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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
#26667603 - 05/12/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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See, I can be wrong and still feel good about my self.
So, whatever you say or have said is, and will always be, correct.
Don't change your mind. You might melt.
Here's a list. You figure it out, smarty pants.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus
H1N1 caused "Spanish flu" in 1918 and the 2009 swine flu pandemic H2N2 caused "Asian flu" in the late 1950s H3N2 caused "Hong Kong flu" in the late 1960s H5N1 considered a global influenza pandemic threat through its spread in the mid-2000s H7N9 is responsible for an ongoing[when?] epidemic in China and considered to have the greatest pandemic threat of the Influenza A viruses H7N7 has unusual zoonotic potential H1N2 is currently endemic in humans and pigs H9N2, H7N2, H7N3, H5N2, and H10N7.
H1N1 is currently pandemic in both human and pig populations. A variant of H1N1 was responsible for the Spanish flu pandemic that killed some 50 million to 100 million people worldwide over about a year in 1918 and 1919.[43] Another variant was named a pandemic threat in the 2009 flu pandemic. Controversy arose in October 2005, after the H1N1 genome was published in the journal, Science, because of fears that this information could be used for bioterrorism.[citation needed] H1N2 Main article: Influenza A virus subtype H1N2 H1N2 is currently endemic in both human[citation needed] and pig populations. The new H1N2 strain appears to have resulted from the reassortment of the genes of the currently circulating influenza H1N1 and H3N2 subtypes. The hemagglutinin protein of the H1N2 virus is similar to that of the currently circulating H1N1 viruses, and the neuraminidase protein is similar to that of the current H3N2 viruses. The Asian flu, a pandemic outbreak of H2N2 avian influenza, originated in China in 1957, spread worldwide that same year during which an influenza vaccine was developed, lasted until 1958 and caused between one and four million deaths. H3N2 Main article: Influenza A virus subtype H3N2 H3N2 is currently endemic in both human and pig populations. It evolved from H2N2 by antigenic shift and caused the Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968 and 1969 that killed up to 750,000.[44] "An early-onset, severe form of influenza A H3N2 made headlines when it claimed the lives of several children in the United States in late 2003."[45] The dominant strain of annual flu in January 2006 was H3N2. Measured resistance to the standard antiviral drugs amantadine and rimantadine in H3N2 increased from 1% in 1994 to 12% in 2003 to 91% in 2005.[46] "[C]ontemporary human H3N2 influenza viruses are now endemic in pigs in southern China and can reassort with avian H5N1 viruses in this intermediate host. H5N1 H5N1 is the world's major influenza pandemic threat. "When he compared the 1918 virus with today's human flu viruses, Dr. Taubenberger noticed that it had alterations in just 25 to 30 of the virus's 4,400 amino acids. Those few changes turned a bird virus into a killer that could spread from person to person."[47] H5N2 Main article: Influenza A virus subtype H5N2 Japan's Health Ministry said January 2006 that poultry farm workers in Ibaraki prefecture may have been exposed to H5N2 in 2005.[48] The H5N2 antibody titers of paired sera of 13 subjects increased fourfold or more.[49] H5N9
A highly pathogenic strain of H5N9 caused a minor flu outbreak in 1966 in Ontario and Manitoba, Canada in turkeys.[50] H7N2 Main article: Influenza A virus subtype H7N2 One person in New York in 2003 and one person in Virginia in 2002 were found to have serologic evidence of infection with H7N2. Both fully recovered. In North America, the presence of avian influenza strain H7N3 was confirmed at several poultry farms in British Columbia in February 2004. As of April 2004, 18 farms had been quarantined to halt the spread of the virus. Two cases of humans with avian influenza have been confirmed in that region. "Symptoms included conjunctivitis and mild influenza-like illness."[52] Both fully recovered. H7N7 Main article: Influenza A virus subtype H7N7 H7N7 has unusual zoonotic potential. In 2003 in the Netherlands, 89 people were confirmed to have H7N7 influenza virus infection following an outbreak in poultry on several farms. One death was recorded. H7N9 Main article: Influenza A virus subtype H7N9 On 2 April 2013, the Centre for Health Protection (CHP) of the Department of Health of Hong Kong confirmed four more cases in Jiangsu province in addition to the three cases initially reported on 31 March 2013.[53] This virus also has the greatest potential for an influenza pandemic among all of the Influenza A subtypes. Low pathogenic avian influenza A (H9N2) infection was confirmed in 1999, in China and Hong Kong in two children, and in 2003 in Hong Kong in one child. All three fully recovered.[51] H10N7 Main article: Influenza A virus subtype H10N7 In 2004 in Egypt, H10N7 was reported for the first time in humans. It caused illness in two infants in Egypt. One child’s father was a poultry merchant. Researchers from the National Institutes of Health used data from the Influenza Genome Sequencing Project and concluded that during the ten-year period examined, most of the time the hemagglutinin gene in H3N2 showed no significant excess of mutations in the antigenic regions while an increasing variety of strains accumulated. This resulted in one of the variants eventually achieving higher fitness, becoming dominant, and in a brief interval of rapid evolution, rapidly sweeping through the population and eliminating most other variants.[57]
