhere from 50-300mics
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: alephdog]
#26672256 - 05/15/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Really depends if you get anxiety/depression. I've tried all types of traditional meds for it and the side-effects are nasty and barely work better then placebo.
These seem to work on the same receptors as traditional anti-depressants, hell they found Prozac while researching LSD and Prozac is the first meds to sell over a billion dollars.
So the goal for me was to get away from tradtional meds without all the horrible side effects, and it worked after a month. When I feel the anxiety/depression kick back in I start a regimen for a few weeks. Maybe it's placebo too, but at least my dick works.
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: Adawg12] 1
#26672766 - 05/15/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I love micro dosing lsd, to me it's like the hidden / cheapest / non conventional societal anti depressant - the creativity, and appreciation for life itself really is enhanced, with (to me) zero side effects. I micro dose every few months (once every 3 days for a month) and have full trips at least bi monthly - defo an advocate for micro dosing and to my non drug using friends I show them Ted talks on the benefits and even though they may be anti drugs they have no answers to the explanations given on that platform
Edited by Shroomgirly (05/15/20 02:40 PM)
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: oculodextro]
#26672816 - 05/15/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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oculodextro said: https://thethirdwave.co/psychedelics-heart-risk/
Yeah, but if you read carefully, the article states that the real danger was from another drug that also happens to bind to serotoninergic rectors. They actually used Phen Phen as the comparison. In the author's defense, however, he admitted it was a bad comparison. lol Ya think? He also cited MDMA's possible heart danger, but, again, its only similarity to psilocybin and other hallucinogens is that they also bind to setotonergic receptors, basically mimicking the actions of serotonin Also, with Ecstasy, MDMA is actualy pharmacologically considered to be more related to amphetamines than to shrooms, LSD, etc.. So I would take this with a grain of salt. The author even admitted that there are no long term studies of microdosing with shrooms, he only advised caution due to the unfortunate grouping of it with other serotoninergic receptors. Which I suppose is a fair admonishment. Unfortunately, we have absolutely no idea what the long term effects of all of these psychedelic drugs have on the body.
One could make the holistic argument that artificially stimulating these receptors, convincing the body that you have an over-the-top serum serotonin level, may not be such a great thing to do to our systems, particularly in the long term. Its unfortunate that these drugs are all classified and scheduled the way they are. Because I am sure there are plenty of universities that would jump at the opportunity to do these studies for the purposes of peer review and publication. This could be a huge benefit to mankind.
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26672910 - 05/15/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Only time will tell, probably best to keep microdosing to a good schedule and not do it for years at a time. Don't want that pesky tolerance building up.
I think even Michael Pollan's book mentioned the heart thing, but been awhile since I read it.
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Re: What’s so good about Micro dosing [Re: Adawg12] 1
#26674048 - 05/16/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I did with mushrooms a couple of times in very small doses (never multiple days in a row). It enhanced my creativity and improved my mood and that was it. No other effects, but it was fun and a good experience. I enjoyed it.
I tried microdosing LSD, but the experience was just not very good, plus it's much harder to take a dose of LSD so small that you don't feel the effects/have visuals. Even 25ug still had visuals for me.
I honestly don't think that microdosing does anything positive (other than being an enjoyable experience and maybe enhancing creativity slightly). I think the benefits of psychedelics all come from high doses. The higher the dose the more the benefit as a general rule. But if you take too much well... That can often lead to disaster on a huge scale. But it can also lead to the opposite. It's a tough decision and a fine balance you have to try to strike between dose vs. the amount you can handle mentally.
Back in the 60s, there were two major groups of thought when it came to psychedelic therapy. One group (which I believe was called psycholytic) believed in low doses, the other group (called psychedelic) believed in high doses. Shulgin talks in pihkal or tihkal (I forget which) about a doctor who advocated for the low dose route for a long time, but ultimately was converted to a belief in high doses. Shulgin uses this to suggest that perhaps the psychedelic group might have had it right: that high doses are more effective.
That's what I believe. If the person can handle it mentally, I think a single dose of 5 grams of mushrooms is going to produce an immensely better outcome than 100 doses of 0.25 grams. But the downside is obvious: if the person can't handle it, it spells disaster for sure, maybe on an immense (possibly even life endangering) scale. People have been known to harm themselves or others under the influence of high doses. Some will also break things, scream their heads off, talk nonsense, strip their clothes off and run outside, or end up arrested. But I haven't heard about anyone doing that on 0.25 grams, and I doubt it would happen on that kind of dose.
So I actually support and advocate microdosing especially for beginners because the risk is as close to zero as you can get with a psychedelic. That makes it an immensely safe way to introduce someone to psychedelics, which is unusual given the nature of psychedelics.
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