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Whangarei ID request
#26661469 - 05/10/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Habitat: Growing under ma lemon tree!!! I mulched quite a few tress in my garden with some partially decomposed flame tree wood chip about 2 years ago. Grass has grown over it but I'm pretty sure its the wood chip.
Gills: Creamy white, attached/not -- matches adnexed, gills
Stem: Length 4-8cms, diameter 2-4mms, colour -white, hollow, thin.
Cap: Diameter 1-2.5cms, color - light brown, , spherical with a bit of a raised dimple, concave.
Spore print color: was unable to get a spore print from the first lot I found. Currently trying to get one from a second small patch I found under a neighbouring tree. Unfortunately they were a bit older... peaking through the glass though it looks promising - at least a dark colour. Very important!
Bruising: Color that the mushroom bruises, if any. BLUE!
Other information: After attempting to take a spore print from the largest cap, I pulled it apart a little and it appeared to have a separable membrane/outer skin, it was slightly dried out though at this point...






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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26661472 - 05/10/20 02:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Psilocybe sp. possibly angulospora
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: OOISI]
#26661478 - 05/10/20 02:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes, Psilocybe sp. and i concur possibly angulospora
That first photo is beautiful
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: obtuse]
#26661599 - 05/10/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Okay thanks for the replies. Wondering if any folks round Auckland or north of can confirm that they grow this far up. Will hopefully have a print tomorrow
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26661639 - 05/10/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice find! They've been found in Taiwan and I found it in northern Vietnam, so I'm sure you can find them in northern NZ as well.
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26661721 - 05/10/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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What a beautiful and unique find! Way to go
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26662317 - 05/10/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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sam11 said: Okay thanks for the replies. Wondering if any folks round Auckland or north of can confirm that they grow this far up. Will hopefully have a print tomorrow
Yes, this is P. angulospora, it has been seen in your area before.
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: inski]
#26662536 - 05/10/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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 Okay I managed to get a pretty crappy print from a smaller older one I found then next day
 Hard for me to be 100% sure they are the same mushroom as were a bit older
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26662607 - 05/10/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats a sick find! I know little about this species!
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: Joust]
#26662674 - 05/10/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cool looking psilocybe find
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26662844 - 05/10/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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 Okay I managed to get a pretty crappy print from a smaller older one I found then next day
 Hard for me to be 100% sure they are the same mushroom as were a bit older
I thought P. angulospora did not drop spore prints.
Perhaps you printed an old P. tasmaniana cap in stead.
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As I said that print is from a second patch (dunno if 4 counts as a patch) next to neighbouring tree which got the same treatment re mulch etc. They were approximately 4m away and were far from fresh so I have wondered why I got a print from them but not the one in my first photo. Initially I thought perhaps it was because I pinched it's stem then left it over night and only realized that I had something the following day. The second patch had gills that were a bit darker. What do you think? Do they look like different types?
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663081 - 05/10/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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sam11 said: As I said that print is from a second patch (dunno if 4 counts as a patch) next to neighbouring tree which got the same treatment re mulch etc. They were approximately 4m away and were far from fresh so I have wondered why I got a print from them but not the one in my first photo. Initially I thought perhaps it was because I pinched it's stem then left it over night and only realized that I had something the following day. The second patch had gills that were a bit darker. What do you think? Do they look like different types?
I thinks that the mushrooms that don't drop prints (white gills) are Psilocybe angulospora
    
Psilocybe tasmaniana are often found fruiting along side (or in close proximity) to the aforementioned Psilocybe angulospora...
Psilocybe tasmaniana do leave a sporeprint...
   
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663091 - 05/10/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Psilocybe tasmaniana

Psilocybe angulospora

There you go buddy, Roger confirmed.
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Well if you're right Rodger then I'd be ,very happy..... I feel a lot more confident in the first ID because I got some good pics while it was in semi decent condition. Were you able make out any purple in that print? I don't trust myself judge as I favour one outcome too much. I'll be watching this spot very closely and hopefully be able to collect a better sample. It popped up after we dropped below 10 over night for a few nights. Hopefully early next week we'll get similar conditions. I was considering heavily watering the day before temps drop any tips on helping to trigger fruiting?
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663131 - 05/10/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh sorry to report Rodger those 2 photos are of the same shroom... took one before removing the stem to take print. Obviously I munted it in the process... fucken amateurs. Next time I'm going to be a bit more careful. If you look at my original post they are the first spot then the pics with the print are 2nd spot. Anyway will try to update if I can
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Never mind bro, If this mushroom has dark gills it's Psilocybe tasmaniana. I'm stoned/cocky/your picture quality sucks. 
But it real life I'm sharp at differentiating Psilocybe angulospora and Psilocybe tasmaniana, your picture quality is terrible. That mushroom could be either of the aforementioned.
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Sorry I'm blitzed at the moment.
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663150 - 05/10/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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All are 100% Psilocybe angulospoara
     