In the short-term evolution of influenza A virus, a 2006 study found that stochastic, or random, processes are key factors.[58] Influenza A virus HA antigenic evolution appears to be characterized more by punctuated, sporadic jumps as opposed to a constant rate of antigenic change.[59] Using phylogenetic analysis of 413 complete genomes of human influenza A viruses that were collected throughout the state of New York, the authors of Nelson et al. 2006 were able to show that genetic diversity, and not antigenic drift, shaped the short-term evolution of influenza A via random migration and reassortment.The evolution of these viruses is dominated more by the random importation of genetically different viral strains from other geographic locations and less by natural selection. Within a given season, adaptive evolution is infrequent and had an overall weak effect as evidenced from the data gathered from the 413 genomes. Phylogenetic analysis revealed the different strains were derived from newly imported genetic material as opposed to isolates that had been circulating in New York in previous seasons. Therefore, the gene flow in and out of this population, and not natural selection, was more important in the short term.
Different influenza viruses encode for different hemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins. For example, the H5N1 virus designates an influenza A subtype that has a type 5 hemagglutinin (H) protein and a type 1 neuraminidase (N) protein. There are 18 known types of hemagglutinin and 11 known types of neuraminidase, so, in theory, 198 different combinations of these proteins are possible.
Looks like humans have been battling influenza strains for quite some time now.

Oh, but this isn't flu, remember. Damn, wrong again.
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead] 5
#26667611 - 05/12/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for your contributions to this thread.
Your insults mean more than you know.
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead]
#26667778 - 05/13/20 12:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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HamHead said: Thanks for your contributions to this thread.
Your insults mean more than you know.
How’d you get banned? Lol
Edit: maybe you won the lottery? I see you bought a ticket
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
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koods said: I’m applying to be a contact tracer
It pays $25 an hour in Boston, they hired over 1000 so far.
In the UK they are advertising for volunteers.
Edited to save space and provide link.
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Love how all the CDC warriors in this thread constantly turn to personal attacks. Moral superiority sure doesn't smell too nice.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead]
#26668038 - 05/13/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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HamHead said: See, I can be wrong and still feel good about my self.
So, whatever you say or have said is, and will always be, correct.
Don't change your mind. You might melt.
Here's a list. You figure it out, smarty pants.
HamHead was a CDC warrior that turned to personal attacks and then melted and banned himself?
Seems to me like the stress of trying to maintain an untenable position got a little too much for him.
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No, don't be obtuse.
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You now used a personal attack which means... you're a CDC warrior?
Fuck, I can't even keep up anymore. What is the world coming to?!?!?
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Jokeshopbeard said: You now used a personal attack which means... you're a CDC warrior?
Fuck, I can't even keep up anymore. What is the world coming to?!?!?
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#26668061 - 05/13/20 06:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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We are at the stage where the CBC (national funded news organization) is tying basically everything in with covid for more clicks but have sussed out a few really concerning matters
We have a government minister calling for improved racial data collection in order to better serve First Nations communities in the pandemic as the previous h1n1 response was so notoriously bad
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Canada must improve its COVID-19 data collection efforts for First Nations, Inuit and Métis communities if it wants to better understand how the novel coronavirus is impacting Indigenous people across the country, Indigenous Services Minister Marc Miller said Saturday.
