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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
#26683457 - 05/20/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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you sound like you convinced yourself about the opposite of archimedes, maybe if it were an iceberg shaped like a boat, but the point adds weight and that pushes it down.
doesn't matter it's tangential. society is not governed by iceberg mechanics, more of monkey see monkey do all the way through.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26686773 - 05/21/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Someone once told me that if decisions are made that don't seem to make sense, follow the money and it will start to make more sense.
I won't bore everyone with a bunch of corporate history, but the short version is that there are a lot of politically-tied corporate interests in the opiate industry. Anything else is competition.
Any time a well-funded and well established industry is threatened by an upstart that could topple the financial security of those at the top, laws often pop up that are advantageous for the old guard.
So, the question could be rephrased: "Can the established big pharmaceutical corporations control it and make a profit on a given drug?" If the answer is no, then it is probably not going to get any corporate support... only corporate opposition. Also... "Who is providing more funding for politicians, giant pharmaceutical corporations, or things that grow in the ground?"
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#26687756 - 05/22/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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follow the money is a good approach for both crime and legislation
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26687825 - 05/22/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah all about money really at the end of the day, it's crazy the criminal politicians make laws to punish other criminals. They destroy millions of peoples lives with their greed and stupid laws with no real evidence just based around making money.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Kmacmo]
#26687954 - 05/22/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Who can explain anything? Why do kids keep asking why after every answer? On one level there are sociological answers, or more accurately opinions, and that can be sub divided into arguments about economics, politics & so on, Go down a level & we have answers or more accurately opinions, about 'human nature'. down a level perhaps 'biology, must be dealt with and so on.
Simpler just to realize its a plot against us all. And whine about about how unjust reality is.
Then again perhaps some folks, save energy & just deal with it.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
#26687960 - 05/22/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The pursuit of truth is meaningful in itself and tasting the fruit of one’s path in doing so , is exalted.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26688091 - 05/22/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: The pursuit of truth is meaningful in itself and tasting the fruit of one’s path in doing so , is exalted.
maybe premature rather than exalted. keep up the good pursuit.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26688103 - 05/22/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Only if the fruits not ripe.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26688179 - 05/22/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: The pursuit of truth is meaningful in itself and tasting the fruit of one’s path in doing so , is exalted.
many pursue their own opinions and imagine it is truth, like puppies and their tails.
In the case of the repression of the use of ethenogens in many western civilizations part of the answer as to the cause has to do with random historical events and personalities, hence different laws in different countries. To learn a bit about this may be of some interest to some, but hardly what I would call exalted. And a preoccupation, with the subject sounds like simple bitching after awhile. Yeah dude the man sucks, big money is an instrument of Babylon& big-pharma stinks -- wow man that's deeeep!
Meanwhile those in the cultivation forum deal with reality as it is now. And to ignore this, and the cautions that it requires, while pursuing the causes of the ethenogens 'illegality' would have a result rather far from exalted indeed.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
#26688209 - 05/22/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wasn't referring to entheogens. Regardless Thanks for sharing your experience!
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Edited by The Blind Ass (05/22/20 01:26 PM)
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26690339 - 05/23/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Didn't think dharma or search for truth excluded anything.
My post was not specifically about mushrooms or related Rx
1) Simply that theorizing without evidence, reference to history, & experiment is mostly just opinion.
2) that ignoring reality, or wasting time disliking it, without doing anything to fix it, is at best a waste of time and often leads to misfortune, or in the case of drugs prison. And in the case of Covid-19 death.
3) if folks want to continue to "debate" "causes" here; they are, 'it goes without saying', entirely free to do so.
4) and you are, of course totally free, to limit what you see as Dhama or the search for truth, as you see fit.
Exactly as you have perhaps recognized, I only shared some unoriginal views on such matters, in the odd event some might find a reminder of these ancient teachings, briefly useful.
Edited by laughingdog (05/23/20 01:22 PM)
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
#26694962 - 05/25/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was listening to White Rabbit when it was first released. Grace Slick once accepted a bunch of chrysanthemums from me (looking closely to see if I was sincere and not doing this for show), and then she spread them out on the piano on stage. I couldn't afford roses. Like a lot of people my age I had a thing for Grace.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#26695111 - 05/25/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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A nice memory, to be sure
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: laughingdog]
#26696719 - 05/26/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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More answers:
The Psychology of Obedience and The Virtue of Disobedience
Public Schools, the Fixation of Belief, and Social Control
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#26753015 - 06/17/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting thread.
My semi-conspiracy theory is that the Project MKUltra experiments revealed the tendency for psychedelics to enhance empathy in people, something that isn't exactly conducive to capitalism. As a result there was a special effort made to crack down on the counterculture of the time and clamp down on drug use - even though then as now there isn't a great deal of physical or social harm caused by hallucinogenic drugs, certainly not compared to things like alcohol and tobacco.
I have no idea if that is actually the case, it seems like it could be somewhat plausible at least.
I think another factor is that hallucinogenic drugs are 'harder' to use compared to crap like meth. It feels like the energy you get from them is actually coming from within rather than simply a dumptruck full of dopamine being emptied into your brain. It's fairly straightforward to just hoover a line of meth or whatever and have a good time. By comparison I doubt many people who try shrooms or other hallucinogens for the first time understand the preparation needed to have a successful trip, and as a result have a pretty ordinary time.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: goonwolf]
#26755551 - 06/18/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mankind will free itself from slavery when it stops using money to insure the maintenance of mere superficial appearance. Until then, mankind desperately tries to manipulate the truth to purchase the guarantee of obedience from his nearest and dearest. Man's idea of improvement is aiming for higher levels of obedience from others. What happens when we move away from this effort to bludgeon the other into perfect conformity?
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Kmacmo]
#26755566 - 06/18/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kmacmo said: Ever since I started using shrooms as a medicine my quality of life has improved dramatically, I have hobbies now... I'm alot fitter.. Cut down on smoking weed Big time.. I eat healthier now... I used to be suicidal... Overall I feel like they may have saved my life or atleast helped me to see the things I really enjoy in life and now I work hard to improve myself and my life.
Why are they illegal? Your words above answers the question. They don't want those improvements for us..also that free thinking thing would really fuck with the mind fuck they're pulling
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: TheStallionMang]
#26755648 - 06/18/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shrooms are mildly toxic and can cause digestive issues for some. This could be remedied with pure extracts.
They're exciting and a little bit dangerous. They reveal the ego.
Being a little bit dangerous they can contribute to bad outcomes. Brings to mind the fighter who gouged out his partners eyes and heart. Or course, it takes a certain level of fucked up to begin with, but you never really know what might happen.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: Rahz]
#26756343 - 06/19/20 05:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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it's a law 'n order charade, pardner
elections are all that matter. the charade is endless.
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Re: Why are shrooms seen as 'bad' by society, and why are they illegal? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26756893 - 06/19/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Surely we can't ban something cause it 'could' be dangerous, tobacco and alcohol are deadly but yet we still have those.
Some of the worst crimes in the world were done by drunk people, yet we don't say that the alcohol caused it.
Any drug in high enough doses could be bad, if I drank 4 bottles of vodka I'd Probally die... But that's fine as long as the government gets my tax money off the vodka
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