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Flip my subs * 1
    #26660401 - 05/09/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So hypothetically, if the top of your sub won’t finish but you know the entire rest of your sub is colonized, could you not flip the sub over and attempt to fruit the bottom? I have patchy spots that aren’t finishing on my subs and I had hopes if I flipped them and took off the liner that I might still be able to salvage them and maybe the tops will finish if they’re put to the bottom? Possible? Either way I’m gonna fruit these now but wanted to see if anyone has tried this yet?


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #26660407 - 05/09/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What does the top look like? Sometimes you don’t get really thick myc all over the top. I’ve had some fruit great that were just a thin wisp of myc throughout the top part but looked nice and solid on the sides and bottom


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26662060 - 05/10/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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What does the top look like? Sometimes you don’t get really thick myc all over the top. I’ve had some fruit great that were just a thin wisp of myc throughout the top part but looked nice and solid on the sides and bottom




This was a couple days ago. I have a second bin I’m going to move the few finished ones over to so they can start fruiting. The ones with the few dark spots are still like that. Still don’t smell anything that would make me believe it’s a bacterial issue. Right now the inside of the bin is at 75% humidity and about 21-22C. The bins holes still have duct tape on them, which I’m worried might be choking them a bit but I have opened the lid a crack each day this last week. Should I tight polyfil the holes to give some GE?



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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #26668580 - 05/13/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I want to bump this to get some opinions if possible. 4 of the 10 shoeboxes are currently fruiting, but the other ones don't seem to be done enough to pop. I want to know if I turn them over out of their boxes and remove the liner if I can get them to fruit from the bottom?



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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #26668591 - 05/13/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



I can tell you how it goes in about another week or so


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: PinkStormtrooper]
    #26668649 - 05/13/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I can tell you how it goes in about another week or so




What is the ratio on that?

Did you flip it and then put it back into colonization conditions or right into fruiting?

Would really love to see how this goes, cause I can tell the rest of the cake is fine, but just the top I think was too dense and it couldn't fight through it.

I'm almost wondering if I took them and dunked them to wash off the excess sub and then put them back into colonization for a bit if they would finish whatever is left over and then fruit.

I just figure it's a shame to eliminate them from the running, if there's still no sign of bacteria and the rest of the cake is healthy.

I have a separate shotgun I can put them in, to try get them to colonize again, but I've never had this issue before so I haven't done much messing with them like that in the past.

Looking forward to seeing if this works, cause it could change the game for those of us who occasionally run into this issue, man :bigblunt:


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #26668658 - 05/13/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

2.5qt spawn : 1 650g brick ecoearth.

it made a great flush of bigguns all the way around all edges. 0 on top. AA+

other tray tubbed at exactly the same time with same size tub same lump of coir same prep but nepale went as expected just fine throughout

no idea why.. I figure somethings in there it doesnt like.

I used a cutting board to support it and did a tub-flip. trimmed it up. put it back in tub bottom side facing up. spritzed it well. let it sit 12h closed up then have started fanning/misting/opening the tub as of right now


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit] * 1
    #26668659 - 05/13/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Should these other subs choose not to do anything in the next few days, I'm going to try an experiment to see if this will work and at least then we'll have a solid idea as to YES or NO.

I'll take them out, soak half of them to knock off the excess and try recolonize them, by running a liner on what would then be the bottom(previously the top) and putting them back into seeding for a week and then pop them into fruiting.

The half I don't dunk, I'll just flip into new containers with liners and put them right into fruiting.

Then we can get a sense of whether or not unfinished sub can be finished, and or removed and finished and whether or not the bottom of a cake can be made to build a proper pin set.

I don't know why you couldn't, since BRF cakes are all fruited from the "bottom".

I wonder if it would benefit from casing the bottoms in verm to get them to pin properly like you would a BRF cake.

Any more opinions on how this might work best would be seriously appreciated :grin:


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: PinkStormtrooper]
    #26668668 - 05/13/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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2.5qt spawn : 1 650g brick ecoearth.

it made a great flush of bigguns all the way around all edges. 0 on top. AA+

other tray tubbed at exactly the same time with same size tub same lump of coir same prep but nepale went as expected just fine throughout

no idea why.. I figure somethings in there it doesnt like.





I get that. I really do like liners, especially clear ones, so you can see how your cake is doing throughout the process, but I didn't get a chance to grab clear before doing these up.

The 4 good ones are already putting off major pins and a couple or the other ones are growing some good rhyzo and initial heads, but at least 4 of them aren't doing fuck all, because there are still good areas that aren't colonized at all and then 2 of them are done except for a very thin layer of sub still on top.

