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how much do you think before you speak?
#26663832 - 05/11/20 05:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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is it dependent on the environment that you are in, the topic, the people being conversation with?
when are you in your best flow state of speaking? how does this change the flow rate of thinking?
does saying a thought out-loud- even to yourself - change it?
do you ever say things, and then have to go look up the definitions of the words that you just spoke with?
have you ever spoken fluently in a language that you didn't even know you could speak?
can you think without thoughts?
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Re: how much do you think before you speak? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26663854 - 05/11/20 05:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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what's a think without a thought feel like?
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thealienthatategod said: is it dependent on the environment that you are in, the topic, the people being conversation with?
when are you in your best flow state of speaking? how does this change the flow rate of thinking?
does saying a thought out-loud- even to yourself - change it?
do you ever say things, and then have to go look up the definitions of the words that you just spoke with?
have you ever spoken fluently in a language that you didn't even know you could speak?
can you think without thoughts?
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The old pond. A frog jumps in. Plop!
what an interesting set of questions! I do think without word thoughts - mostly -65% of my thinking is physical adjustment and sensation [Note: the most simple signals in the brain are sensation, and most of it is that and the perceptions (memories) that sensation cascades into (these are also thoughts - some of which are word based)]
my thoughts are reflex responses which includes me moving towards and away from things, picking things up etc., as well as spoken reflexes. [Note: I call these activities thoughts, because they are reflex cascades of neural activity as are other thoughts - with the only difference that the body is activated as well as mental formations changing which is the essence of thoughts]
occasionally before typing and or speaking I will think ahead to formulate the idea in terms that are relevant (to the people in the situation) and I consider this a good practice - [Note: when I am aware of my self in a space or with people, that awareness contributes to a more awakened way of being, which you may call flow state, but I think that is an unfortunate term as all of life is flow, and none of it is a state if it flows. In my world mental states are more about resonance, or how long any thought hangs around before fading - and when stoned they hang around a long time overlapping with other thoughts/sensations/movements]
I have had to look up words I have used, because, as with all my reflex responses to the universe, a great deal derives from the "monkey see monkey do" pattern, which includes "monkey speak", such that I adopt phrases that sound cool even before I have fully vetted them for meaning and affiliation.
saying, doing, and thinking - each affect the environment as well as the mind in some way. Not always the way intended, but we make do.
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Re: how much do you think before you speak? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26663957 - 05/11/20 07:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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what does it feel like to live inside of a disco ball?
i made a really profound (to me) discovery about different forms of light and myriad reflectors two weeks ago.
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Re: how much do you think before you speak? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26664605 - 05/11/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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thank you for the encouragement.
i was working with my myrid reflector, UVA light, and LED light. both of the lights make identical patterns, but the patterns are represented with different coordinates. the LED light makes a primary grid of nodal points, but the UVA light can make a larger super-lattice grid of these nodal points.
the UVA light, when reflected off the mirror ball, is shifted laterally compared to the LED light, so that a nodal point from UVA's reflection, lies above the center, and forms a reciprocal hexagonal lattice to LED nodal grid. shape changes in a particular direction for LED lead to changes in a perpendicular direction for UVA.
well, profound to me, but I find the most simple things to be the most profound. I was just trying to throw a rave for my cats.
it pertains to this thing i've been investigating:
you are standing in a room that is perfectly circular with mirrors for walls.
you shine a light, a single ray of light, in a random direction.
will the light ever return to its original position (the single point where the light originated from)?
if so, will it return to its position an infinite amount of times or a definite amount of times?
will it ever return to its original position in the original direction?
at the time, i had been using someones space who loved disco balls for decor, and at fist i thought disco balls were tacky, but i couldn't change the decor, so i spent a lot of time staring at these strange mirrors, and they started to grow on me.
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you are very lucky to have been in the dazzling disco zone of light and weird questions.
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Re: how much do you think before you speak? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26665254 - 05/11/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you have a notion of what is truthful before you say something.. And then potentially filter your actions or speech afterwards..
