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AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times...
#26660206 - 05/09/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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NNOB here...
I am posting this picture to help figure out where the hell I am at and what is going on. I have just created this account and have been reading here for about 5 weeks now. So far I am still confused as to whether this is a bad or good scenario.
Here's what I think: My substrate was not fully colonized before I fruited. My tub was too hot at one time. My tub was too wet at one time from too much humidity and not enough FAE. Less is more in this arena. No pinning yet.
I have finally taken down all the automation techniques and I am just gauging the humidity and saturation with the naked eye. Adding moisture and the fan as necessary throughout the day. I am noticing that the substrate seems to be thickening up and might pin in the next few days if I keep this up.
Need any and all advice here.
THank you for your time.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: alwayshungry]
#26660210 - 05/09/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looks very weird, I wouldn't hope to get any results from that.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: poisoned]
#26660229 - 05/09/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It’s hard to say exactly what’s going on. It could be a mixture of things. Bacterial sub, too dry or hot or maybe too wet. It just doesn’t look happy lol. But that happens often I’ve noticed with attempts at automation.
All you can do is let it ride and see what happens, making sure there’s plenty of fresh air. Mist only when it’s needed but it may be hard to tell with that
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26661823 - 05/10/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks. It is weird for sure.
They say the amber pools were fighting something typically and that isn't bad. Some have had flushes from them as well. So I am just going to press on without the automation.
Going to research this more before trying again. It is creating extra anxiety. And definitely scaling it down.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: alwayshungry]
#26661842 - 05/10/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here is all the info you need to get started for real for real
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24144021
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Roger Clemency] 3
#26662000 - 05/10/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Duuuuude.....
Looks like shag carpet that was under a mobile home toilet for 20 years.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Smartattack]
#26662064 - 05/10/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It could be from fighting something, but could also just be 'piss', subs tend to piss and when they're solidly colonized it'll pool on top. I'd take a paper towel and soak it all up, take 2 paper towels and fold them over, then drop it on top of the wet areas and gently pat with your finger tips. After you do that, soak up any moisture on the sides of your tub. That basically 'resets' the moisture. Close the bin and let it sit for 6-8 hours. If you come back to it and see moisture on the sides and top of the bin, your sub has enough moisture to regulate itself, leave it be, do FAE like normal. If not, mist the sides and top of the bin, and lightly mist the substrate. Do FAE like normal, 3x a day. Keep an eye on the moisture content on the top and on the sides of the bin. If droplets are combining and moving down the sides, your sub is giving off a lot of moisture and you shouldn't be misting. Keep an eye on the top and if you see more pooling soak it up with a paper towel, just put an edge of the towel in and let it soak itself up, try not to touch the sub much.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Justweed]
#26662219 - 05/10/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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No sub produces as many metabolites just because it exists.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: poisoned]
#26662494 - 05/10/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am misting and fanning now when necessary and making sure there is no real saturation going on. Seems that there was plenty of moisture in the substrate and after yesterday's post it is starting to show pinning. Pretty sure it was too wet for a while and not fully colonized. So it was trying to do too many things at once. I think I will produce some but not many.
Yeah it does look like some funky shag carpet for sure. It smells like cubes I have purchased in the past and no funky or deathly smell at this point. Also no green or weird colors. I will add the pinning photos shortly.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: poisoned] 1
#26662495 - 05/10/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nooo. Got’damnit Bobby I said no vidya games. And no ‘piss’ either. Subs produce metabolites sometimes but they have never urinated. The term myc piss just seems so unmushroom for some reason and I get all miffed and high horsey when I see it. Don’t torture me bro
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26662600 - 05/10/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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poisoned said: No sub produces as many metabolites just because it exists.
Yea this is very excessive.
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Roger Clemency said: Nooo. Got’damnit Bobby I said no vidya games. And no ‘piss’ either. Subs produce metabolites sometimes but they have never urinated. The term myc piss just seems so unmushroom for some reason and I get all miffed and high horsey when I see it. Don’t torture me bro
I mena, have we tested to see if it has urea in it yet? I think we just like to refer to it as piss because...it looks like PISS! I wouldn't drink it either way...
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Justweed]
#26662671 - 05/10/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That surface definitely got beat up. Looks like it was bouncing between being soaked and dried out.
I had something similar my first grow and the myc dried up and then new myc sprouted from it after a few days and tons of pins showed up.
I think a lot of people overestimate the amount of water needed when they start out. I did for sure.
You’re much better off just leaving them alone sitting in a simple tub but that’s something you need to learn by doing too much first.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: A.k.a]
#26662705 - 05/10/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
A.k.a said: That surface definitely got beat up. Looks like it was bouncing between being soaked and dried out.
I had something similar my first grow and the myc dried up and then new myc sprouted from it after a few days and tons of pins showed up.
I think a lot of people overestimate the amount of water needed when they start out. I did for sure.
You’re much better off just leaving them alone sitting in a simple tub but that’s something you need to learn by doing too much first.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Smartattack]
#26664155 - 05/11/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am quickly learning I am overthinking these beautiful creatures. Today have 20+ pins...
