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Invisiblebudmanman
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Re: Coronalierus [Re: budmanman]
    #26660504 - 05/09/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Here is one fucked thing pro lock down people need to understand, healthy people under 60 who catch and recover from the virus are going to be immune for a good while.

Old people who catch and recover, may not, like we catch chicken pox and become immune, and its immune for life cause it hides deep in our nerves and any time it tries to lurk its way out our immune system beat it back, but old peoples immune systems are so weak often times their chicken pox come back, and sometimes old people die of the chicken pox they caught as a baby.

So the best thing you can do to save the old people, is achieve herd immunity it some form.


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: budmanman]
    #26660505 - 05/09/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It's also weird how these media sites are making claims that go against what the public health official has stated is protocol.  If they are counting people who are dying already and then caught covid, then how would they be missing people in nursing homes who die of covid?  That was her literal example.  I'm pretty sure every place is jumping to get on them covid dollars to, so I don't see why they wouldn't be testing these people who are dying?  Isn't it in the interest of the surviving nursing home patients to know if the person who just died had corona?  Yeah I don't see them not testing people.

Those sites are all speculation?  It "could be" "might be as much as" "twice as high!"  15,000 excess deaths!  That article states that 53,000 people have died from corona, (a number which we know to be disingenuous as per admittance by the public health official).  The article states that the 15,000 excess deaths are not all attributable to corona, but the title is that it might be twice as high!  That would require 53,000 excess deaths correct?


Here's some happy news:
https://6abc.com/health/newborn-who-tested-positive-for-covid-19-makes-full-recovery-/6160627/


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #26660511 - 05/09/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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None of that negates the fact that the recorded numbers are disingenuous.




No, they prove the fact that the numbers are disingenuous in both directions.

Acting like the miniscule amount of cases where someone was already going to die in the small time period where they had COVID, and COVID played no role in their death, makes any real difference is disingenuous.

On the micro level there's number fudging in both directions, it's impossible to be 100% accurate. On the macro level it's pretty simple to just compare historical all-cause mortality to the estimated COVID deaths and see there is under-reporting going on.

People keep using quotes like yours to push a narrative that there is underreporting going on. So what the quote said has truth to to it, asking if it's helpful... not really.


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: budmanman]
    #26660512 - 05/09/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Testing is just 1 tool in the kit of medical professional to diagnose a patient.  :rolleyes: 

Covid can be diagnosed with a degree of accuracy without the kind of “test” you guys keep referring to.

Facebook memes and the like, generally are not always a good way to inform yourself.  And if you do, your just like the plebs you look down on.


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26660518 - 05/09/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

When those numbers are used to justify injecting people with a vaccine against their will, maybe then it will matter that they are counting people who died of blatant causes other than covid as a covid death.


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26660521 - 05/09/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This isn't a facebook meme, it's a press briefing by public officials.



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Re: Coronalierus [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26660524 - 05/09/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

May as well worry about everything else that utterly useless to worry about if you are going to go down that route.

You may need a Xanax, or you may need to come off the Xanax...not sure....


Btw. You understand you have to understand any one single persons voice while considering all the others right?

One official saying something not in line, or different, from others isn’t neccesarily an indication of a grand conspiracy or hoax.


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26660525 - 05/09/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Testing is just 1 tool in the kit of medical professional to diagnose a patient.  :rolleyes: 

Covid can be diagnosed with a degree of accuracy without the kind of “test” you guys keep referring to.

Facebook memes and the like, generally are not always a good way to inform yourself.  And if you do, your just like the plebs you look down on.




The CDC diagnosed everyone there over the phone when they reported their first confirmed case lol


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: budmanman]
    #26660526 - 05/09/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That can be done you know.  Less degree of confidence in the diagnosis for sure, but it’s not a grift you oaf.

When something doesn’t fit your world view, you guys just lose it... I swear.  Confirmation bias anyone?


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26660529 - 05/09/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Confrimation bias? Lol this is my real life experience, they assume everyone there will catch it so just automatically diagnosed everyone.

The place still had to do their own medical crap, they still had to test people who started catching it and make choices for them and call ambulances.

But the CDC just automatically without any confirmation added everyone to their tally.


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: budmanman]
    #26660533 - 05/09/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh and once everyone who caught it and everyone recovered, thats when the CDC actually showed up to test people to actually make sure the facility was covid free. Which it did wind up being 100% covid free, and recently they just allowed visitations again, but I think the visits have to be outside the facility for now.


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26660536 - 05/09/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Public health veterans and those who study how information is disseminated said shifting predictions are common in emergency situations, which only fuels conspiracy theories.

