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My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? * 1
    #26663934 - 05/11/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Before trying morning glory seeds I've never had any psychedelic experience, just weed. Lots and lots of weed. But with the shutdown bs going on I needed to find some alternative, so I researched stuff and found morning glories. I found out if you don't mind puking and getting vasoconstriction in your legs then you'll probably have a good time. So I bought some.

These things are fucking awesome. First few times I took light doses around 150 seeds and didn't feel much, although I did feel pretty happy. Last few times I took around 300 seeds, and holy shit, these things are awesome. Basically felt like weed, but more clear and interesting thought process.

I take them by chewing the hell out of them, then swallowing them. I don't get nausea for some reason, I do take a ginger supplement every morning with breakfast so that might be it. I also don't get vasoconstriction that bad. Just minor pains here and there. Of course, I've heard alcohol prevents this and I always drink a beer or a mixed drink around the time I take the seeds.

I'm a musician and I'm always curious on how different substances affect my playing. Improv creativity is insane while playing music on this stuff. I can create songs that are very original and fun to play while growing a morning glory garden in my mind. Playing music also just becomes way more fun and deep.

I gotta say I love these things and I'm happy that I can somewhat replace weed with this (can't totally replace weed since it builds tolerance really fast) during the "apocalypse".

Any advice from more experienced morning glory people? I've never really had any visual stuff for the most part. The trip before my last I closed my eyes and saw a flash of roses in a geometrical pattern for a second but that was it. I know these things mostly affect your thought processes, kinda like weed does, but I'm curious about doing a higher dose to see what visuals are like. What is the average dose to get open eye visuals?


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: Fiddle Man]
    #26664599 - 05/11/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Very cool story man! I LOVE your sig photo. Wow.

If u want visuals, u need around 350 fresh seeds minimal which is about 7.5 grams. I highly recommend extract methods. I use a methanol-extract method that works very well, even found out it seems to be transdermally-active.

Have u heard of Cold Water Extractions? If not, its a method to extract the LSA from the fresh seeds while leaving behind the toxic seed powder. When done right, it works very well.


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26665046 - 05/11/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The toxins arenโ€™t water soluble?


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26665791 - 05/12/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Very cool story man! I LOVE your sig photo. Wow.

If u want visuals, u need around 350 fresh seeds minimal which is about 7.5 grams. I highly recommend extract methods. I use a methanol-extract method that works very well, even found out it seems to be transdermally-active.

Have u heard of Cold Water Extractions? If not, its a method to extract the LSA from the fresh seeds while leaving behind the toxic seed powder. When done right, it works very well.




Thanks. Been doing graphic design as a hobby for about 10 years. Even more fun while high lol

Gonna try a higher dose next time. Probably 400-500 range.

I've heard of the various extraction methods before, but I've yet to give them a try. Since I get very little nausea from just eating the seeds I haven't tried it yet. I know you need to up the dose if you do use an extraction, either CWE or otherwise. Does doing an extraction vs just eating the seeds change the trip at all besides less nausea and vasoconstriction?


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: Fiddle Man] * 1
    #26666168 - 05/12/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I believe lsa decays quickly and
Freshest seeds are the most potent. If u grow them the dose starts around 40 seeds chewed,  then at 90 seeds is like a tab, 150 and above would be the visionary dose. 
But with store bought seeds or coldwater extraction tea, you have to up the dose 300-500 seeds for visionary levels.
And remember, they used to be god. not  just flesh but like whole deity.


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: Yatiqiri] * 1
    #26666227 - 05/12/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I usually take 5 or 6grams.
At one time.
Grind them up in a electric
Coffee grinder. Then pour
The powder into a cup.
Add cold water and drink
The solution.
Works wonders for me every
Time.


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: ft116] * 1
    #26666729 - 05/12/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I usually take 5 or 6grams.
At one time.
Grind them up in a electric
Coffee grinder. Then pour
The powder into a cup.
Add cold water and drink
The solution.
Works wonders for me every
Time.




Interesting. That sounds like a threshold dose from what I've heard. Are you on the skinny side? I feel weight has something to do with dose, I know with alcohol it definitely does.

