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MrBlueYoMind said: Dr Birx saying if someone dies from a previous health condition with covid-19 then they count it and other countries don't.
You can find 100 quotes saying the same thing you've already said and I've already agreed with you on. You don't seem to be grasping how little it actually makes a difference. Do you know the concept of statistical significance?
My wife's hospital has roughly a dozen COVID deaths per day right now. Probably around 95% of the deaths they have per week are literally hospitalized for COVID alone when they die. They are COVID deaths. Others are people coming in undiagnosed but with strokes and heart attacks, then found to have COVID in the autopsy. Statistically the most likely assumption is to assume COVID triggered the death unless the autopsy shows otherwise, on a macro level those are the odds you work with and they're astronomically high.
The conspiracy is people not understanding how epidemiology or cause of death reports work and using this to pretend people are getting hit by buses and declared COVID deaths left and right or something. That is not what's happening right now.
And let me add again even though no one seems to address it anyway: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26656003#26656003
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budmanman said: What matters is that the government is over reaching in extremely dangerous ways and that is way worse than this virus.
I'm still not convinced, though. You cited a waiting period for guns and people getting arrested for not maintaining social distancing. That's hardly what I would call an over reach. You can still buy your guns and you can still hang out with your friends. Nobody has taken that away.
It's because of this virus that many local governments let people OUT of jail for stupid shit. How is that overreaching to let people out of jail?
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budmanman said: What matters is that the government is over reaching in extremely dangerous ways and that is way worse than this virus.
I'm still not convinced, though. You cited a waiting period for guns and people getting arrested for not maintaining social distancing. That's hardly what I would call an over reach. You can still buy your guns and you can still hang out with your friends. Nobody has taken that away.
It's because of this virus that many local governments let people OUT of jail for stupid shit. How is that overreaching to let people out of jail?
being arrested for going on a joy drive without getting out of your car ever, not over reach,
Being arrested for hanging out with your friends, not over reach.
What in the communism is going on here?
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Florida man released because of corona virus back in jail for murder derp
LMAO but they're arresting people for going to the beach?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-man-released-jail-coronavirus-arrested-murder-charges/story?id=70161179
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You fucking idiots
"Joseph Edward Williams was released March 19 following the issuance of an administrative order aimed at lowering the risk of COVID-19 spread within the Hillsborough County jail, police said. Williams, 26, was being held there on $2,500 bond for felony and misdemeanor drug charges.
Seven days later, Williams allegedly shot and killed someone in Tampa, said police, who didn't disclose additional details on the victim or the crime.
Williams was arrested April 13 for second-degree murder, resisting an officer with violence, felon in possession of a firearm, possession of heroin and possession of drug paraphernalia, authorities said. A judge set bail at $250,000."
"Police said Williams has a long criminal history that includes felony burglary and drug convictions."
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and no I am not saying the legal system isn't fucked up and broken, it sure is, a lot of people are in there who shouldn't be and don't deserve to be, but a lot of people who do deserve to be are in there and being fucking let out lol .
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I am in a complete dystopian society, this has to still be a drug trip, cause no way any of this is real, when criminals are released to make room for law abiding citizens, where covid patients are released from hospitals to nursing homes to make room for the people they will infect, it can't possibly be real, and most people can't be too stupid to not see what is happening.
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If you guys are struggling to comprehend how COVID deaths are counted, don't even attempt to try to understand flu death counting:
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The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts.
https://scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
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US data on influenza deaths are false and misleading.The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges a difference between flu death and flu associated death yet uses the terms interchangeably. Additionally, there are significant statistical incompatibilities between official estimates and national vital statistics data. Compounding these problems is a marketing of fear—a CDC communications strategy in which medical experts "predict dire outcomes" during flu seasons.
https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc
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Re: Coronalierus [Re: feevers]
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We should believe that link that goes against what experts say which it even says goes against experts, but feevers knows exactly what is going on!
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The second link is literally from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. And it's common knowledge.
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Re: Coronalierus [Re: feevers]
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I commented before your edit showed up to me, but thanks for pointing out that the government admits the information we get is trash so stop believing it!
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6 months ago I worked for the government and the government was so shit I had to quit I couldn't take watching how shit the government was even took a pay cut to get the fuck out, I was on break half my shift too lol. I mean it was great if your lazy and want money and are ok with watching shitloads of money being wasted. But that wasn't for me.
But what sucks i my last job was considered essential and my current job is only essential because of governor bribery and I am probably gonna get laid of so I should of kept my shit waste of money job at the gobment.
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budmanman said: I commented before your edit showed up to me, but thanks for pointing out that the government admits the information we get is trash so stop believing it!
The flu numbers are an inflated CDC estimate based on predictions and algorithms.
The COVID numbers are a body count reported independently by states and hospitals.
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Re: Coronalierus [Re: feevers]
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The recession is prolly gunna get weed legalized
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Doubt but maybe
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budmanman said: People are being arrested for not social distancing lol, let me guess, you are ok with this?
I've never been more okay with anything in my life. Pre-corona, people would always stand creepily close to you. There's nothing worse than waiting in line to pay at Walgreens and have someone literally breathing down your neck and coughing in your face. I hope people keep their goddamn distance into the future too. People are fucking disgusting.
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budmanman said: What matters is that the government is over reaching in extremely dangerous ways and that is way worse than this virus.
I'm still not convinced, though. You cited a waiting period for guns and people getting arrested for not maintaining social distancing. That's hardly what I would call an over reach. You can still buy your guns and you can still hang out with your friends. Nobody has taken that away.
It's because of this virus that many local governments let people OUT of jail for stupid shit. How is that overreaching to let people out of jail?
being arrested for going on a joy drive without getting out of your car ever, not over reach,
Being arrested for hanging out with your friends, not over reach.
What in the communism is going on here?
A pandemic is going on this isn't tyranny it's survival
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