"We are learning from past experience with responding to pandemics in Canada ... that we need to recognize and understand [Indigenous populations] have a higher risk of being disproportionately impacted by COVID-19," Miller said. "Along with better access to testing, we are acutely aware of the need to do better, more robust and routinely collected disaggregated data."
When it comes to collecting confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Indigenous communities, only First Nations living on reserve are accurately captured, Miller said, because those communities fall under his department's jurisdiction.
The collection of data for all other Indigenous groups is the responsibility of provincial and territorial public health authorities, which don't always require individuals to self-identify when undergoing testing at local centres.
That means it's not clear how many positive cases there are among First Nations people living off-reserve or in the Métis Nation. Miller added that COVID-19 data are also less accurate when it comes to those living outside Inuit Nunangat — the homeland of the Inuit in Canada. His office told CBC News that data collection is better for Inuit living in their traditional homeland, but less detailed for those living in other areas, such as urban centres.
In many cases, individuals belonging to those groups become part of provincial and territorial data systems, making it harder to tease out precisely who's behind the numbers and resulting in less accurate modelling.
During the federal government's public health briefing Saturday, Miller called on the provinces, territories and Canada's public health agency to help close the gap.
"To be frank, the data my department provides is limited by what is being collected," he said.
which masks just how severely cases may be hitting particular communities
and the previous concerns of underfunding of First Nations communities is now coming up as a court challenge against the government as being discriminatory underfunding under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms
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An organization that represents off-reserve status and non-status First Nations people, Métis and southern Inuit is taking Ottawa to court over what it says is inadequate and "discriminatory" COVID-19 aid funding.
The Congress of Aboriginal Peoples (CAP) is filing for a judicial review with the Federal Court on Wednesday over Ottawa's funding levels to the organization, which it argues were discriminatory under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, according to a statement from the organization.
"The application seeks to address the fact that despite the federal government's laudable goals, the funding allocations have been discriminatory and at the expense of the doubly-disadvantaged Indigenous population served by CAP," said the statement.
"The large majority of Canada's Indigenous population lives off-reserve and this court action addresses the needs of this population," said the statement.
meanwhile, as a result of isolation protocols First Nations women are facing increased instances of abuse
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With reports of a sharp rise in violence against Indigenous women as COVID-19 restrictions keep families stuck in their homes, concerns are being raised about whether the pandemic could delay the promised June delivery of a national action plan on missing and murdered Indigenous women.
The Native Women's Association of Canada has been conducting a series of nation-wide, grassroots consultations with their local member offices and with Indigenous women to determine how COVID-19 has been affecting First Nations, Inuit and Metis women in Canada.
The preliminary results reveal a deeply concerning spike in the number of Indigenous women who say they are facing more violent incidents since the pandemic began, often by an intimate partner.
A survey of more than 250 Indigenous women found one in five reporting they've been a victim of physical or psychological violence over the past three months.
which is a point of data collection that reflects another heartbreaking reality that child abuse is being underreported due to children being isolated with their abusers and away from other figures that may pick up on what is going on
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A B.C. doctor is sounding the alarm over an uncharacteristic drop in the number of child abuse reports to the province's Ministry of Children and Family Development since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic — which could mean more than 1,000 cases have gone unreported.
Reports of child abuse from late March to early May are down 23 per cent, compared to the the same time last year, and down and 29 per cent from 2018, according to Dr. Nita Jain from B.C.'s Children's Hospital (BCCH).
That amounts to up to 2,000 fewer reports of child abuse than usual over the six-week period. CBC News confirmed the numbers with the MCFD.
As many families self-isolate due to physical distancing measures, Jain fears instances of child abuse are going unnoticed.
"With physical distancing measures, what happens is we all end up in our homes and children are not as visible as they typically are when they are out and about within the school system, and within the daycare system," said Jain, who is the medical director of the hospital's child protection service unit.
shit has got me feeling all kinds of defeated and depressed
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Imagine calling people "CDC warriors" and implying that THEY have a superiority complex.
