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Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal?
    #26661648 - 05/10/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It always bothers me when I see people say shrooms are 'bad' for you, send you crazy or kill yourself whether it be talking to people or people saying it on the TV/internet... When 100% of the time(in my experience) these people don't have a clue what there talking about they know nothing about how the shrooms actually work and Probally never even tried them.

Like any substance you can take too much, we should understand our own limits for any drug.
If anyone took 5g+ of shrooms for the first time ofc it could end very badly... Just like a non-drinker drinking a whole bottle of vodka you it's just common sense.

You can go out to the clubs/bars anytime and find loads of junkies all high on their drug falling around, can't talk properly or passed out on the floor.... But this is accepted.

Some of the most outrageous crimes people have committed throughout history were influenced by alcohol or other substances not mushrooms lol.
Alcohol kills millions each year directly, and millions more in-directly.

I have a trip maybe once a month, sometimes twice a month.
I have no urge to trip every week, I have to build up abit of courage before I'm able to take them.
Ever since I started using shrooms as a medicine my quality of life has improved dramatically, I have hobbies now... I'm alot fitter.. Cut down on smoking weed Big time.. I eat healthyer now... I used to be suicidal... Overall I feel like they may have saved my life or atleast helped me to see the things I really enjoy in life and now I work hard to improve myself and my life.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26661710 - 05/10/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think your first paragraph covers it.

Some people don’t know a thing about psychedelics, and instead of admitting as much and having an open learning attitude, some will simply toss the whole category into the moralistic “bad” bin; probably trying to avoid facing a reality apart from the one they have already constructed for themselves, and especially one that allows for other novel thoughts to enter the mind without the conscious direction of their own perceived will.

In any case, try not to let it bother you. People are ignorant and afraid of a wide variety of things, yourself and myself included. Feel a bit sorry for their own reaction to their ignorance, but don’t get upset because of a person being ignorant, do realize we all swim in that ocean quite often.

The moralism part always bothered me too. Not only with drugs, but a lot of times, It’s too quick and easy to judge something good or bad without really considering the subject as it is.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26662069 - 05/10/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quite simply: They most often cause the user to question authority and there own purpose.

Alcohol suppresses conciseness, psychs expand it.

Which drug would you encourage if having power over peoples concept of reality is paramount?

Certain organizations and governments didn't burn books, hunt down detractors, and desperately try to hide any connection to their lineage because they are the truth way and the light I'm afraid.  :snapeslap:


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
    #26662289 - 05/10/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Shrooms kill.  ..... egos :vibin:


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26662319 - 05/10/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

"make love not war" is unacceptable to 'the man' in charge


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
    #26662321 - 05/10/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I agree alot of people dont want to learn it's just easyer to assume it's bad... Basically every single person I've heard talk about shrooms thinks that its just a drug you take if you want to see dragons and spacemonkeys.

Which is completely fine, if you don't need medicine then great your healthy and happy.
Some people need a little helping hand from nature, and where one seeks a cure nature provides a cure.



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Quite simply: They most often cause the user to question authority and there own purpose.




This is what I thought, well the authority part.
All about control, but what's the official reason?
That there harmful?


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26662392 - 05/10/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Because we think we can control our lives

assure safety, order, consistency, and goodness within this

after that the whole world is good and evil, and its all delusion. Then we argue over which delusions are correct.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Freedom]
    #26662538 - 05/10/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

We do control our own lives to a degree ha, we already have laws in place for safety and order.

Good and evil are human words for us to communicate and describe things, nature doesn't have morals.. Earth is just one big cluster fuck of different molds and bacterias fighting for survival, there's no rules and no judge. The strongest/most aggressive gets to survive the longest and that's the goal I guess.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26662826 - 05/10/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Recent moves in the US Justice Department may indicate we don't have the laws we used to have.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26662893 - 05/10/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They're largely seen as bad because of the culture war of the 60s. That established how everyone views psychedelics today. The counterculture totally blew it and lost big time. The fact that most people today think LSD will like destroy your brain or make you crazy or something and that mushrooms are poisonous etc. shows just how big the counterculture lost the war. It wasn't just a small loss, it was such an immense defeat that we're still throwing people in prison for LSD over 50 years later with no end in sight.

