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0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression
    #26662867 - 05/10/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’m brand new to shrooms. After hearing about the psilocybin studies on depression sometime in the past 12 months, I decided to give it a go. I’ve suffered from depression for as long as I can remember. I’ve done a lot of therapist visits (worked mostly), SSRIs (ditched due to side effects) and mostly dealt with anxiety after a breakdown period through caffeine and alcohol.

After a lot of progress and improvement I’ve been at a stuck point for a couple of years now and slowly my depression has been getting worse. Therapy isn’t helping all that much any more.

I’ve been hunting for shrooms recently and hoping to collect as much as I need for the year so that I can try out this treatment and see where it goes. The research I’ve done in the site so far has seemed that people are using almost every combination of dosing there is. Some are microdosing, some are mild tripping once per week, some are tripping more heavily once per month (and plenty, of examples of longer periods in between use).

So far I’ve tried:
  • microdosing 0.2g every second day, that worked as a general mood lifter, thinking seemed clearer, but I felt tired after about 2 hours from taking them
  • dosing 0.2g each day, seemed to have good mood results and brain function, still felt tired afterwards
  • dosing 0.5g once, wow, I haven’t felt this happy for a long long time. I was just chuckling to myself at random thoughts. Family were asking what’s so funny a few times. I had an enjoyable, uncontrollable laughter session with my wife. I didn’t feel all that tired afterwards and felt great for about 4 hours. Only problem was that I’m not sure how productive I would be in this state. Only tried it once and that was over the weekend, so I didn’t attempt any sort of concentration on a task or work or anything,


The day after the 0.5g dose I felt a bit strange. I put it down to actually not feeling depressed for once. I wanted to grab some alcohol and dull the brain to get ahead of any anxiety, but I resisted the temptation, it’s like depression is a warm safety blanket that part of me doesn’t want to give up.

I also realised that the 0.5g dose reminded me that I like to feel in control. When I’d drink alcohol, I never get to an uncontrolled state. I’m always fighting for control. From reading some posts here it seems that may be a problem if I go up to stronger shroom doses. I’m likely to fight a trip and that sounds like a bad thing.

I wanted to share my experiences thus far and also open for anyone to offer advice on their experiences to help guide me. My ultimate goal is to get rid of depression, but really to get back to my most creative, excited and passionate self. I know I’m in here somewhere and I’m longing to unlock it and see me thrive.


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: snookems]
    #26663104 - 05/10/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hi,

I’m glad you are getting some positive effects from your experimentation. I used mushies to end a 3 year deep dark suffocating depression. It took 3G of wood lovers and an afternoon of basically crying my face off and being super weird. As the trip ended I realised that I felt at peace for the first time in years. It lasted a year before gradual return of symptoms. Now I trip about every 3 to 6 months and I’ve never felt more content and satisfied with my life.

Yes it is crucial to submit to the shrooms and give them an all areas pass to your psyche. If u don’t it’s uncomfortable, as soon as u do it can be bliss.

Can you ask your wife to trip sit you? It is really nice to have that safety net!


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: snookems]
    #26664242 - 05/11/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like you're going about it in a great way. There's definitely no one size fits all approach, so experimenting is how you'll figure out what works for you. The same thing might not work indefinitely if you're making progress, so it's something to continuously check in on and fine tune.

This was a method I found extremely helpful for myself and did a write-up on:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25519094


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: snookems]
    #26664543 - 05/11/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Only problem was that I’m not sure how productive I would be in this state. Only tried it once and that was over the weekend, so I didn’t attempt any sort of concentration on a task or work or anything...

I also realised that the 0.5g dose reminded me that I like to feel in control. When I’d drink alcohol, I never get to an uncontrolled state. I’m always fighting for control. From reading some posts here it seems that may be a problem if I go up to stronger shroom doses. I’m likely to fight a trip and that sounds like a bad thing...

My ultimate goal is to get rid of depression, but really to get back to my most creative, excited and passionate self. I know I’m in here somewhere and I’m longing to unlock it and see me thrive.






Good luck with your quest.  My Bipolar 2 responds extremely well to mushrooms - any regular dose will reset me to the up phase, which is where I'm most productive.  That was a godsend to discover. :awesomenod:

I don't know how well or even if microdoses have the same sort of effect as I've not yet been able to stick to small doses in any organized pattern.  But I keep thinking about it.

Re the first comment, no, unless your actual work is highly creative you will not likely be able to focus on mundane sort of work while on any significant dose.  Reserve it for dedicated off time.

