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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: Nichrome] 6
#27187288 - 02/05/21 12:59 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I recently had this after taking 5 grams of alleini. It was confusing and a bit dramatic because I felt like I was going to pee and poop on myself. I felt like I had morfed into a severely disabled, non verbal paraplegic person and could only grunt. It only lasted a few minutes but the whole experience impacted my life and work in a powerful way. I work and dedicate my life to helping and serving disabled people. This experience of having felt what seemed like being in a disabled person's body made me especially concious about putting forth my best effort in the work that I do.
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Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution 2
#26668428 - 05/13/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Before the lockdown, I haven't heard about wood lovers paralysis. However, this phenomenon kept me very busy during lockdown.
Literally 20 meters from house which is right next to the forest, is about a 100m x 10m area where wavy caps are thriving. It has been there for a year without me noticing, until it came under my attention and it literally felt I came across my own personal gold mine.
So everything started with a lot of excitement, until about 2 - 3 hours after ingesting f*** knows what quantity. I was busy playing games when suddenly I couldn't manage to press the buttons to play anymore, followed by a very blurred vision. I noticed that that paralysis was coming in waves.
Considering all of the above, this was my first wild mushroom hunt. The paralysis and the the blurred vision had me scared sh*tless to say the least.
I decided to go lie down and wait for the nightmare to pass. So after lying down I started to feel normal again after about 20 minutes. I decided to try and eat something, when the food started falling out of my mouth. The paralysis seemed to get worse as I moved a muscle (literally any muscle), and after a brief pause after the muscle is paralyzed, I get another chance to move the muscle again. The longer I pause, the more movement I manage to get out of the muscle when moving again.
So I decided to go lie down again for about an hour. After standing up again, and moving around I was confident this nightmare was over. That was when I decided to go to the shop...
When I was walking around in the shop, my legs got sloppy very quickly, I managed to grab a packet of chips and walked to the counter like someone with a very serious disability. Got out into the car and chilled for about 5 min. I then tried to reverse out and I couldn't properly get my foot down on the clutch, I couldn't drive!
I waited it out for another 15 minutes and tried again, and managed to get home. I decided to get as stoned as I can, drop a few Ambiens and get the day over with.
Initially after my experience I googled the paralysis, and doing a paralysis search on shrooms can be a bit awkward. A lot of people seem to have weird physical experiences somewhat confused with some sort of paralysis on shrooms which is what you come by doing a search on the paralysis. So I thought okay, let's leave it there and try to troubleshoot what exactly went wrong.
The Dose
Seeing that I didn't measure the dose in any way, the most obvious place to start was the dosage. I've eaten a lot of mushrooms before, but not so often fresh mushrooms. A dosage disorientation seamed very likely to me. This time I decided to dry out the mushrooms, consume it in a form I'm use to, and sort of know how much I'm eating without a scale. And again, paralyzed. This time I didn't panic, just lied on my back, and waited for the time to pass.
The Species
So it got me thinking, maybe I'm consuming the wrong mushrooms. Let's just be a bit more careful, which is very difficult when you're sure in the first place. *careful picking followed* And again, paralyzed....
The Pause
So I was sort of disgusted with the whole situation. Having all these "shrooms", not being able to use them. Let's just say it kept my mind busy....
The Research
So finally I stumbled across wood lovers paralysis. The species match, the experiences match, I knew okay, I got it.
So the sort of obvious guesses were pointed out by the sources talking about WLP:
1. The way the mushroom starts to rot at the top (The Bacterial Contamination Hypothesis) 2. The Dose Hypothesis, been there... 3. Substrate 4. Allergic reaction
Without too much effort I eliminated them one by one, paralyzed every time, except for substrate. The allergic reaction I "eliminated" with the use of Allergex.
EDIT: I forgot to mention the overwhelmingly opinion if you google the matter that tea works and takes away the paralysis, but tea didn't work one bit for me.
The substrate was a very challenging one. I had so many mushrooms growing in this 10m x 100m strip, but nothing in the grass.
So when our lockdown level dropped, I took a walk to the dam one day, and stumbled across probably two grams (dry) worth of wavy caps, and bingo...!
Took the mushrooms, had a good trip, and voila, no paralysis.
The Analysis
So I kept thinking about the whole situation and tried to differentiate between the two settings where the mushrooms are growing:
1. Wood substrate - The mushrooms had a very sort of protecting environment. Overhead trees, trees stumps everywhere giving them shelter, consistent humidity with a river right next to the entire strip where they grow.
2. Grass substrate - I've picked the mushrooms on the edge of a jeep track, are exposed to the sun, no shelter whatsoever for the mushrooms.
So the two scenarios got me thinking maybe the age of the mushroom is somehow the culprit.
The Retry
So I went out again, picking only the smallest of mushrooms from the wood substrate area.