Even after all the people who were actually there are all dead, we'll still be dealing with the effects of a culture war that none of us were even a part of.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: nooneman]
    #26663004 - 05/10/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yep.  What nooneman said.  Also, because for a long long while throughout history whenever the Church came across lands, peoples, and psychedelic using cultures new to them that they didn’t understand-  they would persecute said people and infringe on their traditions of spirituality - especially if their sacraments was straight from nature.  Often they would ignorantly attribute such things to being “of satan or the devil” , as in, inherently evil / malevolent.  This practice was the norm for hundreds and hundreds of years, and worked I believe worked against the highest common good for humanity as a whole species in the end....

Unfortunately, such an undertaking by missionaries and others of the Church essentially sublimely and overtly worked like mind-control for the masses.  Many today wonder why it is like it is, besides the more obvious reasons - the aforementioned one is a large part why; although, most are usually unawares of how what is taking place subconsciously in them is in part fabricating their partly ignorant opinions regarding psychedelics.  Conditioning, in a word.

Look at where we ended up, and how we ended up today in regards to psychedelics and just things in general as a whole - in a world where it’s own very nature , which all share, is majorly ignorantly suppressed, denied, and lied about with the help of man made stories.  Maybe they and the cultures that use the will always only partially be above ground, with the majority of it underground - Mimicking and mirroring how psilocybe cubensis are found when in their natural state, with just the fruit above ground and the majority of it hidden beneath the surface.  Poetic in a way isn’t it?  Mysterious and peculiar, Easy to miss, partially veiled from sight, with much more to it than meets the eye. :mushroom2:

Still, this is only a partial explanation for the “why” question.

My biased wishful thinking is that Psychedelics will remain on earth so long as the biosphere remains teeming with sentient life,  right under our very noses - how perfectly fitting...:mushroom2:


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26663237 - 05/10/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal.

Many good answers here, basically the same reason why everything else is backwards.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26663281 - 05/10/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Good for you in your new and improved life! :cheers: The hypocrisy is obvious when it comes to the big killers alcohol and tobacco. My ex wife died of alcoholic dementia in March complicated by irreversible malnutrition and other conditions. This country is founded on a violent revolution. It was followed by an even vaster Civil War which developed all kinds of new weapons (I wrote my 11th grade term paper on that in high school). This country is rife with gun owners and worse, gun fetishists. I have known more than a few here in Miami and there are different degrees of creepy associated with these people.

That said, violence is acceptable in the USA partly because it's comprehensible, partly because it is an acceptable course to take for virtually anything. What is incomprehensible is feared far more than what is terrible but quite comprehensible. Getting drunk and becoming violent is comprehensible. Having one's mind blown by a psychedelic trip with the result that one's very values, inculcated since childhood are changed, is too threatening. When one sees through the shallowness of social games, or of status symbols in the form of clothes, cars, homes, neighborhoods, cities - like a nested Russian babushka doll - and one sees the things that really matter. I for one began my refusal to eat animals, a vegetarian-vegan value that began after my first psychedelic trip on Morning Glory seeds when the burger my mom gave me seemed to be undulating on the bun, breathing. I knew it was hallucinatory but the meaning was clear - this was a large, living, breathing animal. This is NOT what the agri-farmers, butchers, fast food purveyors that make up a meat-eating culture want to see, but it is a small thing compared to the promulgators of crass materialism.

Back in the day when an old flower-decorated VW Beetle was preferred over a shiny new Cadillac, the powers that be began to worry about the implications that 'psychedelic enlightenment' would have on consumerist Capitalistic America. Sandoz Pharmaceuticals in E. Hanover NJ could be seen from my childhood home. I used to make deliveries there. They 'leaked' millions of tiny light blue hits of acid into society. This is where Tim Leary and Dick Alpert bought their first doses. Before I met him, a college roommate came into possession of more than one baggy of 200 hits and he was just an average college guy. It was an experiment to see what would happen to society and it scared the CIA or whomever else was engineering the experiment. Scare propaganda spilled into the media: 'Hippies on LSD Stare at Sun and Go Blind,' 'Baby-Siitter Diapers Turkey and Roasts Baby,' 'LSD Cause Chromosome Damage - Causes Birth Defects'...Laws were swiftly enacted in each state with severe punitive actions against distributors and (God forbid) manufacturers of LSD, and the then President Nixon formed the DEA and enacted the scheduling of substances on a federal level with LSD and all associated psychedelics including Psulocybin, Psilocin, and their mushroom hosts making these substances Schedule I, "drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse."