Your control issue will come to bite you with larger doses.  It's all about letting go, not remaining "in charge".  But you'll eventually break through to that if you continue long enough. :cookiemonster:


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26665516 - 05/11/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I always wanted to try .5g daily for 30 days as a mental 'reset' of the brain. I recall reading about somebody doing this on another forum about 10 years ago with great success. They said after 3-4 days they did not notice any effects of the dosage, so your worries about being productive might be taken care of with a build up of tolerance. I'm not a doctor, I'm not recommending this, but this is the route I would take personally as a way to reset my brain and try to get my brain a bit scrubbed and more open to handling 'happy' chemicals again.


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: Justweed]
    #26665596 - 05/11/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've been building up to full doses. I'm also one who likes to stay in control. Last week I was able to take 1.5g and realised I was excited for it so I could give myself over to it. That was my turning point. On Sunday I took 4g with my wife (mother's Day special!) and it gave me a huge reset. Again I was comfortable handing my control over to the mushrooms and was excited to see where they'd take me. I heard my inner monologue speak to me - it was my thoughts but wasn't me somehow. It simply said "you're doing OK, Bricks". I've been feeling great since. My wife suffers non-specific anxiety which has almost melted away since her first 1/2 gram dose last week (backed up with 1g on Sunday).

I wish you all the best on your journey. If you do build yourself up to a bigger dose (i.e. be able to let go of your desire to control the trip) I believe it will have greater ongoing benefits than microdosing.

But I'm no doctor.


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: BreakingBricks] * 1
    #26665906 - 05/12/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Last week I was able to take 1.5g and realised I was excited for it so I could give myself over to it.




I've found that to be a huge factor in how my trips turn out.

A while back I was smoking DMT and as the effects came on I got the usual "Fuck what have I DONE?" feeling, but then just told myself fuck it, let's get excited and see how deep I can go and what I can see. It was like the landscape of hyperspace instantly morphed once I changed my mindstate, to something far more welcoming and magical as opposed to terrifying and alien.


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: snookems]
    #26666274 - 05/12/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The day after the 0.5g dose I felt a bit strange. I put it down to actually not feeling depressed for once. I wanted to grab some alcohol and dull the brain to get ahead of any anxiety, but I resisted the temptation, it’s like depression is a warm safety blanket that part of me doesn’t want to give up.

I also realised that the 0.5g dose reminded me that I like to feel in control. When I’d drink alcohol, I never get to an uncontrolled state. I’m always fighting for control. From reading some posts here it seems that may be a problem if I go up to stronger shroom doses. I’m likely to fight a trip and that sounds like a bad thing.

I wanted to share my experiences thus far and also open for anyone to offer advice on their experiences to help guide me. My ultimate goal is to get rid of depression, but really to get back to my most creative, excited and passionate self. I know I’m in here somewhere and I’m longing to unlock it and see me thrive.




Thank you so much for sharing this snookems, I'm just getting into cultivation but these are my goals as well. I definitely want to start out around the .2g to .5g dose level. Please share more as you continue to try this out!


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: General_Interest]
    #26667082 - 05/12/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thank you so much for sharing this snookems, I'm just getting into cultivation but these are my goals as well. I definitely want to start out around the .2g to .5g dose level. Please share more as you continue to try this out!




Firstly, thank you to everyone who contributed some advice, I really appreciate it. This site is such an amazing support when you know nothing, have no experience, and have no one IRL to help guide you.

Over the last few days I have experimented some small variations on dosage. The other day I took 0.35 and then 0.2g around 1 hour apart. This didn't seem to kick in the same way the original 0.5g dose did. Yesterday I tried 0.35 just on it's own. For each of these tweaks on dosage, I find that I'm generally 80% free of depression and anxiety throughout the day. Concentration on conversation or work activities was definitely a challenge yesterday. I have also experimented a little with the time of day I take the dose. Most days I had been dosing at around 5PM, but yesterday I took it earlier in the day (1PM). To help my concentration at work, I may shift back to the 5PM timeslot, will keep testing on this one.

So far I do find that a dose of 0.35g per day may be a good number to use going forward, if my body/brain adjusts and I can still maintain concentration on a task. Hopefully I can collect enough shrooms before the season runs out to last me the year! If that's at risk, then I may need to try a much larger dose with longer gaps in between. Travel has also crossed my mind... I occasionally travel internationally for work, so transporting shrooms to maintain daily dosing will be a problem!

Microdosing 0.2g every second day did give me a noticeable lift in mood, but I guess I've swayed to higher daily doses to chase shorter term results. Whether that's a good thing I'm not sure, but so far so good!

I've also been thinking of cutting caffeine (daily intake is currently 200mg in the morning) to see if shrooms may replace it. I'm very sensitive to caffeine, even a small drop in dose, or missing my dose by a few hours will give me headaches/migraines. I went to caffeine after SSRIs because I realised they were both doing the same thing to my brain and SSRIs had undesirable side effects, where caffeine generally did not. Caffeine does affect my heart in a minor way, if I have too much it feels like my heart is trying to beat itself out of my chest if I'm doing very heavy cardio (cycling up a big hill).