I'm slightly overweight, some weeks upper normal but mostly on the slight overweight side. Does someone like me need to take more to feel something? This is something I frequently wonder about


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: Fiddle Man]
    #26666733 - 05/12/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

5 grams is not threshold, its actually a common dose. 1 gram is threshold.

More info at Erowid: https://erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_dose.shtml


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: Fiddle Man]
    #26666739 - 05/12/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
Very cool story man! I LOVE your sig photo. Wow.

If u want visuals, u need around 350 fresh seeds minimal which is about 7.5 grams. I highly recommend extract methods. I use a methanol-extract method that works very well, even found out it seems to be transdermally-active.

Have u heard of Cold Water Extractions? If not, its a method to extract the LSA from the fresh seeds while leaving behind the toxic seed powder. When done right, it works very well.




Thanks. Been doing graphic design as a hobby for about 10 years. Even more fun while high lol

Gonna try a higher dose next time. Probably 400-500 range.

I've heard of the various extraction methods before, but I've yet to give them a try. Since I get very little nausea from just eating the seeds I haven't tried it yet. I know you need to up the dose if you do use an extraction, either CWE or otherwise. Does doing an extraction vs just eating the seeds change the trip at all besides less nausea and vasoconstriction?




No, it doesnt really change the trip, just makes it cleaner/less side effects.

Amanita, the toxins are somewhat water soluble but not by much. U can definitely feel a big difference between eating raw seeds and doing a Cold Water extraction.

Keep up that cool image hobby! Looks awesome :awesome:

Heres a simple, spacey image I made from a lady who posted a pic of her paper drawing:


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26666791 - 05/12/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Morning glory seeds always
Make me philosophical.
And I have recently started to
Draw again while on them.
You get some very interesting
Shit going on when you release
Your mind onto paper.


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: ft116]
    #26666800 - 05/12/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

MG seeds are definitely Philosophical! One of the best psychedelics for Philosophical thinking in my opinion.


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    #26667826 - 05/13/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The few times I've taken them have been very clear headed and enjoyable experiences.

But I just can't get over the sickness they induce in me. The first time I ate them, they had a very nutty, pleasant flavor, and eating them wasn't a chore. All subsequent times brought me to gagging with only a few seeds chewed. My body knows what I'm consuming and rejects them.
They are definitely toxic in my opinion. Hence the puking that almost always follows consumption. The body load almost makes it not worth it to me. Just terrible nausea and a dull headache that persists through out the trip. The morning after is equally as unpleasant, despite them being morning glories. I can't help but feel that personally I could be doing more harm than good. I'm not as healthy as I should be

If you can eat them straight up without issue, keep on.
Just be mindful about how often you do, and to always show respect to these plants. I feel the magic of these substances can easily be stripped away from you.

I've been very interested in extraction methods, but there are no guaranteed techniques I've found, and lots of conflicting information about them that makes me very weary of dosing in that manner. I've come close a few times, but just don't want to end up feeling like that again.



I found this video of Terence McKenna discussing South Americans actually making a small tortilla like chip out of the seeds at 7:08:00 hour mark to dose with. But I believe he is talking about Ololiqui or Rivea corymbosa which is a more potent species of morning glory as apposed to the ipomea tricolor we are familiar with. Although I could be wrong.
It's intersting to note that they soak the ground seeds and discard the water, unlike a modern "cold water extraction" in which the user drinks the water and discards the seed material. The reason I believe it is ololiqui is he says the tortilla is about the size of a ritz cracker, which is quite small. I can't imagine a proper 3-400 seed dose of your typical Heavenly Blues would flatten out to such a size. I've never cooked one, so again, I could be wrong in my assumption. Perhaps the cooking of a smaller dose strengthens it?
EDIT: it's hard to hear the questioners, but I think he is referencing to Rivea corymbosa!

With bold users of the seed such as yourselves, it would be a very interesting experiment to report back to us with. I think the worst that could happen is you just end up with a light snack!


I really miss cannabis...


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: Fleabag Friend]
    #26667910 - 05/13/20 03:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Great stuff! :popcorn:

Oliliqui is definitely in Mexico and is more potent. Very hard to find Oliliqui seeds, they are quite rare.