And VOILA, I tripped without paralysis.
The Retry 2
I tripped without paralysis.
Conclusion
No I don't think I have it figured out, because I'm the only test subject.
People are not so keen to eat mushrooms to get paralyzed, and being an ethical person, I can't lie about the old mushies to give it to someone.
But, considering my experience, I'm sure as hell willing to put a lot of money on my personal hypothesis. My hypothesis obviously relates to The Bacterial Contamination Hypothesis. But, I must say, long before you start to see them rotten, they paralyze you. I've picked small mushrooms, medium mushrooms, large mushrooms and they paralyze you, because even small mushrooms can be old. But be sure to pick young mushrooms, and the paralyses seems to fade away with the younger you go.
All I'm saying, it has something to do with the age of the mushroom. If it passes a certain age, you get the paralysis. By the time them caps start waving almost 90 degrees, them waves hit you so hard and you fall to the ground. Doesn't sound too bad, but them waves keeping coming long after the tripping is over, and you literally start tripping....
Prove me wrong, that age is not the culprit.
Edited by syNtheticz0r (05/13/20 12:21 PM)
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 2
#26668465 - 05/13/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 2
#26672425 - 05/15/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very interesting topic with not many answers, so I would love to know what the rest of the community thinks. I've never experienced wood lover paralysis, and I've eaten a decent amount of wood lovers, but it seems like a rather horrible experience.
Where are you located/finding wavy caps this time of year?
Also, don't drive while tripping and especially while dealing with this paralysis.
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Could it be from environmental contaminates?
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: tryptkaloids] 2
#26900907 - 08/26/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Takes alot oer an extended period of time ime.
One morning after a near 10g experience (ridiculous tolerance) I couldn't move my fingers or toes...locked straight.
Took about 24 hours for them to start work I g again....slightly worrying and a sign to give it a break ..which I did.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: pineninja] 2
#26900922 - 08/26/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like vasoconstriction. Try to limit sugar in your diet for a few days ahead of time
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: tryptkaloids] 2
#26901154 - 08/26/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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its potency. I took 4-5 hrs to go 2.5 blocks. Broad daylight, talk about embarrassing. I was at the point where it didn't matter my perceived condition by passer by's, i could not make my limbs move. Even when after hours of crawling/sprawling on sidewalk i got to my apartment but couldn't make my arms/brains/fingers get my keys out and operate the lock. many many times have had the situation arise where i was crippled for real but never under 3.5 grams dry. Fresh it could hit anytime because that stuff is potent and its hard to gauge the amount ingested.
Ive been eating cyan/azzie for longer than i can remember(20+yrs), often times over doing it. From real life experience any time i do to much(3.5gr) it very likely will kick in. unless it is a particularly weak flush.
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NothingsChanged said: Coincidence I was in the area.

At the time where the graffiti on the left is, there was a construction trailer for their construction debris. I remember pulling myself into the trailer and staying there until I thought I could muster the strength to get across the street my entrance to my building. If you look in the background it took A lot of time and a lot of effort to get to that green awning which was the entrance to my building. It went out of the trailer,rest, get over to the side sidewalk, rest. get out to the middle of the road where the parking meters are,rest. get across the next stretch to the sidewalk in front of my building, rest. try to get in the building, rest, try to get up the stairs, rest. try to get down the hall, rest. try to get my apartment door open, rest. try to climb in the bed, rest. it was crazy.
Pardon my punctuation/Grammar what have you.
I can completely relate to your experience. The worst part of such an experience is knowing a helping stranger may cross your path. It is going to be difficult explaining your situation....
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: Itzpapalotl] 2
#27196448 - 02/09/21 10:08 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have experienced P. Cubensis maybe 300 times over the last 40 years, usually 2~3 grams; never had nor heard of wood lover's paralysis until experiencing it. A few weeks ago I had P. Cyanescens for the first time, 2 grams. I'm at 155 lbs body weight. They were picked last fall, in the Washington woods, dried and kept in a freezer. At the end when I was gathering my stuff I lost my balance a little but was able to make it to my car after a 1 mile trek with not much trouble. A couple of weeks later at the same place I took 2.4 grams of the cyans. This time afterwards it took me a couple of hours to walk the mile. I kept collapsing and resting after each time. I could hardly zip the zippers on my gear. Then a couple of weeks later I took 2.2 grams and coming down, took 2 Benadryl, and as I started to pack up, took another. This time symptoms of the paralysis were absent. I felt a little disoriented, but this species is apparently possessed of pretty high psilocybin content. I gave some of these to 2 women and was with them when they dosed, 2 grams each. They both experienced the paralysis, no Benadryl. One of them had trouble forming words.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: The Mycologist] 1
#26672288 - 05/15/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’m guessing that WLP is not very common?
