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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Asante]
    #26665780 - 05/12/20 04:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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SuperBadTransmittableContagiousAwfulVirus




Stopped when she started with "if we don't do it we're all going to die".

Speak for yourself lady.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26665816 - 05/12/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Fucking stupid and pissed me off. Whats the point of any of that. If your not going to be of any use at all how about just shut the fuck up. How dare this women sing and dance and sashay across my screen like a duracell battery. So smug arrogant and patronizing. This person should be put in jail for wasting resources and peoples time.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
    #26665853 - 05/12/20 06:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yeah yalls contributions to society are way better


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: brk]
    #26665858 - 05/12/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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A law passed last month in Australia making it illegal to enter any aged care facilities without a flu shot. Even though we only work in the gardens all my employees had to get one and no one complained. Although It's a pain in the ass, 'don't kill my grandma' seems like a reasonable request. I imagine it will be the same eventually for Covid.




Okay, let me start by saying I'm definitely pro vaccines and definitely pro "don't kill my grandma".

I don't get a flu shot.  Honestly, sometimes the strain they vaccinate for isn't what's going around.  I'm also kinda sketchy about getting all different kinds of dead virus in me every year.

What worries me about the COVID vaccine...at least right now...they're rushing it out to be distributed in super mass quantities.  That's what worries me.  I don't think they're putting microchips in there or (insert conspiracy theory here), but we won't know how this vaccine will sit with folks 20 years from now.  It could be years before we realize there's an issue with maybe a certain batch of vaccine and it really fucks some people up.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #26665859 - 05/12/20 06:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Fucking stupid and pissed me off.



Wow. That silly video - just one in a world of a billion silly videos - really did chap some bottoms.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26665862 - 05/12/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

people are getting distracted by the fact that the actual CFR is lower than the highest figures originally calculated


yall are the dupes for buying into the highest figures in the first place

if the CFR is anything more than about 3x what that of the flu is, the disease will cause massive logistical problems

a failure to understand that is simply a reflection of lack of experience working in a medical setting

you dont really need to know the CFR to know that the disease is far more deadly, you just count the actual rate at which people dying of it, unless you're assuming r0 is like 5-10x that of the flu, which it ain't.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 1
    #26665864 - 05/12/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't think they're putting microchips in there or (insert conspiracy theory here)



I got told last night by my local conspiracy theorist that Bill Gates is shifting his attention to lab grown meat, so y'all might be safe from his mind control (or whatever) intentions if/when a vaccine comes out.

Just don't eat his meat, ya hear?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #26665865 - 05/12/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe he's harvesting people for his new operating system...Windows Soylent...compatible with AI.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 3
    #26665878 - 05/12/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not even looking at the deaths, the hospitalization rate even for younger people is pretty alarming. A few weeks back, the hospital my wife works for had 200+ on the COVID wing and half were under 45. The flu doesn't do anything close to that, nothing they've ever seen before does.

From my limited experience with it here it does appear on the surface like there are different strains with varying severity, though I'm probably wrong.

My cousin who got hospitalized either got it or spread it at a night out at a bar with family. They all got completely wiped out for weeks, she got the worst of it and is still down and out 7 weeks later. A homeless shelter in Boston got hit and 200 tested positive, but only a small percentage even had symptoms. A prison near me had almost everyone who tested positive get very sick. In the church/choir group I posted about earlier it sounded like almost everyone got sick and there were multiple deaths.

MA is already heavy into contact tracing and analyzing the results so hopefully that sheds some insight.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26665945 - 05/12/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know enough about genetics to be able to interpret the information being released about the strains to see if there is anything significant different

My city of 2.3million is sitting at 100 deaths. Hospitalizations among young people are definitely higher than they are for the flu, but for what it's worth, almost all of the deaths here are among people over 70 with underlying conditions. Last count I heard, 55 of those deaths occurred in nursing homes. Originally I wanted to attribute the lower mortality here to more effective and timely medical care (which I still think plays a part in reducing mortality here among the elderly somewhat), but I am thinking it has more to do with the nature of the virus here. This is reinforced by the fact that there isn't a significant increase in sudden death by thromboembolism over and above what we normally see. I know a number of people who contracted COVID19 here and while all of them were quite ill for an extended period of time, the only one who was hospitalized is over 80 years old.


