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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
#26665136 - 05/11/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Didn't a grand jury decide Mueller could conduct a criminal investigation?
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26665172 - 05/11/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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No. A grand jury doesn't decide things like that.
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26665177 - 05/11/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: It began when Russia hacked the DNC.
Russia's been spying on the US since well before that.
So what? It’s still a crime.
Are you suggesting crimes shouldn’t be investigated?
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
#26665178 - 05/11/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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What was the purpose of the grand jury?
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26665182 - 05/11/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Which grand jury?
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26665186 - 05/11/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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To consider evidence and testimony to determine if a crime occurred
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26665193 - 05/11/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Russia-Gate began under the Obama administration.
It began when Russia hacked the DNC.
Russia's been spying on the US since well before that.
So what? It’s still a crime. Are you suggesting crimes shouldn’t be investigated?
No, I'm suggesting Russia-Gate didn't start when Russia started spying on us.
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
#26665200 - 05/11/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Which grand jury?
The one that Mueller requested. Why did Mueller request a grand jury?
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26665203 - 05/11/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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One grand jury indicted Russian agents for the hacking. Another indicted Russians for election interference.
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
#26665206 - 05/11/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What was the purpose of the grand jury?
To consider evidence and testimony to determine if a crime occurred
I don't think a grand jury decides if a crime occurred, especially considering the proceedings are led by a prosecutor and the defendant has no right to present. Enlil, do you agree with koods?
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26665215 - 05/11/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's what a grand jury does, yes. They determine if probable cause exists to charge people for a crime.
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26665231 - 05/11/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: It began when Russia hacked the DNC.
Russia's been spying on the US since well before that.
So what? It’s still a crime. Are you suggesting crimes shouldn’t be investigated?
No, I'm suggesting Russia-Gate didn't start when Russia started spying on us.
Ok. Nobody said it did. It started with a not ambiguously criminal act: the hacking of the DNC.
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
#26665237 - 05/11/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Determining probable cause of a crime is a lot different than determining "if a crime occurred", as koods specifically said, especially considering the grand jury proceedings are led by a prosecutor and the defendant has no right to present.
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
#26665239 - 05/11/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: It started with a not ambiguously criminal act: the hacking of the DNC.
Why did the US suddenly care about being spied on more than we did before?
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26665255 - 05/11/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I think we have always cared about espionage, but this was a particularly egregious and targeted criminal act. I wasn’t simply spying.
Do you have a point?
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26665268 - 05/11/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Determining probable cause of a crime is a lot different than determining "if a crime occurred", as koods specifically said, especially considering the grand jury proceedings are led by a prosecutor and the defendant has no right to present.
It’s not a trial. It’s an investigation. The defendant may not even know he’s being investigated, which is one of the reasons why grand juries are secret.
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
#26665270 - 05/11/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you think hacking the DNC is more serious than spying on our nuclear technology or other Federal Government top secret programs, you've got a serious case of TDS.
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
#26665272 - 05/11/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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As far as I know, all federal indictments must be issued by a grand jury.
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26665274 - 05/11/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: If you think hacking the DNC is more serious than spying on our nuclear technology or other secrets, you've got a serious case of TDS.
Do you have a point?
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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
#26665279 - 05/11/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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An Enlil noted, an indictment determines "if probable cause exists", not "if a crime occurred".
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