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Re: how much do you think before you speak? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26665733 - 05/12/20 03:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: saying, doing, and thinking - each affect the environment as well as the mind in some way. Not always the way intended, but we make do.
of saying, doing, and thinking which do you think is the most reflexive?
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they are exactly equal, precisely the same number of neurons generate a thought or a word or a movement of equal time and intensity.
the trigger is the universe, the reflex is the thought which may be a word or movement, and so on.
we do not exercise control in the moment, but by practice, and each thing we think is due to practice or repetition before.
we can review this (awareness) and practice how we would prefer to respond. that is the extent of will. when the awareness is in tune, you could call it zen or flow state.
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#26666094 - 05/12/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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what I think is happening is that what we thought before speaking conditions what we say and how we react in situations, and the kind of thought we need before situations that involve speaking and action is the kind of thought that challenges and expands our humanity.
everything we experience is the framework for the response we make next. so if we spend time honestly observing ourselves - making enough space in our minds for our insecurities, and the groundlessness of life, then we are more in tune with fundamental groundlessness that we all have, and anything we later think, say or do will be imbued with a kind of tolerance or compassion.
so yes, think about such things as making space for our fears etc. (any time - not necessarily before speaking) and speak honestly from your heart in the moment without hesitation. the adage of think before you speak is a bit right and terribly confusing too, because it assumes you can model the situation, and are playing or gaming the system.
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Re: how much do you think before you speak? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26666288 - 05/12/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: how much do you think before you speak? [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26666379 - 05/12/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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do you think in intense emotional states humans are less or more likely to say what they mean?
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Suppose in that type of state a more extreme reaction is likely. Could be extremely meaningful or extremely random. Itās basically just reflecting the intense state through words. In hindsight it may not make sense. But in the moment the words may be more true at least in the context of the emotional state. I try to separate emotional states from unemotional states as they imply different scenarios.
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Re: how much do you think before you speak? [Re: Yellow Pants] 1
#26666466 - 05/12/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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when emotional we seem to say what we need to say, but it is never very clear, more like "get out of the way" or "emergency" or "help", or "fuck off"
these are like sirens and car horns in traffic. lots of horsepower and low intelligence.
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Re: how much do you think before you speak? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#26666498 - 05/12/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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On the other hand emotional states, some, can convey in a way that nothing else could. I donāt think āemotionā is disconnected at all really similar to thinking or moving physically. Thereās always an emotional state there, a mood or vibe, that is a factor.
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Re: how much do you think before you speak? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26666625 - 05/12/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: when emotional we seem to say what we need to say, but it is never very clear, more like "get out of the way" or "emergency" or "help", or "fuck off"
these are like sirens and car horns in traffic. lots of horsepower and low intelligence.
i don't think the output from those emotional states is of low intelligence.
when speaking from a state that is less emotionally charged, we try to get an idea across by compressing a complex concept into words, and those words have to be interpreted by the listener, who may or may not end up with a complete understanding of the idea that you are trying to convey.
when speaking from a state that is more highly emotionally charged, there is less data loss in the interpretation between speaker and listener, as the idea is less compressed by the speaker before they speak the output.
you might say it is low intelligence in that the speech is not always very eloquent, but what is being conveyed, even if seemingly illogical, is information not processed by thought in the way it is in the non-emotional state. it is less compressed data, and thus meaning can be conveyed more instantaneously. its intelligence just has a different kind of charge.
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OK maybe I Spock'ed out a bit there. before I was talking about saying what you mean by speaking your ideas without pretense or aforethought but I would only do this in the following way:
- things I care about I think a lot about and I will be comfortable speaking off the cuff, without forethought or pretense or posturing.
- things I am ambivalent about I may never consider properly and yet I may speak about them and - guaranteed - the result will be lame.
I know when I speak out of anger - I regret the results because of the distancing it makes, even if I am right or in the right to speak. I do not believe it is useful to speak in anger, unless you are willing to have a whole conversation and relationship based upon that note.
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