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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
    #26665136 - 05/11/20 06:42 PM (2 months, 1 hour ago)

Didn't a grand jury decide Mueller could conduct a criminal investigation?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665172 - 05/11/20 07:05 PM (2 months, 57 minutes ago)

No. A grand jury doesn't decide things like that.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665177 - 05/11/20 07:08 PM (2 months, 54 minutes ago)

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It began when Russia hacked the DNC.



Russia's been spying on the US since well before that.




So what? It’s still a crime.

Are you suggesting crimes shouldn’t be investigated?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
    #26665178 - 05/11/20 07:08 PM (2 months, 53 minutes ago)

What was the purpose of the grand jury?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665182 - 05/11/20 07:10 PM (2 months, 52 minutes ago)

Which grand jury?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665186 - 05/11/20 07:11 PM (2 months, 51 minutes ago)

To consider evidence and testimony to determine if a crime occurred


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665193 - 05/11/20 07:13 PM (2 months, 49 minutes ago)

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Russia-Gate began under the Obama administration.



It began when Russia hacked the DNC.



Russia's been spying on the US since well before that.



So what? It’s still a crime.
Are you suggesting crimes shouldn’t be investigated?



No, I'm suggesting Russia-Gate didn't start when Russia started spying on us.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
    #26665200 - 05/11/20 07:15 PM (2 months, 46 minutes ago)

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Which grand jury?



The one that Mueller requested.  Why did Mueller request a grand jury?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665203 - 05/11/20 07:17 PM (2 months, 45 minutes ago)

One grand jury indicted Russian agents for the hacking. Another indicted Russians for election interference.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
    #26665206 - 05/11/20 07:19 PM (2 months, 43 minutes ago)

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What was the purpose of the grand jury?



To consider evidence and testimony to determine if a crime occurred



I don't think a grand jury decides if a crime occurred, especially considering the proceedings are led by a prosecutor and the defendant has no right to present.  Enlil, do you agree with koods?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665215 - 05/11/20 07:23 PM (2 months, 39 minutes ago)

That's what a grand jury does, yes.  They determine if probable cause exists to charge people for a crime.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665231 - 05/11/20 07:27 PM (2 months, 35 minutes ago)

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It began when Russia hacked the DNC.



Russia's been spying on the US since well before that.



So what? It’s still a crime.
Are you suggesting crimes shouldn’t be investigated?



No, I'm suggesting Russia-Gate didn't start when Russia started spying on us.




Ok. Nobody said it did. It started with a not ambiguously criminal act: the hacking of the DNC.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Enlil]
    #26665237 - 05/11/20 07:29 PM (2 months, 33 minutes ago)

Determining probable cause of a crime is a lot different than determining "if a crime occurred", as koods specifically said, especially considering the grand jury proceedings are led by a prosecutor and the defendant has no right to present.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
    #26665239 - 05/11/20 07:30 PM (2 months, 32 minutes ago)

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It started with a not ambiguously criminal act: the hacking of the DNC.



Why did the US suddenly care about being spied on more than we did before?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665255 - 05/11/20 07:34 PM (2 months, 28 minutes ago)

Well I think we have always cared about espionage, but this was a particularly egregious and targeted criminal act. I wasn’t simply spying.

Do you have a point?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665268 - 05/11/20 07:37 PM (2 months, 24 minutes ago)

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Determining probable cause of a crime is a lot different than determining "if a crime occurred", as koods specifically said, especially considering the grand jury proceedings are led by a prosecutor and the defendant has no right to present.




It’s not a trial. It’s an investigation. The defendant may not even know he’s being investigated, which is one of the reasons why grand juries are secret.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
    #26665270 - 05/11/20 07:38 PM (2 months, 24 minutes ago)

If you think hacking the DNC is more serious than spying on our nuclear technology or other Federal Government top secret programs, you've got a serious case of TDS.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
    #26665272 - 05/11/20 07:38 PM (2 months, 24 minutes ago)

As far as I know, all federal indictments must be issued by a grand jury.


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26665274 - 05/11/20 07:39 PM (2 months, 23 minutes ago)

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If you think hacking the DNC is more serious than spying on our nuclear technology or other secrets, you've got a serious case of TDS.




Do you have a point?


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Re: Adam Schiff lied the whole time - Russian Hoax Exposed [Re: koods]
    #26665279 - 05/11/20 07:41 PM (2 months, 21 minutes ago)

An Enlil noted, an indictment determines "if probable cause exists", not "if a crime occurred".


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