Psychedelics are not toys. They are not for children who are still developing psychologically. They can cause severe damage if misused or if someone with a latent, pre-existing thought disorder takes them. I have seen acid casualties even when I was in high school in the late 60s and early 70s. Regardless, you are correct about the hypocrisy. :yesnod:


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26663395 - 05/10/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ty Markos, another undeniable facet of the Mosaic as to the overall -  “ Why? “.

All appropriate contributory posts in this thread, when taken in tandem, help answer the question more deeply and clearly.

Funny, how a fungi itself can sometimes aid in elucidating the truth of things so tacitly.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26663446 - 05/10/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If the whole society is FUBAR, it would be unreasonable to expect the attitude towards psychedelics, to be an exception.

Seems it is only because we constantly numb ourselves to reality, that we are surprised by this, or Trump.

We imagine because we no longer believe in Santa Claus, that we are in touch with reality, but much of waking life for most, is spent in distractions, of one sort or another.

Of course those living in poverty and war zones, may paradoxically, have a better grasp of the human condition.

I never read the book titled "I never promised you a rose garden", But I always thought it was a great title.

And I once, decades ago had a bumper sticker that said; " I feel much better since I gave up hope" ... think I got it from an ad in High Times magazine....they had a lot of funny stuff...


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26663720 - 05/11/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Why is human nature the way it is? :shrug:


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26663823 - 05/11/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:shrug:.

Peek a boo


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26664144 - 05/11/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

yeah well he's suppressing it, pushing it down and who'd want that

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realtive world

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less positive not negative

RIGHT?

it's bullshake bullslache I mean uhm dystopia? or not? closer to utopia? :smile:

utopia?

shrooms?

left wing hippie rasta man vibration politics?

open wings?

fly?

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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26667908 - 05/13/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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:shrug:.

Peek a boo




God playing peek-a-boo with him-herself (including God's Shadow, hence evil).


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26669528 - 05/13/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal?

Why are people irrational?
Why are 99% of  governments corrupt?
Why do 99% of governments/nations/civilizations have armies & go to war?
But not hunter gatherers?
Why are native people ok with entheogens ?

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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26669785 - 05/14/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They’re considered “bad” because most people do not think for themselves and believe things they’re told without personal experience.

Psychedelics are coming back, in terms of acceptability. But the price of the lost culture war has been enormous.

To give you an idea of how extensive the confusion is, I had a graduate student of psychology tell me once that LSD creates holes in your brain and stays in your spine for the rest of your life.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26670380 - 05/14/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Perhaps you just added what seemed important or obvious to yourself,

but if it was actually meant as a reply,
I fail to see how it elucidates any of the the points I raised:

"Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal?

Why are people irrational?
Why are 99% of  governments corrupt?
Why do 99% of governments/nations/civilizations have armies & go to war?
But not hunter gatherers?
Why are native people ok with entheogens ?"


"Many good answers here, basically the same reason why everything else is backwards."

"If the whole society is FUBAR, it would be unreasonable to expect the attitude towards psychedelics, to be an exception."

end of my points

.  And as you say: "They’re considered “bad” because most people do not think for themselves and believe things they’re told without personal experience." and that is of course one of the reasons why the "the whole (US) society  is FUBAR"; but only one.
.  Other minor factors are that it was founded by slave holders, proceeded to commit genocide, and pretended it was a democracy, while it has mistreated blacks, women and children for over 200 years.
.  Its been rotten from the beginning and has never stopped. It has the highest incarceration rate of any country on the planet, a pathetic infant mortality rate for a rich country, 600 to 800 military bases world wide, outsources torture, denies climate change, kills folks in other countries remotely by drone, tortures immigrants, ... the list could go on for quite a while, one just has to adapt the mindset of a detective or reporter, instead of someone employed to make nice Hallmark cards for every occasion.
.    The majority of folks living in such a shabby moral environment, are eventually affected by it, on some level, and many are deeply scarred. Seemingly rationality does not go along with the level of denial that is necessary to appear normal, or fit in comfortably with average folks, in such a culture.
.    Some countries are even worse, and some are better, but generally the further away from native and tribal life one gets, the worse it gets. IMO