There are other less "scientific"/data-driven, more speculative explanations for why people get sicker in some places than others. I would guess that mucous membranes are more effective at trapping droplets in a humid environment because those droplets accumulate more water and become larger. Therefore it's theoretically possible that people are getting the virus here, but they're inhaling it into their upper rather than lower respiratory system. This could hypothetically give the adaptive immune system a little bit of extra time to get into gear before the virus progresses throughout the body.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26665964 - 05/12/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04290871

nitric oxide treatment for covid19


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26666005 - 05/12/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I heard there are three strains.  A,B,C..  I think A appeared on the west coast in November.  A is less deadly.  They think since some areas had the less deadly virus come through earlier, that gave an immunity to the other more serious phenotypes. 

    I’ve been saying all along my group of people all got sick late last year.  Deepest cough I’d ever had.

  I bought a mask with yellow flowers made by a local.  I can’t be that asshole walking around “unprotected” in the grocery store any longer.  Well at least in town.  Country folk don’t seem to give a shit yet.

    The government seriously needs to step up and send some funds to the medical community who have not been furloughed.  They should not have any student debt after this bullshit.  And any medical bills they have should be wiped clean.  As well as free healthcare and zero deductible etc.


The dr.s aren’t doing shit..  they are letting the nurses, med assistant’s do all the b.s..  as they sit on telehealth charging 300$ for 5-10 min..  I’d like to see an actual Dr.  that is performing the nasal swabs...  Maybe morrow knows one.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26666030 - 05/12/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Fucking stupid and pissed me off.



Wow. That silly video - just one in a world of a billion silly videos - really did chap some bottoms.



Anyone who thinks its okay to just do a musical number for no reason should be put in jail at the least. Little kids could see that.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26666037 - 05/12/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Lol that video was awesome!  Ha I really liked the hand sanitizer on gloves....  perfect.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26666057 - 05/12/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Fucking stupid and pissed me off.



Wow. That silly video - just one in a world of a billion silly videos - really did chap some bottoms.



Anyone who thinks its okay to just do a musical number for no reason should be put in jail at the least. Little kids could see that.




https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyu-tischs-students-want-tuition-fee-back-amid-coronavirus-shutdown-dean-responds-with-dance-video/2346626/
https://twitter.com/michale_price/status/1241939725121921025


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26666083 - 05/12/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't know enough about genetics to be able to interpret the information being released about the strains to see if there is anything significant different

My city of 2.3million is sitting at 100 deaths. Hospitalizations among young people are definitely higher than they are for the flu, but for what it's worth, almost all of the deaths here are among people over 70 with underlying conditions. Last count I heard, 55 of those deaths occurred in nursing homes. Originally I wanted to attribute the lower mortality here to more effective and timely medical care (which I still think plays a part in reducing mortality here among the elderly somewhat), but I am thinking it has more to do with the nature of the virus here. This is reinforced by the fact that there isn't a significant increase in sudden death by thromboembolism over and above what we normally see. I know a number of people who contracted COVID19 here and while all of them were quite ill for an extended period of time, the only one who was hospitalized is over 80 years old.


There are other less "scientific"/data-driven, more speculative explanations for why people get sicker in some places than others. I would guess that mucous membranes are more effective at trapping droplets in a humid environment because those droplets accumulate more water and become larger. Therefore it's theoretically possible that people are getting the virus here, but they're inhaling it into their upper rather than lower respiratory system. This could hypothetically give the adaptive immune system a little bit of extra time to get into gear before the virus progresses throughout the body.




