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    #26662582 - 05/10/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This is a re-post from getting started.  Tstone suggested I post here instead.  Hope I'm not breaking any forum rules...

Hi all,

I posted a few months ago about a kit I was growing from.  Trying to figure out why more pins were not forming after first flush, optimal moisture, FAE, temperature.  I got some good advice from bodhisatta and went on to get 4 flushes from my kit.

I did a lot of research since then and have read many posts and TEK's from this site, especially from bodhisatta.

I have abandoned the kit and am doing a brand new grow following mostly TEKs from bod's cultivation is easy as fuck link list.

I made an SAB, bought a 23 quart Presto, some plastic petri dishes, agar, a case of 1qt regular mouth mason jars.

I made some clones from live mushrooms from my original kit.  I split the stem and put very small pieces in agar in plastic petri dishes.

They grew out nicely, round and symmetrical.  Then I used bod's oat TEK and made 12 jars.  I inoculated with wedges of my agar culture in my my SAB.





The jars colonized, I shook them once or twice, and when they were very white I used bod's bucket TEK to do coir, then into an unmodified tub, (also bod's TEK).



















After 15 days I got my first pins.









At 20 days some of the caps started opening and I did a partial harvest.










I think I might have let it get too dry.  The substrate is pulling away from the sides and I have a lot of side pins.  I check on the tubs and mist every day...  I'm not sure about the gap at the top where the lid is upside down.  I have experimented with sticking different objects between the lids and the tub to get different sized gaps...



This is my first time growing with this method (bod's unmodified monotub) and my second time growing overall (the first was with a kit).

I am still trying to learn and modify my setup to find what works.

I would appreciate any comments or advice.  Especially, did I let it get too dry?

In the last few days, I have poured water down the sides of the tub.  The substrate seemed to soak it all up, so I did it again a few days later.  Is this normal?

I was wondering about a method of weighing the entire tub, to see if it was losing water due to evaporation.  Is this feasible?  Or would it even work?  I am assuming that the weight should be fairly constant throughout the grow.  Unless you add more water, or harvest, or the water evaporates.


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Re: Requesting opinions on my grow [Re: mweiss001]
    #26662621 - 05/10/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nice first tub man. I have never tried the unmod tub so I’ve got nothing there. The myc seems a little thick and matted up top and with that yellowing in places it may have been too dry at some point.

It is normal for the sub to shrink as the mushrooms pull water out during that first flush. Depending on how much water I loose I’ll just spray heavily after first harvest or float the sub for a little bit.

I see so many knots there I think they may have benefited from a top layer of coir or a proper casing.


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    #26662665 - 05/10/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think your main issue is surface conditions. Your sub actual looks to be well hydrated (I can see some nice beads of water in most of you pictures), but that's not the only thing you need. Firstly, it looks like your sub is quite uneven. I made this mistake on my first few grows and got very weak flushes; now, I always take extra time to level out my sub after mixing. If you do it right, side pinning will potentially be nonexistent. Secondly, I've tried growing with and without casing, and a casing always leads to better performance. I highly recommend using a casing layer in your next grow.

Like you, I followed Bod's teks like the holy bible, but I found that not all of them work for me. For instance, Bod's coir prep tek always left me with sopping wet coir. I eventually found the SFF Teks, and incorporating these techniques definitely helped up my game. Specifically the coir tek and explanation of surface conditions. Now, this tek is for shoeboxes, but it works great for the unmodified tub as well. That said, my first bulk grows were to shoeboxes, and I think isolating jars into smaller grows is great for beginners. I learned a lot while I still wasn't very confident that my jars were clean. Many of them failed or had bad results, but I only lost one jar each and was able to learn a value lesson each time. You might consider giving shoeboxes a try; they're different for sure but have the same potential for growth as spawning to a bigger tub with less of the risk (Though, leveling out the equivalent of monotub jars in separate shoeboxes is laborious.)

Here is a tub I didn't use a casing layer on, and as you can see, is quite unleveled across the top with tons of side pins popping up: 


Here was the next tub I did, taking time to level everything out and using a casing layer:


Edited by Jwardoin (05/10/20 03:33 PM)


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Re: Requesting opinions on my grow [Re: Jwardoin]
    #26662700 - 05/10/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the replies Roger and Jwardoin.  I will definitely try casing next time.  I'll probably use 1/4 to 1/2 inch of coir.  You put the casing on after the sub has fully colonized, right?  Also as far as getting it level, I'm not sure how I can do better.  I got it as level as I could, and it looked really good when I spread it out.  I only compressed it very lightly.  It seemed to shift and buckle some while colonizing.


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Re: Requesting opinions on my grow [Re: mweiss001]
    #26662730 - 05/10/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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mweiss001 said:
Thanks for the replies Roger and Jwardoin.  I will definitely try casing next time.  I'll probably use 1/4 to 1/2 inch of coir.  You put the casing on after the sub has fully colonized, right?  Also as far as getting it level, I'm not sure how I can do better.  I got it as level as I could, and it looked really good when I spread it out.  I only compressed it very lightly.  It seemed to shift and buckle some while colonizing.





I put my casing layer on at the same time as I spawn. Definitely read the SFF tek as it'll explain everything.

I'll spend 10-15 getting everything level if I have to because it's just that important. Try dropping the tub an inch or two from the ground like you would with melted chocolate to level it out. Then, I like to spread with the back of my hand very gently. Compress lightly in the center, and then use your index finger and compress the sub touching the sides a little bit more so it almost makes a small ditch of sorts. The extra packed sides will hold moisture a little bit better so your sub wont pull away from the walls so quickly, but it does carry the risk of pooling water if you overmist.  Repeat until it looks pretty level when look at it from each side. THEN, add your casing layer and do it over again; they are separate layers after all. I always eyeball the casing layer; usually just try to cover all the grains and be able to level it all out with exposing many grain. Exposed grains are totally fine, but they're a good judge of how much sub you'll need to case.

Doing it this way was the difference between my sub pulling away from the walls, getting water down the sides early, ultimately leading to the perfect environment for side pins ; OR having a tub that started growing in the center before conditions on the side became optimal for growth. Your mileage may vary, but this has worked well for me!


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Re: Requesting opinions on my grow [Re: Jwardoin] * 1
    #26662772 - 05/10/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It is a surface condition issue. Until you can read a surface condition I feel its best to use a top layer. I feel that may be what Jwar is talking about. There is a casing layer and a top layer. I wont get into all that right now but when you mix your spawn and substrate together tamp it in and flatten and add about 1\4 inch top layer, the same material as your substarte and cover all exposed garin. creates a better micro climate.


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Re: Requesting opinions on my grow [Re: mweiss001]
    #26662805 - 05/10/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

U did an excellent job. Well done. U earn 5 Psychedelic Shrooms! :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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