I hear ya on the seeds. I used to eat powdered seefs no problem. Now is different. Cant do that anymore, my body doesnt accept the seeds. Its extractions only for me. Its more effort, time and money, but in the end, its worth it :trippinbawelz:


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    #26667985 - 05/13/20 05:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Fleabag Friend said:
The few times I've taken them have been very clear headed and enjoyable experiences.

But I just can't get over the sickness they induce in me. The first time I ate them, they had a very nutty, pleasant flavor, and eating them wasn't a chore. All subsequent times brought me to gagging with only a few seeds chewed. My body knows what I'm consuming and rejects them.
They are definitely toxic in my opinion. Hence the puking that almost always follows consumption. The body load almost makes it not worth it to me. Just terrible nausea and a dull headache that persists through out the trip. The morning after is equally as unpleasant, despite them being morning glories. I can't help but feel that personally I could be doing more harm than good. I'm not as healthy as I should be

If you can eat them straight up without issue, keep on.
Just be mindful about how often you do, and to always show respect to these plants. I feel the magic of these substances can easily be stripped away from you.

I've been very interested in extraction methods, but there are no guaranteed techniques I've found, and lots of conflicting information about them that makes me very weary of dosing in that manner. I've come close a few times, but just don't want to end up feeling like that again.



I found this video of Terence McKenna discussing South Americans actually making a small tortilla like chip out of the seeds at 7:08:00 hour mark to dose with. But I believe he is talking about Ololiqui or Rivea corymbosa which is a more potent species of morning glory as apposed to the ipomea tricolor we are familiar with. Although I could be wrong.
It's intersting to note that they soak the ground seeds and discard the water, unlike a modern "cold water extraction" in which the user drinks the water and discards the seed material. The reason I believe it is ololiqui is he says the tortilla is about the size of a ritz cracker, which is quite small. I can't imagine a proper 3-400 seed dose of your typical Heavenly Blues would flatten out to such a size. I've never cooked one, so again, I could be wrong in my assumption. Perhaps the cooking of a smaller dose strengthens it?
EDIT: it's hard to hear the questioners, but I think he is referencing to Rivea corymbosa!

With bold users of the seed such as yourselves, it would be a very interesting experiment to report back to us with. I think the worst that could happen is you just end up with a light snack!


I really miss cannabis...





That's very interesting. I'm curious about trying that chip method sometime since I actually enjoy the flavor of the seeds.

I wonder if the puking has to do if whether you like the flavor or not? If somebody enjoys the flavor vs somebody hates the flavor, does that effect whether people puke or not?


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: Fiddle Man]
    #26668333 - 05/13/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No, flavor has nothing to do with it, I think.
I puked my first time, and every time after. As I said I enjoyed the flavor at first.

I also dosed a friend for the first time by blending the seeds into juice until the flavor was undetectable to both of us, just tasted like chunky oj... he also puked


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: Fleabag Friend] * 1
    #26668663 - 05/13/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah. Mg seeds are good.
Taken 6gram today and still
Feel good. I could live off them.


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    #26668999 - 05/13/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Had a pretty good trip on 500 seeds today. Ate the seeds at 7:30am and now its 7:30 at night and still feeling the effects. Gonna post a trip report thread, but gonna sum it up here too.

  About 9:00 am Trip started very happy and creative. Felt awesome waves washing over my soul. I'm playing music and recording stuff. Really creative. Improv music just comes naturally.

    About 10:00 - 12:00 time is really slow and I have crazy CEVs and some open eye stuff too

    Middle of the trip (about 12:00 noon) brought out my fears and insecurities. Made many awesome realizations that I never really thought about and I feel like this really helped me learn deeply.

    Later on I got a very chill relaxed feeling. Very fulfilling and happy. No stress, no fear, just bliss.

    Keep posted for the trip report thread in detail


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: Fiddle Man]
    #26669989 - 05/14/20 04:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah. I have fallen in love with
Them.


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Re: My Morning Glory Experiences. Any Advice for the Future? [Re: ft116]
    #26671414 - 05/14/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

sprout the seeds and eat the sprouts


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