Wow, my suburb county alone (1.5mil pop) has over 1,200 deaths. In MA such a high population commute into Boston for work. It spread initially at a conference here, then likely infested public transport and hit the city hard then got brought back to the suburbs. It's possible in your area it just spread later and slower so the deaths aren't catching up yet.

Yea ICU percentage at my wife's hospital skews heavily 45+.

Hopefully that humidity theory holds some truth, Florida and Texas have pretty similar numbers. That's mean that as things reopen and summer/humid weather kicks in the outcomes might get a little better.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #26666145 - 05/12/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I heard there are three strains.  A,B,C..  I think A appeared on the west coast in November.  A is less deadly.  They think since some areas had the less deadly virus come through earlier, that gave an immunity to the other more serious phenotypes. 

    I’ve been saying all along my group of people all got sick late last year.  Deepest cough I’d ever had.

  I bought a mask with yellow flowers made by a local.  I can’t be that asshole walking around “unprotected” in the grocery store any longer.  Well at least in town.  Country folk don’t seem to give a shit yet.

    The government seriously needs to step up and send some funds to the medical community who have not been furloughed.  They should not have any student debt after this bullshit.  And any medical bills they have should be wiped clean.  As well as free healthcare and zero deductible etc.


The dr.s aren’t doing shit..  they are letting the nurses, med assistant’s do all the b.s..  as they sit on telehealth charging 300$ for 5-10 min..  I’d like to see an actual Dr.  that is performing the nasal swabs...  Maybe morrow knows one.




Where are you getting this idea the virus was circulating in the us im November. That is absurd.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26666155 - 05/12/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't know enough about genetics to be able to interpret the information being released about the strains to see if there is anything significant different

My city of 2.3million is sitting at 100 deaths. Hospitalizations among young people are definitely higher than they are for the flu, but for what it's worth, almost all of the deaths here are among people over 70 with underlying conditions. Last count I heard, 55 of those deaths occurred in nursing homes. Originally I wanted to attribute the lower mortality here to more effective and timely medical care (which I still think plays a part in reducing mortality here among the elderly somewhat), but I am thinking it has more to do with the nature of the virus here. This is reinforced by the fact that there isn't a significant increase in sudden death by thromboembolism over and above what we normally see. I know a number of people who contracted COVID19 here and while all of them were quite ill for an extended period of time, the only one who was hospitalized is over 80 years old.


There are other less "scientific"/data-driven, more speculative explanations for why people get sicker in some places than others. I would guess that mucous membranes are more effective at trapping droplets in a humid environment because those droplets accumulate more water and become larger. Therefore it's theoretically possible that people are getting the virus here, but they're inhaling it into their upper rather than lower respiratory system. This could hypothetically give the adaptive immune system a little bit of extra time to get into gear before the virus progresses throughout the body.




I’ve said this before. Houston has the highest rate of uninsured of any American city. People are dying at home and are not being counted. Check the number of deaths in the city and I bet you’ll find a significant spike in mortality.

EDIT: Trying to get vital statistics for Houston is a nightmare. Seems like the public health system there is not a fan of data.

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NOTICE: Effective March 17, 2020, the bureau of vital statistics office is closed to the public until further notice. This closure is a measure to help contain and mitigate COVID-19 spread. We continue to offer online birth and death record ordering services and will waive the standard shipping fee.





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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26666176 - 05/12/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

let me know if you can find those stats. I feel like the county would be reporting on that if it were happening. The county judge Lina Hidalgo is a big advocate for the rights and well being of undocumented immigrants. She has been the figurehead of the harris county response, delivering regular press conferences and so forth. I suspect that if there were a sudden increase in bodies she would be talking about it. undocumented people don't really have to hide in houston to the extent that they do elsewhere; i'd estimate that 2/3 of the public hospital patient population are uninsured.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted]
    #26666187 - 05/12/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I’d like to see an actual Dr.  that is performing the nasal swabs...  Maybe morrow knows one.


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