Some of my testing in small doses 0.2-0.5g may suffer from variations in shrooms I've been hunting, which come from different patches around my city. I could blend the shrooms I have collected, but didn't want to expose them to any more oxygen than necessary as I need to store them for at least a year. Not sure if anyone has thoughts on that?

I should also mention that these dosage levels are for Psilocybe subaeruginosa, so if you're trying to recreate my results, please use the dosage calculator to adjust accordingly.


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: snookems]
    #26668596 - 05/13/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If these are wild specimens your actual dosages may be varying without your realizing it...

Same goes for multispore domestic grows.  Best to homogenize all the fruits from one batch.


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: snookems]
    #26668896 - 05/13/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for sharing, I've not tried micro dosing with mushrooms but have tried lsd 10ml every 3 days for a month & really found the experience positive & gave me a nice outlook and increased creativity. I definitely want to try mushrooms as I want to try the natural way
I hope you find the best micro dose that works for you


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: Shroomgirly]
    #26671352 - 05/14/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

if you're the type who suffers from neurosis (basically, you're a worrywart who makes mountains out of molehills) i'd stick to the small microdosing and keep doing what you're doing - keep up the good work!

if you're the kind of person like me who tends to go with the flow though, you might want to consider a heroic dose - psychedelics do well with people who are able to not sweat the small stuff. My first dose was heroic and it completely blasted my depression away - i didn't even realize i HAD depression, or just how severe it was until it was gone. like... holy crap, it was night and day. it hasn't returned in over a year either.

I feel a lot of that depression was tied to the whole "what happens when we die" thing too, as well as just feeling disconnected from life in general. that first trip made me feel the love, the emotions, and reassured me that there was something for me, that death was not the end, merely the beginning of something new and wonderful, the start of a new chapter in ones journey. that one can choose where one goes next - assuming you don't let someone else choose for you.


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: Psion]
    #26672175 - 05/15/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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if you're the kind of person like me who tends to go with the flow though, you might want to consider a heroic dose - psychedelics do well with people who are able to not sweat the small stuff. My first dose was heroic and it completely blasted my depression away - i didn't even realize i HAD depression, or just how severe it was until it was gone. like... holy crap, it was night and day. it hasn't returned in over a year either.





Thanks Psion for your experiences. I'm usually a pretty chill person (apart from the anxiety stuff which I'm hoping to get rid of).

I had an interesting experience tonight. I play music as a hobby and perform in front of people regularly. I find that sometimes I have this block when playing in front of friends or family. I get it quite a lot when I play/rehearse in the house with my wife. I probably have it when playing in front of a large crowd but maybe don't notice it as much.

Tonight I rehearsed with a friend of mine. I found that I felt much more open and free when playing/singing with him. I really enjoyed it and found I wasn't self conscious or uptight about playing. I've also been singing to myself around the house, which normally I don't feel comfortable doing in front of my family.

This is something I've really wanted to get over for a long time, and it seems the shrooms are helping. Amazing!


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: snookems]
    #26672785 - 05/15/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, i noticed on shrooms i feel much more willing to sing to myself out loud - normally i feel too embarrassed to do so unless i'm absolutely sure no one will be able to hear my voice cause i know it's kind of "eh" sounding.

i feel like it sounds better too, but maybe that's just the shrooms talking. :lol:

if you do try a heroic dose, make sure to tidy up the house first, and clean yourself up too - a clean house and self makes for a much better trip, ive found. a lightweight, large barf bucket is nice to have handy as well in case you get nauseous - heavy trips can make it hard to get up and reach the restroom in time, and cleaning up barf SUCKS when tripping LOL.

and uh...do a quick check to make sure there's no ants or big flies or wasps or anything in your house. seriously. i know one person mentioned encountering ants on a heavy trip and having a bit of a nightmare dealing with that... and i personally had a mini-fright on a heavy trip when i was tripping heavily and a GIANT SHADOW appeared and i thought it was a wasp of doom in my room. finally got the courage to get closer... and it was a fly. the biggest fly id ever seen, but still. finally smashed the fucker on a fly trap and gained 4 experience points.

checked back after the trip and the bastard was as big as my thumbnail. nasty critter. unexpected insect visitors are not fun during a heavy trip lmao.


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: Psion]
    #26673911 - 05/16/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Giant insects while tripping, I honestly never considered that in my trip preparations. You’ve had me rolling with laughter dude, nice one :grin:


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Re: 0.2-0.5g experimentation treatment for depression [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26673946 - 05/16/20 01:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mushrooms are a blessing and show you love. Take full trips every once in a while too, like upwards of 2.5g or 25g fresh.
Thats where the real benefits are
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And dont be afraid of the control thing. If you prepare yourself properly you will give in to the experience easier. Dont start with big doses if you fear the intensity


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