“Finding anomalous data during extraordinary circumstances is not unsuspected,” said Dr. Jane Donovan, research director of Harvard University’s Shorenstein Institute, who studies misinformation. “It's just that right now we have a set of armchair epidemiologists who are looking for discrepancies everywhere and turning them into conspiracies.”

Lobelo said counting the presumptive deaths was scientifically accurate, saying that flu-related deaths were counted the same way, even if the primary cause was different.

“The cause of death could be a heart attack, or cardiac arrest,” he said. “But if you're able to identify Covid-19 in a patient that had heart disease, and that actually died because of a heart attack, you really do know that Covid-19 is the actual cause of death. Otherwise that patient would have not died, despite having that risk factor.”





https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/07/trump-death-toll-coronavirus-241819

Yes, there will be a few that slip through the cracks, those miniscule numbers change nothing on the macro level unless we start infecting hoards of cruise ships with thousands of people on them then sinking them and declaring them all COVID deaths or something equally as unlikely and absurd.

And there is no incentive on hospitals to misreport COVID deaths. Every hospital in the country wants death counts as small as possible so that they can reopen as quickly as possible and get back to treatments that actually make them money and keep them in business, not medicare COVID rates and a 5k check from the feds that they might get anyway just for a positive test result.


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26660539 - 05/09/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Dr Birx saying if someone dies from a previous health condition with covid-19 then they count it and other countries don't.



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Re: Coronalierus [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26660540 - 05/09/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Your life experience is limited compared millions and billions of people, andto the whole picture.  I’m not disputing that numbers are screwy or that the governments response to the pandemic isn’t insane on some levels, or that the virus is not deadly for a large portion of the population. Neither am I disputing that there are a lot of people over reacting.  Just pointing at that while that can be one facet of the truth, there’s all the other damn facets, which when ignored in favor of a 1 dimensional view on things contributes to the confusion and chaos, in fact , it works against the very people who promulgate such a view.  So I’m not denying your experience - just your filtering and interpretation of the situation at large.


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26660543 - 05/09/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And I am just saying that if they're doing that there, god knows what they're doing elsewhere!

You are the one who is 1 dimensional.


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26660545 - 05/09/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This isn't a facebook meme, it's a press briefing by public officials.






For all those shouting conspiracy theory.  Jump to 15 minutes in this above video.  Illinois press briefing.

She says, technically, even if you die of a clear alternate cause but are found to have COVID at the same time, it is listed as a COVID death.


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: budmanman]
    #26660547 - 05/09/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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And I am just saying that if they're doing that there, god knows what they're doing elsewhere!

You are the one who is 1 dimensional.




1) yeah, okay.  but that doesn’t take away from the reality of the situation, just makes it more complex.

2). Ouch man...right in the feelz. :sad:


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26660558 - 05/09/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That's why people think something is up.  They're not allowing normal procedures saying they don't want the hospitals to get overwhelmed, and there's these blow-up tents with no one there.

One of the posters above is agreeing that it's better for his nephew to get brain damage and have seizures than to have surgery because he might die of a disease he doesn't even have(even though newborns are recovering) but might catch by being in a place that has the some of the highest sanitary standards. 

There was places you can't buy seeds?  Seriously?  The response is "I have my seeds fuck everybody else"???


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26660559 - 05/09/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The situation is complex, but its also fucked. The virus sucks, people will die, I had it, I can't smell rubbing alcohol anymore oh well maybe one day that will come back, but I can smell MPK just fine so who knows if the virus did that or not and who cares.

What matters is that the government is over reaching in extremely dangerous ways and that is way worse than this virus.

If the virus was actually worse than its turning out to be then fine you know sometimes you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette but shits gone too far.

Thankfully things are starting to go reverse but a lot of people don't want that to happen, I would say at this point the majority and that means that shits going to get really fucked in a lot of different ways that dwarf the consequences of a common cold style virus that is only dangerous because its Novel and once its no longer Novel will fade into our memories and become just another common cold, kinda like h1n1 spanish flu is now 10x less deadly than a regular seasonal flu when we have a h1n1 outbreak, and the deadly h3n2 flu outbreak in the 60s is now one of the most common flus there is and is barely as deadly as it was then.

If we had airborn ebola fine police should beat social distancers in the streets or shoot them from a distance like they're doing in the philippines.

But that is not the level of disease we are dealing with.

We reacted like a 6-13% fatality rate and now its nowhere even close to that,

but people still want to react like its that deadly and thats the fucking problem.

Now the governments using it as a mkultra 2.0 experiment and people are ok with that.

Life tip MK ultra never stopped and Bill Clinton apology for it in the 90's was 2 faced.

Like his BJ from MK Lewinsky.


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Edited by budmanman (05/09/20 06:08 PM)


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Re: Coronalierus [Re: budmanman]
    #26660565 - 05/09/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ok not much to dispute with that.  :nodofunderstanding:


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