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: alwayshungry]
#26664166 - 05/11/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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alwayshungry said: I am quickly learning I am overthinking these beautiful creatures. Today have 20+ pins...
Let's see em! Did you soak up any of the excess moisture on the sub?
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Justweed]
#26666283 - 05/12/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here are the pins that have been forming since I took everything back to basic. Seems like this will finish off ok. I have no way of judging that as this is my first attempt.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: alwayshungry]
#26666346 - 05/12/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cool. You're gunna get something at least! A lesson in growing and some shrooms to boot
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Smartattack]
#26666442 - 05/12/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes and that is the best kind of lessons. One of the starts has a nice blue/purple ring and looks dank! I am noticing one side pin between the tub wall and what now seems like a giant myco cake.
So now I just wait another week and harvest as they seem to mature? At what phase should I "twist and pull"?
After this "flush" what should I do next?
I wonder if there is new healthier myco forming now that conditions are more favorable. Seems like new "white" growth is forming.
This is fun. Thanks for all help.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: alwayshungry]
#26667866 - 05/13/20 02:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's fucking awesome. I didn't believe in that sub.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: poisoned]
#26668800 - 05/13/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That sub looks like it's put out 4 flushes, thing looks crazy lol. Glad you're getting something from it!
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#26668844 - 05/13/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Justweed said: That sub looks like it got flushed 4 times, thing looks crazy lol. Glad you're getting something from it!
Fixed.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Smartattack]
#26670938 - 05/14/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I see what you did there!
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Justweed] 1
#26672213 - 05/15/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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They have shot up in the last 24 hours...check these out.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: alwayshungry]
#26672218 - 05/15/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sweet.
Jack that humidity up already!
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: A.k.a]
#26685775 - 05/21/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jacked the humidity up and turned the flush into 215 grams of fresh. Dried down to 28g. I cannot be more pleased at the moment.
Re-hydrated the slab and we are showing nice white myco growth showing through and one nice pin is showing. It has maybe been 4 days since the H2o was added and drained.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: alwayshungry]
#26685809 - 05/21/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Way to polish a turd right there.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Smartattack]
#26685886 - 05/21/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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No pictures of right before harvest?!?
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: A.k.a] 1
#26686226 - 05/21/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know right? I’m invested here!
Seriously though I’m glad it worked out.
I’m real curious how you dried these and if they are definitely cracker dry. They say mushrooms, or cubes at least, are 90% aqua. So 215g should dry down to 21.5 in a perfect scenario. Normally though I’d expect more like 18g dry. It seems like most are only around 8% solid material.
28g would mean they were only like 87% water. So I’m wondering if maybe the roughed up sub put out some denser fruits or something. Or it’s just a good set of genes, or there is still a little water to be found. Definitely check em cuz you don’t want them getting soft in a couple days and you don’t notice and then they start losing potency.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26686331 - 05/21/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Almost always 90% loss for me.
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#26686575 - 05/21/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shit I’m stoked if it’s 90.
I usually assume 8% and if it’s better that’s just a bonus.
I’ve had some monsters lately that were 95% or more lately. I think cuz the heat. I just picked the fattest hollowest gt I’ve ever seen today.
22.7 wet I’m guessing 1.6 dry.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: A.k.a]
#26690002 - 05/23/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So, you are a little correct on my experience. I had left them out to air dry and hoped that would be some better "cure". It did not dry fast enough and seemed to start to re-hydrate from the air, trying to survive? So I through them in the oven @180 and had the door open and tried to dry them out that way and it seemed to work. When it was wet I ate .6 of a gram and I felt a little of the body and a little of the upper happiness spectrum with kinda "upper-like" energy. Today, 4 days later, I am going to eat 1.19 dry weight and see what happens.
Second flush is coming along and might be bigger than the last. You guys have these amazing full flush photos. I have not achieved this level of experience. Hopefully the next tub will. I think this one is fighting hard and strong genetics are keeping it in the game. Time will tell.
I really appreciate all the support. New photos will come as progress is made.
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: alwayshungry]
#26690209 - 05/23/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You should definitely get a dehydrator if you plan on growing more but a fan can work OK until then. Preferable with the mushrooms in a laundry bag or a bag made from screen material so they air can pass through.
The oven works as you found out but can be tricky. Since yours were already somewhat dried it seems like before they went in you got away with oven and no fan. The first time I tried the oven they turned all black and gooey cuz I didn’t have enough air blowing into the oven and the heat was pulling moisture out of the mushrooms faster than it could evaporate. So if you do go the oven method again and you’re using fresh mush I’d definitely have a fan going on them.
Once they’re dry you want to store them in an airtight container with some kind of desiccant, if you just have them in a bag or something they will slowly absorb moisture from the air
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Re: AMber Pools and looooong fruiting times... [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26692207 - 05/24/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So, ordering a dehydrator today. I am sure there is a deal on them somewhere in the world.
Today's morning checkup on them seems to continue what I had going on...some big ones coming up and not fully covered like you guys have in your photos. Here are the photos from today. Again, thanks for all the assistance here.
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