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26670590 - 05/14/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There are no hunter-gatherer societies any longer and Alice is a fictionalized version of Alice Liddell. :shrug: No answers here. Consciousness and it's fraction that we call reason is sorely lacking in modern humanity. I was shocked and dismayed to see some 40% of Americans who voted support an obvious mad man.



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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26671903 - 05/15/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I believe, as Mr. :tmckenna: would so often say, it's due to "boundary dissolution".

Psychs destroy mental paradigms that society is built upon. Conspiracy theories aside, that component causes a lot of breakdown that would destroy a lot of useful things, as much as it would help things - for a bit, anyway, IMHO. Add to this other issues with people who aren't ready for this shit ingesting it on a whim, and you have a clusterfuck!


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26672187 - 05/15/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

behold the clusterfuck!


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26672567 - 05/15/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

All hail McKenna.  All hail McKenna.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26672647 - 05/15/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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They’re considered “bad” because most people do not think for themselves and believe things they’re told without personal experience.




Yeah I think this is a huge factor, and can be applied to lots of things not just shrooms.
Just easyer to be told what's good and bad rather than the effort of figuring it out yourself.


Natives and tribal people rely on mother nature, totally dependant on it.
Where as the governments what switch your dependency from nature to being dependant on the government instead... That way they control you.
Nature provides us everything we need, they just bottle it up and a sell it to us... Dont want people being able to help them self's for free everything has to be bought... Survival is bought.

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I believe, as Mr. :tmckenna: would so often say, it's due to "boundary dissolution".

Psychs destroy mental paradigms that society is built upon. Conspiracy theories aside, that component causes a lot of breakdown that would destroy a lot of useful things, as much as it would help things - for a bit, anyway, IMHO. Add to this other issues with people who aren't ready for this shit ingesting it on a whim, and you have a clusterfuck!



I agree, it would send the whole machine into chaos, everyone starting to relize that they can think for themselves and when the people start thinking this is bad for the man in charge.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 2
    #26672974 - 05/15/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The human being has narrowed specializations that involve narrowed states of consciousness: soldier, policeman, bureaucrat, cardiologist, dentist, etc.  Most of these professions are the consequence of having a population that hurts itself through degrading patterns of consumption, junk food, pills, sedentary habits.... these low states of consciousness lead to the degeneration and sickness that then prompts the various professions and specializations. 

"Information is not just sitting there. It is very powerful, and thought in general is very powerful. It has produced everything - farmland, industry, governments, religions, schools, technology and science, it has produced everything you see. It's almost impossible to find a part of the world that has not been influenced by thought.

The whole process of thought doesn't want to acknowledge this. Thought says, "we've got to grow." and thought says, "we've got to get rid of the consequences of growth.", which means, "we've got to grow without consequences." [David Bohm: results you don't want]


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26675896 - 05/16/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

We all know what psychedelics do on various levels. It was my generation that 'believed' that they were going to change the world: from the Beatles to Leary, Alpert & Metzner, Ken Kesey et al., psychedelic subculture and many of its artists and musicians, the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, and many reputable scientists and researcher included. Change did happen, but not to the macro-culture. I mean psychedelic poster shops in Morristown, NJ or Bleeker & McDougal in NYC's East Village did not remain past 1969 or 1970. The Beatles clothes didn't remain at the Sgt. Pepper's phase and bell bottom jeans eventually vanished along with black light and blacklight posters. In the mid 1970s I remember long hair being coifed, clog shoes for men replacing moccasins and sandals, and most poignantly of all perhaps, simple colorful strings of love beads were replaced by gold-plated razor blades as disco pushed out acid rock and cocaine-crazed money-culture ousted psychedelia and its idealism as the dominant youth culture. 

