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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665287 - 05/11/20 07:44 PM (20 days, 7 hours ago)

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Determining probable cause of a crime is a lot different than determining "if a crime occurred", as koods specifically said, especially considering the grand jury proceedings are led by a prosecutor and the defendant has no right to present.



Not really. It's a determination. The standard is lower than to convict,  but it's still making a determination.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
    #26665289 - 05/11/20 07:44 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

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Do you have a point?



Yes.  My point is the same as before - that "Russia-Gate began under the Obama administration".


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
    #26665291 - 05/11/20 07:45 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

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It's a determination. The standard is lower than to convict,  but it's still making a determination.



It's a LOT lower.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665293 - 05/11/20 07:46 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

Well yeah... that's the level needed to bring charges.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
    #26665295 - 05/11/20 07:47 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

Ok. A crime occurred. A grand jury was impanelled and charges were filed. What exactly is your problem with this?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
    #26665298 - 05/11/20 07:50 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

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Ok. A crime occurred.



Source?  Or make believe?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665311 - 05/11/20 07:55 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

Ok this conversation is useless if you’re going to deny that hacking private email accounts is a crime


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
    #26665321 - 05/11/20 08:01 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

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Ok. A crime occurred. A grand jury was impanelled and charges were filed. What exactly is your problem with this?



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Ok this conversation is useless if you’re going to deny that hacking private email accounts is a crime



So you're arguing that a grand jury is good enough to prove a crime that you want to believe, but it's not good enough for a crime that you don't want to believe, which requires being found guilty in court.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665332 - 05/11/20 08:04 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

How is this not trolling? Falcon is not debating In good faith.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665333 - 05/11/20 08:05 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

That case is still pending... we won't know who did what until it's resolved.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
    #26665339 - 05/11/20 08:07 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

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That case is still pending... we won't know who did what until it's resolved.



So you're saying koods is wrong.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665344 - 05/11/20 08:10 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

No. He has his opinion. He may be right.  He may be wrong. Only time will tell.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
    #26665349 - 05/11/20 08:12 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

Fair enough.  He should have said that was his opinion, and not stated it as a fact.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665354 - 05/11/20 08:14 PM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

Well, no one here has any inside information. You should be able to process a post and make certain assumptions without that being explicitly stated.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665528 - 05/11/20 10:08 PM (20 days, 4 hours ago)

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Do you have a point?



Yes.  My point is the same as before - that "Russia-Gate began under the Obama administration".



In your deluded narrative


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26665615 - 05/11/20 11:09 PM (20 days, 3 hours ago)

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Do you have a point?



Yes.  My point is the same as before - that "Russia-Gate began under the Obama administration".



In your deluded narrative



So you don't think Russia-Gate started in the summer of 2016?  You think they waited until after Trump took office?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665646 - 05/12/20 12:01 AM (20 days, 2 hours ago)

I don't think Russia gate happened the way you think it did or even happened at all. It's easier to call it a conspiracy then look aat what happened that's negative to trumps circle and specifically the hackings.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #26665685 - 05/12/20 01:26 AM (20 days, 1 hour ago)

In July of 2016 (WAY before Trump was elected president and before you contributed much to the political forum), I already noted a lack of evidence that Russia was behind the DNC hack.

Pretty much everyone was telling me how stupid I was for not believing the official story and wanting evidence (shoutout to wooof for being the only one who originally backed me up).  "Just wait until Sessions finishes his investigation", everyone told me, "and the official story will be proven correct" (I'm paraphrasing).

I suspected they wouldn't find anything, because every little detail they found was leaked to the press, and none of it was evidence of election interference between the Russian Government and the Trump team.

Sessions didn't find anything, and then Mueller took over.  After a massive and lengthy investigation, Mueller conceded that his team couldn't find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities".  In fact, the Mueller report didn't contain any new evidence that hadn't already been leaked to the press.


Now that I've patted myself on the back, what don't you think happened the way I think it did?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665728 - 05/12/20 03:25 AM (19 days, 23 hours ago)

Why are you patting yourself on the back when you were wrong?

You live in an alternate reality dude


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: qman] * 1
    #26665870 - 05/12/20 06:48 AM (19 days, 19 hours ago)

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And yet the bipartisan intelligence committee of the Republican majority Senate recently reported their conclusion that Russian interference did help elect Donald Trump.





What methodology did they use to come up with that conclusion?




Methodology? They're not social scientists. They're members of congress.

I would be asking what's their motivation? My theory is that Trump's party is turning on him.




Oh, I thought maybe they had some form of evidence that would back up the serious claim. It's just another case of pulling stuff out of their ass when it comes to Russia election "interference".




What methodology does Trump use when he's making decisions such as issuing executive orders?

I have always made my position clear. I am for anything that is against Trump. We are well beyond the point in history when the truth counted in politics. The Democrats could not destroy Trump. The little virus will. You always have to look for the silver lining.





"I am for anything that is against Trump"

Thank you for being intellectually honest to admit you're intellectually dishonest when it comes to issues involving Trump.




Since we already know that I believe the political world is post-truth, the term intellectual honesty is childish to me, like Santa Claus being real. 

In the 80's and 90's I spent 7 years working with people who were professional intellectuals and I didn't see a great deal of honesty there either.


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