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Psilocybe sp. Spore ID?
    #26667502 - 05/12/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Could a couple of the trusted identifiers please come lay eyes on these?

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26606840/fpart/all


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Re: Psilocybe sp. Spore ID? [Re: murderlabz] * 1
    #26667529 - 05/12/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

While the spore size matches both P. stuntzii and P. ovoids, many are on average a bit narrower, which fits P. stuntzii better.  It's not enough of a difference to be sure.

I also see more oil droplets in P. ovoideocystidiata spores than P. stuntzii, and I am not seeing many oil droplets in these spores, so perhaps that favors ovoideocystidiata, or maybe there are other reasons this could differ.

A quick look at the gill edge would tell for sure, hopefully you have more than just a spore print.

Here's the spore sizes in the spore images in the linked thread:

(8.8) 9.2 - 10.5 (10.8) × (4.9) 5.3 - 6.5 (6.6) µm
Q = (1.4) 1.5 - 1.9 (2) ; N = 23
Me = 9.8 × 5.8 µm ; Qe = 1.7


9.23 6.12
10.14 5.47
9.80 5.67
8.81 5.53
9.29 6.55
9.17 5.99
8.88 4.94
9.59 5.53
10.26 6.06
10.70 6.42
9.86 5.97
10.21 6.44
9.84 6.58
9.63 5.92
10.76 5.97
10.24 6.55
9.22 5.30
10.20 5.28
9.68 6.06
9.44 5.50
10.22 5.64
10.51 5.20
9.94 5.74


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Re: Psilocybe sp. Spore ID? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26668214 - 05/13/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Alan thank you for taking the time. Is there other places then http://alvalab.es/ you would recommend for DNA? The OP is in the US.


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Re: Psilocybe sp. Spore ID? [Re: murderlabz]
    #26668823 - 05/13/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There are others but they are more expensive and they are shut down due to the virus.


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Re: Psilocybe sp. Spore ID? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26669748 - 05/14/20 12:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sequencing is not necessary as P. ovoideocystidiata has such distinct cystidia, a quick look at the lamellae under the microscope would provide an answer.


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Re: Psilocybe sp. Spore ID? [Re: inski] * 1
    #26670007 - 05/14/20 05:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sequencing is not necessary as P. ovoideocystidiata has such distinct cystidia, a quick look at the lamellae under the microscope would provide an answer.




Could be interesting though, as it appears as though there could be two phylogenetic species going under the name P. stuntzii.


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Re: Psilocybe sp. Spore ID? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26670541 - 05/14/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Definitely interesting, I would rule out P. ovoideocystidiata with microscopy then look at getting sequences.


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Re: Psilocybe sp. Spore ID? [Re: inski] * 1
    #26681358 - 05/19/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Microscopy 1000x stained with Congo red + KOH

ovoid pleurocystidia



Spores



Lamellar trama



Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata confirmed!


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Re: Psilocybe sp. Spore ID? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26681781 - 05/19/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:hereyougo:


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