But, Bill Gates took acid, Steve Jobs took acid, Francis Crick envisioned a double helix while on acid and showed us what DNA is like. When some rare individuals who already have a gift psychedelics can amplify that gift. It's not for everyone as not everyone has a gift to enhance. Although it doesn't compare to the earlier examples, on June 12, 1970 Pittsburgh Pirates pitcher Dock Ellis pitched a no-hitter game against the San Diego Padres while tripping, a feat never to be repeated since. My old townie friend Ray made some money shooting pool at some NJ bar while on acid because he could visualize the lines of incidence and reflectance on the pool table. Hardly worth a mention except to make the point that psychedelics can and do enhance individuals even amongst the humble, but it is the nature of the individuals that in turn creates change. To wit, Microsoft, Apple, and DNA are enormous change-agents on a global and historical scale.



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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26676295 - 05/17/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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When some rare individuals who already have a gift psychedelics can amplify that gift. It's not for everyone as not everyone has a gift to enhance.




I absolutely 100% agree with this statement.

The implications of this are also vast, as well as obvious (not in a derogatory sense at all, mind you; just plain as day once you can "see" it) IMHO.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26676422 - 05/17/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

true :sad:


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26677943 - 05/17/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The way I see it, there are several reasons. The main ones are that...
1. Shrooms are difficult to make a profit off of. they grow everywhere, cannot be patented like pharmaceuticals, and if they were accepted in society, people would wake up to the commercialized atmosphere and the suffering that results from it. They would not perpetuate exploitation of labor and animal cruelty because they would have more empathy.
2. Individuals who react negatively, from my point of view, do so because they are afraid of losing control over Nature. Not that doing mushrooms makes you lose this control; on the contrary, it can give you more freedom as you sync up with Nature. These individuals who fear the mushroom tend to like to go through life according to plan. This is just my generalization of them. I don't view them negatively. Only different. And shrooms can be scary for anyone; some find it worth it though.
3. I think they are illegal now where I live because of the culture war and elites seeking to continue their reign. This could very well be driven by capitalist impulse. Again, main reason #1: Laws of Western society seem very driven by profits. Shrooms are not addictive and are easy and cheap to grow, so not much money in that. Plus, shroomers generally find value in nonmaterial things. Whether it's intellect, spirit, wisdom, or social connection, these are all free.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Ancient Mariner]
    #26678420 - 05/18/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

yes culture war and mental slavery.
it's tribal suppression (enacted through laws - supposedly democratic)
especially of lower, enslaved, or conquered classes (even long after they have been emancipated).

our mnds are supposedly on parole, i.e. we are free only if we are not free


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26681630 - 05/19/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

.  It is convenient to blame society, or most societies, for our problems, and assume we are free of its worst & most egregious follies.

.  I wonder from time to time, if the smartest folks didn't leave the US (& some other repressive Nations) long ago & become expatriates.

.  Because many have stayed and probably desired a comfortable life, they continue to have hope, and vote for political candidates they think will improve things. That this may be, in some ways, a little similar to switching to low tar cigarettes, does not occur to them. Hence as things go downhill continually over the decades, they wonder why. And are surprised by each new downward step.

.  Those who don't need a weatherman, needn't try to have an explanation, for every downward step. The deeper causes seem embarrassingly obvious.
.  Meanwhile others join the army, navy, or marines, to get out of bad life situations, or afford an education and come home with PTSD, missing limbs & so on.
.  Mushroom legislation & attitudes seem the tip of the iceberg, IMO. Though on the other hand of course its all connected.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26681834 - 05/19/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

this thread is about that iceberg tip pushing mushrooms down


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26681849 - 05/19/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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this thread is about that iceberg tip pushing mushrooms down




sounds like you want to be a moderator.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26682608 - 05/20/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

are moderators poets that bind sheafs into bundles?