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: mind.at.large] 1
#26672663 - 05/15/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’m located in the garden route, South Africa, one month from winter. I’m not going to be surprised if they grow all year round. Not always sure how the trees know what to do in this region.
What further makes the environment weird where I’m picking them is the human interference in the environment. Lot of cut trees lying on the ground with all these “dark holes” everywhere. The mushrooms seems to get very old in these dark holes. My suspicion, a paralysis breeding ground...
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 1
#26691330 - 05/23/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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very interesting
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New To Shroomery Need Help [Re: catmambell] 1
#26693323 - 05/24/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey I found mushrooms in a front lawn, here are some pictures could some one tell me what kind and if they are psilocybin mushrooms. Thankyou
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 1
#26831366 - 07/18/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think age is the culprit, but I don't have another hypothesis.
I have tripped many dozens of times over many years on Ps. Cyanescens, and never experienced paralysis.
Two days ago, for the very first time, I experienced wood lover paralysis on 3.5g dry Azurescens. I had tripped on 2g of the same batch (uniformly powdered and encapsulated) a month ago with no paralysis. So dose was the only variable this time. It was the second time only of ever using anything but Ps. Cyanescens (no cubes experience).
I picked the mushrooms this autumn small and seeming young, like 2-3 days after veils opening, nowhere close to rotting, in dune grass. I dried them carefully, before they showed any blackening or other breakdown, then powdered, mixed, capped, and deep froze.
Symptoms became apparent about 9 hours after dosing, after waking up in the middle of the night, post-trip. I might have felt earlier if I had been awake. I was unable to make simple adjustments to my camping equipment (pulling down on a tarp tensioner cord) because my abdominal muscles would go slack after less than 1 second of any exertion, and I'd sort of stumble backwards. Clumsy as hell. I could wait 5-10 seconds and then get another weak contraction, but gave up after 1-2 minutes of mildly freaking out and accomplishing little.
Then I tried to drink and couldn't keep the water in my mouth: lips went slack. Then I tried eating a sweet protein bar, and I slobbered all over myself for the same reason: lips wouldn't close. My tongue was very weak trying to push the food around to chew, and I bit the tip of it too, which still hurts 2 days later. Slept through to dawn, and felt a little weak but in charge of my body again.
So this is a thing I used to think didn't affect me. Now I know. I have more of the same batch. I will have benadryl on hand next time I try these, just in case.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: otherwhitemeat] 1
#26840682 - 07/23/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah man, its just a horrible experience!
I wouldn’t just jump in with the Benadryl....
Please let us know how it goes.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 1
#26850732 - 07/28/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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While reading online come across this problem time and time again - and I have a question to those who have experienced it.
You know how when your asleep/dreaming you are technically temporarily paralyzed - but sometimes you wake up partially, but your muscular-skeletal system is still “asleep”/paralyzed? Aka sleep paralysis - is that what Wood Lovers Paralysis is like?
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26872245 - 08/09/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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anytime i do more than 3.5 WL i could experience wlp, and i have many times. now i weigh them every time. potency is of my opinion.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26881581 - 08/15/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: While reading online come across this problem time and time again - and I have a question to those who have experienced it.
You know how when your asleep/dreaming you are technically temporarily paralyzed - but sometimes you wake up partially, but your muscular-skeletal system is still “asleep”/paralyzed? Aka sleep paralysis - is that what Wood Lovers Paralysis is like?
I know what you are referring, and no, its not what it’s like.
Firstly it’s not the entire body at the same time. It concentrates in the body part you want to move. You will be able to move whatever you want at first, and as you move the feeling disappears. It’s more comparable to the feeling of not having sufficient blood in the body part you want to move. And as previously indicated, it happens in waves.
I would estimate you were steering towards a psychological paralysis. The paralysis however feels very physical, which makes it shit scary, especially the first time. After my first paralysis the only thing that went through my mind were whether it is temporary or here to stay.
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NothingsChanged said: anytime i do more than 3.5 WL i could experience wlp, and i have many times. now i weigh them every time. potency is of my opinion.
It's difficult to challenge your argument. Obviously one would experience less WLP if you take less of the culprit.
Personally I think one should be very cautious of eating mushrooms that gives paralysis in higher doses, knowing that the WLP is at play, just at an lesser extent. One wonders whether WLP have any long lasting effect on the body, considering the potential neurotoxins at play.
Edited by syNtheticz0r (08/18/20 11:23 PM)
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 1
#26893417 - 08/22/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've gotten some similar reactions when taking large doses of cubes, (above14g) and also when I took 10g the day after a bridgesii trip, felt like an extreme body load like the mush flushed out extra alkaloids left by the cacti, and usually more pronounced with fresh shrooms.
I've yet to take woodlovers so cant relate there, but your stories are very familiar with experiences ive had...
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