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Help. New to growing.
    #26668947 - 05/13/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Right.
I have injected my
Spawn bag and want
To know when I will start
To see the mycelium.

It’s been three days now
And still no signs.

Is this normal?


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: ft116] * 1
    #26669030 - 05/13/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, germination can take up to 1-2 weeks and even longer if you're using a spore syringe


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: ft116]
    #26669033 - 05/13/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well first off it would depend on how much you injected and of what, hopefully a LC and not a spore syringe.
But anyways 3 days without any signs of growth isn’t uncommon, sometimes it is colonizing the grains in the center and you may not see it. Don’t worry about it quite yet.


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: Strainsfordaze] * 3
    #26669036 - 05/13/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: filthyknees]
    #26669194 - 05/13/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Right.


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: ft116]
    #26669310 - 05/13/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Youre not supposed to inject spores directly onto grain. Agar first then grain.


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26669393 - 05/13/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
Youre not supposed to inject spores directly onto grain. Agar first then grain.



Even though this is relevant, OP is obviously not at that point in learning.


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: mushhead]
    #26669563 - 05/13/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I mean, u can buy agar plates now so it cant be too hard.


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26669574 - 05/13/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

True, it isn't hard to learn how agar works, but keep in mind that some people learn in stages or levels.
'I'm used to shooting MS into BRF jars. So therefore I can do the same with Grain.' This statement is true because it does work and for someone learning mush cult it is a logical step up from BRF cakes to inoculate in such a way.
OP will none the less go through what most have, handing MS grain jars to contams or failure in germination.
He'll think as I did 'How can I stop these things from occurring?' which will lead him into the wet lab work of Agar, SAB environments, and Flow hood builds.
Hopefully by that time they are like most still and have gained experience from their failures. Happy cultivation.


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #26669611 - 05/13/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In a way, his entire cutlivation future will be descided by the desicion to put spores directly on grain.

How interesting :strokebeard:


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26669625 - 05/13/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26669679 - 05/13/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
In a way, his entire cutlivation future will be descided by the desicion to put spores directly on grain.

How interesting :strokebeard:



You could say I am by far the greatest example of this. I've been cultivating since 2011, registered on 2014, and only just barely the middle of 2020 have gotten skilled enough to use agar.
I've even completed my first Liquid Culture this year as well successfully.
For some it wont take 2 years of microbiology, a year of mycology self study, and then another few years experimenting with bulk rye grain.
Heck, I've only just barely gotten BRF cakes together successfully - You wont imagine how many times I've nakered that up royally.
My point is you can't just slap someone with a short 'use agar' post, they need to understand why you need to use agar; with failure comes understanding which in turn helps us grow.
I believe in you OP :3


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: Strainsfordaze] * 1
    #26669690 - 05/13/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The OP is just asking for some info and you guys are having a fag and discussing about guys learning curve.
LOL. Is this the teachers' room or what?..

Just wait and see. Depends what you have used really - but that you didn't say..


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: Speeker] * 1
    #26669695 - 05/13/20 11:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:tryingnottodie:
You're a lizard larry


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: mushhead]
    #26669704 - 05/13/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So are you then. Our last posts really are the same...


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: Speeker]
    #26669723 - 05/14/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Speeker certainly I am reptilian. I'm just saying that people need to have those real world failures to understand why agar is needed, the nagging I see everyone exhibit towards new cultivators, pushing them to a step they're not ready for and seeding uncertainty helps no one.


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: mushhead]
    #26669784 - 05/14/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So it sounds like its OK to inject spores onto grain, as long as u dont know better? Is that the new concensus?


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26669845 - 05/14/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Imo, better to inject spores to grain than to shy away from growing because everyone says you need better methods.

Ofc agar is the way to go, but as said earlier, for many people mss to grain is a starting point, and given enough time and enough failures every half serious cultivator will make the leap to agar.


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: PMBastian]
    #26669885 - 05/14/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

One can skip many things after the basics are OK.
It's a weird thing really.

I have always been in favour and done some weird experiments.
This is not one of them.. I'm a lazy bastard, so I have done some weirder things..
And even succeeded with them - sometimes..

Like someone sent me once an odd spore print. No idea what it was. I get these time to time..
So I just put it between some pieces of wet cardboard and outside to a balcony hot as hell
and went for a vacation. When I came back bunch of shrooms had emerged.
All quite rotten already but they looked much like some Conocybe spp. IDK really.

What I would skip, if anything, is the grains. I'd just suck it from the top of agar and inject to PCd straw, or whatever.


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Re: Help. New to growing. [Re: Speeker]
    #26669949 - 05/14/20 03:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

IMO, ppl should inoculate a few jars as well as few dishes with spores when they get their supplies. They can get some practice that way as well as possibly some shrooms sooner rather than later. If they get them to fruit, they will already see what things are supposed to look like when it's time for the real deal.


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