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26683039 - 05/20/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

monitor lizards seem synchronous with this quote from Cory Duchesne 

"People seem good while they are oppressed, but they only wish to become oppressors in their turn: life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim."
– Bertrand Russell, Letter to Ottoline Morrell, 17 December, 1920

anyway, as if it mattered, tips don't push icebergs down.
buoyancy definition: "the upward force that a fluid exerts on an object less dense than itself."
or "buoyancy = weight of displaced fluid." and the tip displaces no water. So the opposite is the case: the part that is submerged determines the size of the tip.
So its not even a good metaphor.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26683059 - 05/20/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

excuse me, try this
A. measure how much is submerged.
B. remove tip.
c. measure how much is still submerged.
A=B+C (Archimedes principle)

this completely contradicts what you just posted, but you expected that right?!

the more tip you have the more deeply the berg is submerged.
no tip at all, no submergence. no berg.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26683333 - 05/20/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The key is that "Water is unusual in that its maximum density occurs as a liquid, rather than as a solid. This means ice floats on water." or more accurately in water. As the tip is a smaller fraction of the total weight of the ice, it contributes less to the level at which the ice floats. About 89.46% is below the 'water line'. This displacement of the water provides the lifting power. The weight of the 10.54% above water contributes little. It is of course a combination of factors, but to claim that the tip is the controlling or repressive factor is clearly a distortion. If the tip is removed the ice berg will rise and a new small bit now called a "tip" will be created, so the old tip was unable to keep it down to any great degree, rather it is the differential in density between ice and water, that is the controlling factor, and not the weight of the ice per se.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26683457 - 05/20/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

you sound like you convinced yourself about the opposite of archimedes,
maybe if it were an iceberg shaped like a boat, but the point adds weight and that pushes it down.

doesn't matter it's tangential. society is not governed by iceberg mechanics, more of monkey see monkey do all the way through.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26686773 - 05/21/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Someone once told me that if decisions are made that don't seem to make sense, follow the money and it will start to make more sense.

I won't bore everyone with a bunch of corporate history, but the short version is that there are a lot of politically-tied corporate interests in the opiate industry. Anything else is competition.

Any time a well-funded and well established industry is threatened by an upstart that could topple the financial security of those at the top, laws often pop up that are advantageous for the old guard.

So, the question could be rephrased: "Can the established big pharmaceutical corporations control it and make a profit on a given drug?" If the answer is no, then it is probably not going to get any corporate support... only corporate opposition. Also... "Who is providing more funding for politicians, giant pharmaceutical corporations, or things that grow in the ground?"


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #26687756 - 05/22/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

follow the money is a good approach for both crime and legislation


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26687825 - 05/22/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah all about money really at the end of the day,  it's crazy the criminal politicians make laws to punish other criminals.
They destroy millions of peoples lives with their greed and stupid laws with no real evidence just based around making money.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26687954 - 05/22/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Who can explain anything? Why do kids keep asking why after every answer?
On one level there are sociological answers, or more accurately opinions,
and that can be sub divided into arguments about economics, politics & so on,
Go down a level & we have answers or more accurately opinions, about 'human nature'.
down a level perhaps 'biology,  must be dealt with and so on.

Simpler just to realize its a plot against us all. :smile: And whine about about how unjust reality is.

Then again perhaps some folks, save energy & just deal with it.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26687960 - 05/22/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The pursuit of truth is meaningful in itself and tasting the fruit of one’s path in doing so , is exalted.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26688091 - 05/22/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The pursuit of truth is meaningful in itself and tasting the fruit of one’s path in doing so , is exalted.



maybe premature rather than exalted.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26688103 - 05/22/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Only if the fruits not ripe.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26688179 - 05/22/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The pursuit of truth is meaningful in itself and tasting the fruit of one’s path in doing so , is exalted.




many pursue their own opinions and imagine it is truth, like puppies and their tails.

In the case of the repression of the use of ethenogens in many western civilizations part of the answer as to the cause has to do with random historical events and personalities, hence different laws in different countries.
To learn a bit about this may be of some interest to some, but hardly what I would call exalted.
And a preoccupation, with the subject sounds like simple bitching after awhile.
Yeah dude the man sucks, big money is an instrument of  Babylon&  big-pharma stinks -- wow man that's deeeep!