I'm not disappointed at all at the turn out this time, definitely made some rookie mistakes, but I figure there's no sense in not playing with them a bit before I say fuck it and chuck them out :lol:


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #26668768 - 05/13/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There's some textures going on,lots of puff, makes me concerned. They look really wet as well. How long?

Those will most likely fall a part when you flip, not enough myc to hold it together, and with water weight, could be a disater.


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: Tstone]
    #26668941 - 05/13/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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There's some textures going on,lots of puff, makes me concerned. They look really wet as well. How long?

Those will most likely fall a part when you flip, not enough myc to hold it together, and with water weight, could be a disater.




Only moisture in there is beading on the surface and any puff in there has now developed rhyzos and started to form pins. But if you look up close, there are no signs of cob or trich at all.

The unfinished sub parts may be a little wet though.

Should I take them out and let them dry up a bit first to see if they'll keep going?

The solid ones just have a nice layer of droplets on it and I've been airing it out regularly to let them evaporate, but I can understand where you're coming from regarding the unfinished ones...


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #26668952 - 05/13/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

All of them are a 1:1 ratio, so there should be plenty of myc below the surface to hold them together.

It's been 3 weeks since spawn, but as can be seen from the 4 finished ones, they are fruiting fine.

I think during colonization that perhaps the unfinished got too wet or didn't have enough GE and might have choked them up a bit, but after moving them out and introducing more GE they came back a fair bit.



This is the four finished ones that are pinning nicely, with a couple big ones on there.

These are four of the unfinished ones, as you can see it broke through, but I think it was too dense in some spots to get past it.



I let the top bead up and then I open it up and allow it to air out and evap all of the moisture, before closing it up and turning the ultrasonic back on.

But yes, as this point I don't think any of that is benefiting the unfinished ones and I simply don't know what to do with them otherwise.


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #26668984 - 05/13/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I currently have a bunch of 6L bins that would easily fit two of these 2L inside them.

Hypothetically, could I break these down into the larger bins and add some fresh sub over them that is lighter with some gypsum mixed in and see if I can get them to re-establish into three larger subs?


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #26673161 - 05/15/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

so far imma fan of the flip the sub TEK somethings going on down there in smurfland



and it was so totally flat you can see stuff popping up easy


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: PinkStormtrooper]
    #26673561 - 05/15/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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so far imma fan of the flip the sub TEK somethings going on down there in smurfland



and it was so totally flat you can see stuff popping up easy





Dude, that's wicked! Is it open-air right now, or do you have it in a tub of some kind?

I think I'm gonna pull at least the two of these that aren't currently popping off and do that exact thing.

Probably line them up, upsidedown in one of the 6L shoeboxes I have and see what happens.

Couldn't hurt I figure, seeing what you've got going on.

I didn't ask. Was that cake totally done on top?


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #26673601 - 05/15/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



Here are the four that turned out “properly”.

Another 4 of them have a few legit sized fruits on them and then there are two that aren’t doing fuck all.

I’d take the two that aren’t doing shit and flip them and the other 4 that have a few on them I’d flip after they’re done popping, let them reestablish and try fruit them.




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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #26673614 - 05/15/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I put it right back in the tub it was in after i flipped it. its in an unbodified tub. then i just started misting it fanning it all the time.

I ate 1.5g of these tonight about 2 hrs ago and it is taking most of my concentration to reply to you. these are AA+. the 1st flush only produced all around the sides nothing grew on the whole top area at all. so thats why i wanted to flip it.


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: PinkStormtrooper] * 1
    #26673647 - 05/15/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I appreciate you getting back to me despite your current state of woke-ness :lol:

That's good to know and makes me think we are on to something worth exploring, because there are so many out there who think their cake is done for, but I think so long as it still appears clean and just stalled out, that it doesn't necessarily mean it needs to be chucked.

I figure it may be best to keep it separate from your regular grow area, just in case it goes south like a trichy dyke, but worth seeing what happens for sure.

Braz/Taz grow journal from a pro newb: The 8 year wait [Pics of the whole journey]

This is the link to my journal so far since returning to mycology after taking 8 years off, if you have any interest, man :bigblunt:


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Re: Flip my subs [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #26677300 - 05/17/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)







So, surprisingly it looks like the ones I thought were fucked may still give me something at least. The one has a crazy mass of pins on it that shocked me. But I’m still stoked to see what comes of all of these in the end. I’ll just be happy to get anything and move on to round 2.





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Re: Flip my subs [Re: PinkStormtrooper] * 1
    #26683624 - 05/20/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I put it right back in the tub it was in after i flipped it. its in an unbodified tub. then i just started misting it fanning it all the time.

I ate 1.5g of these tonight about 2 hrs ago and it is taking most of my concentration to reply to you. these are AA+. the 1st flush only produced all around the sides nothing grew on the whole top area at all. so thats why i wanted to flip it.





How's the cake turning out man?


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