The fundamental mistake conspiracy theorists make is splitting up the world into an Us and Them dichotomy. When you dig into the details, you found out it's always the case that some of the people you thought were only Us are also Them, and vice versa. The trick to gaining nuance when you can't abstract your way into it is to just meet and build trust relationships with those people. If you can't trust random doctors and nurses on TV, ask yourself who you can trust. There are psychonauts and free thinkers in every field, including medicine (Ben Sessa) and epidemiology (Larry Brilliant). The approach that anyone with an ounce of humility would take in this situation is to pay attention to these people. It's not hard, you can follow them on Facebook, you can read their books. Hell, you can send them a message on facebook and they'll frequently respond, as long as you're respectful. Try it.
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morrowasted said: Imagine calling people "CDC warriors" and implying that THEY have a superiority complex.
The fundamental mistake conspiracy theorists make is splitting up the world into an Us and Them dichotomy. When you dig into the details, you found out it's always the case that some of the people you thought were only Us are also Them, and vice versa. The trick to gaining nuance when you can't abstract your way into it is to just meet and build trust relationships with those people. If you can't trust random doctors and nurses on TV, ask yourself who you can trust. There are psychonauts and free thinkers in every field, including medicine (Ben Sessa) and epidemiology (Larry Brilliant). The approach that anyone with an ounce of humility would take in this situation is to pay attention to these people. It's not hard, you can follow them on Facebook, you can read their books. Hell, you can send them a message on facebook and they'll frequently respond, as long as you're respectful. Try it.
How can a brick wall be respectful?
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Lotta things likely slipping thru the cracks rn with this shit. I never considered child abuse not being reported due to kids not being in school. Thanks for raising awareness.
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InfiniteDreams said: How can a brick wall be respectful?
A brick wall tends to mind its own business. It provides a barrier between you and danger. It protects people from hurricanes and tornadoes. It can stop a car going at a high rate of speed, protecting others. It stays up for long periods of time, not requiring much repair or maintenance. It's the strong, silent type.
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Ha, I'm a CDC warrior but I also quote WorldEconomics, NYT, Business Insider, independently reported state excess mortality data, and Trump's head of Infectious Disease? Is Fox News more your style?

The fact that the deaths are most likely higher than the reported number isn't all that important considering the number of people with COVID is also likely much higher, so the death rate itself is probably still around where most people agree it is. It's just annoying when people try to minimize the importance of facts and data to fit their agendas... facts don't care about your opinion.
People minimizing and not taking the virus seriously will likely only do the opposite of what we want and prolong getting everything open again and getting people out putting money into the economy. If everyone was actually on the same page with simple things like masks/hygiene and sensible social distancing we could limit future surges and things would go much more smoothly. Just because we wish things were back to normal doesn't mean there's an instant/easy way to get there. The reopen process has already started and now it's just on people to act responsibly and not make it worse than it has to be.
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I'm wishing this thread was more on topic. Can we kick ignorant posts to the conspiracy sub?
I see 30 new posts, think oh something relevant is posted. Que the dog chasing it's own tail posts and then dog's posts about how it isn't their own tail, the tail is actually not a tail ect ect.
It's just frustrating and drowns out relevant posts.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/pasadena-covid-coronavirus-cluster/6173576/
It's kind of like going to a party positive with covid while denying that it is real.
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I think it better to accept that - like everywhere else - one will have to sift through the mire here in order to find the worthwhile nuggets.
I don't think asking anybody to put in work to tailor the info you receive so you have less work to do to find the good stuff is a reasonable request in this life, personally.
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ReposadoXochipilli said: I'm wishing this thread was more on topic. Can we kick ignorant posts to the conspiracy sub?
It's tough because none of us here is expert enough on the situation to be any sort of arbiter of truth, possibly no one in the world is right now. Limiting speech is a slippery slope.
It's gotten to the point where there's a handful of posters though who just drop in to post the "truther" stuff that's already been shown to be BS and not helpful to anyone. Then that causes pages of people trying to correct them with the facts, which probably ends up being helpful to no one because they're so rooted in the theory they saw on youtube or whatever.
It's annoying but as JSB said it's something that we'll just have to sift through. I think I'm pretty much done trying to argue with the immovable few on here, it's pretty fruitless when you overwhelm someone with data about COVID deaths and their response for some reason is to quote an entire wikipedia page for H1N1 with no context or actual relevant point regarding the factually inaccurate theory they were promoting.
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