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663154 - 05/10/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a Psilocybe tasmaniana mushroom, I totally see the dark gills through that hole in the cap. 
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Yeah I realise that they aren't great... anyway I appreciate the help/feedback and will endeavour to get some better pics next time. What's your experience with the dosage of these guys? They're tiny, almost as small as some I picked in the north of England and I recall having about 20 odd at a time
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Cool. Certainly the second lot had darker gills. Thanks again
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663164 - 05/10/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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 Okay I managed to get a pretty crappy print from a smaller older one I found then next day
 Hard for me to be 100% sure they are the same mushroom as were a bit older
Yeah bro. I would totally put my left nut on the chopping board for these being Psilocybe tasmaniana, even though your specimen quality and picture quality suck balls.
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Only the left one huh..... now I'm not so sure.
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663170 - 05/10/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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sam11 said: Yeah I realise that they aren't great... anyway I appreciate the help/feedback and will endeavour to get some better pics next time. What's your experience with the dosage of these guys? They're tiny, almost as small as some I picked in the north of England and I recall having about 20 odd at a time
The first time I found Psilocybe tasmaniana mushrooms I ate just one really big one fresh and I sure felt it, they are perhaps Psilocybe subaeruginosa level potency, you could sure categorize them as extremely potent.
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Okay mine seem fairly small... I doubt I'd have more than 0.2g of the tasmaniana, maybe a little more of the others. Any experience with them? These are the first nth island mushies I've found.
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sam11 said: Only the left one huh..... now I'm not so sure.
Ok fine. I'll put my whole nutsack on the chopping board for these being 100% Psilocybe tasmaniana...
 
I have seen so many of these things in real life. I was up to my elbows in these things at a point. I know the species well enough.
That opaque golden-brown/blue cap with purple gills underneath, look at that bite in the cap. I see purple gills underneath.
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663204 - 05/10/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Think I'll be keeping these for the time being and hope for more. Got to get out and find more spots..
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663206 - 05/10/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah slugs got in before me.
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663221 - 05/10/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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sam11 said: As I said that print is from a second patch (dunno if 4 counts as a patch) next to neighbouring tree which got the same treatment re mulch etc. They were approximately 4m away and were far from fresh so I have wondered why I got a print from them but not the one in my first photo. Initially I thought perhaps it was because I pinched it's stem then left it over night and only realized that I had something the following day. The second patch had gills that were a bit darker. What do you think? Do they look like different types?
I thinks that the mushrooms that don't drop prints (white gills) are Psilocybe angulospora
    
Psilocybe tasmaniana are often found fruiting along side (or in close proximity) to the aforementioned Psilocybe angulospora...
Psilocybe tasmaniana do leave a sporeprint...
    
Hey the pics of the Psilocybe tasmaniana have little blue green balls in the soil around them.. is that yara mela by chance
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663303 - 05/10/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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sam11 said: Okay mine seem fairly small... I doubt I'd have more than 0.2g of the tasmaniana, maybe a little more of the others. Any experience with them? These are the first nth island mossies I've found.
I would say that Psilocybe tasmaniana are a little bit more potent than Psilocybe angulospora. Possibly. Potency might overlap from population to population though. Fuck knows honestly. Woodlover psilocybe mushrooms are generally potent/have a decent bite to them.
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Re: Whangarei ID request [Re: sam11]
#26663312 - 05/10/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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sam11 said: Hey the pics of the Psilocybe tasmaniana have little blue green balls in the soil around them.. is that yara mela by chance
You tell me. Fuck knows. Those little blue green balls whatever the fuck they were seem to have decomposed over time though, those pics are fairly old.
That place still fruits mushrooms, but the little ball things vanished over time.
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looks like an artificial fertiliser to me. caught my eye because i have used something that looks similar on my trees, it dissolves over a few weeks depending on rain etc. wondering what to do with my spore print.. have read about spraying it round with water but thought about putting the whole thing in one spot under some bark chip..
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