Meanwhile those in the cultivation forum deal with reality as it is now.
And to ignore this, and the cautions that it requires, while pursuing the causes of the  ethenogens 'illegality' would have a result rather far from exalted indeed.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26688209 - 05/22/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wasn't referring to entheogens.
Regardless
Thanks for sharing your experience!


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26690339 - 05/23/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Didn't think dharma or search for truth excluded anything.

My post was not specifically about mushrooms or related Rx

1) Simply that theorizing without  evidence, reference to history, & experiment is mostly just opinion.

2) that ignoring reality, or wasting time disliking it, without doing anything to fix it, is at best a waste of time and often leads to misfortune, or in the case of drugs prison. And in the case of Covid-19 death.

3) if folks want to continue to "debate" "causes" here;  they are, 'it goes without saying', entirely free to do so.

4) and you are, of course totally free, to limit what you see as Dhama or the search for truth, as you see fit.

Exactly as you have perhaps recognized, I only shared some unoriginal views on such matters, in the odd event some might find a reminder of these ancient teachings, briefly useful.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26694962 - 05/25/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I was listening to White Rabbit when it was first released. Grace Slick once accepted a bunch of chrysanthemums from me (looking closely to see if I was sincere and not doing this for show), and then she spread them out on the piano on stage. I couldn't afford roses. Like a lot of people my age I had a thing for Grace.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26695111 - 05/25/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A nice memory, to be sure


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26696719 - 05/26/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

More answers:

The Psychology of Obedience and The Virtue of Disobedience




Public Schools, the Fixation of Belief, and Social Control



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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #26753015 - 06/17/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting thread.

My semi-conspiracy theory is that the Project MKUltra experiments revealed the tendency for psychedelics to enhance empathy in people, something that isn't exactly conducive to capitalism. As a result there was a special effort made to crack down on the counterculture of the time and clamp down on drug use - even though then as now there isn't a great deal of physical or social harm caused by hallucinogenic drugs, certainly not compared to things like alcohol and tobacco.

I have no idea if that is actually the case, it seems like it could be somewhat plausible at least.

I think another factor is that hallucinogenic drugs are 'harder' to use compared to crap like meth. It feels like the energy you get from them is actually coming from within rather than simply a dumptruck full of dopamine being emptied into your brain. It's fairly straightforward to just hoover a line of meth or whatever and have a good time. By comparison I doubt many people who try shrooms or other hallucinogens for the first time understand the preparation needed to have a successful trip, and as a result have a pretty ordinary time.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: goonwolf]
    #26755551 - 06/18/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Mankind will free itself from slavery when it stops using money to insure the maintenance of mere superficial appearance.  Until then, mankind desperately tries to manipulate the truth to purchase the guarantee of obedience from his nearest and dearest.  Man's idea of improvement is aiming for higher levels of obedience from others. What happens when we move away from this effort to bludgeon the other into perfect conformity?


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26755566 - 06/18/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Ever since I started using shrooms as a medicine my quality of life has improved dramatically, I have hobbies now... I'm alot fitter.. Cut down on smoking weed Big time.. I eat healthier now... I used to be suicidal... Overall I feel like they may have saved my life or atleast helped me to see the things I really enjoy in life and now I work hard to improve myself and my life.




Why are they illegal? Your words above answers the question.
They don't want those improvements for us..also that free thinking thing would really fuck with the mind fuck they're pulling


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26755648 - 06/18/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Shrooms are mildly toxic and can cause digestive issues for some. This could be remedied with pure extracts.

They're exciting and a little bit dangerous. They reveal the ego.

Being a little bit dangerous they can contribute to bad outcomes. Brings to mind the fighter who gouged out his partners eyes and heart. Or course, it takes a certain level of fucked up to begin with, but you never really know what might happen.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Rahz]
    #26756343 - 06/19/20 05:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

it's a law 'n order charade, pardner

elections are all that matter. the charade is endless.


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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26756893 - 06/19/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Surely we can't ban something cause it 'could' be dangerous, tobacco and alcohol are deadly but yet we still have those.

Some of the worst crimes in the world were done by drunk people, yet we don't say that the alcohol caused it.

Any drug in high enough doses could be bad, if I drank 4 bottles of vodka I'd Probally die... But that's fine as long as the government gets my tax money off the vodka


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