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Question about shrooms pins
    #26660044 - 05/09/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

OK so, let’s say one is preparing to take a dose of fresh shrooms. But mixed in with “almost enough” whole shrooms, there’s a whole bunch of little micro pins that dropped off the cakes over the period of a week or so, and were collected, and added to the batch. Are these little micro pins that never fully developed, or even close to fully developed, more powerful to the point where I might have to worry about taking too much unintentionally? I guess what I’m asking, is our little micro pins but never developed, more powerful, gram for gram then the full size harvested shrooms?


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26660059 - 05/09/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Are they almost entirely covered in that oxidized blue bruising color?  I’ve found Ape pins (non ms) to be incredibly potent, but my sample size with them in terms of number of trips I’ve had where they composed at least a 1-2 grams of the weight of 3-5 grams total dried dose is just 2 separate  occasions.

Very potent. 


I’ve also used a gram of aborted pins from a multispore s. Grow that weren’t very bruised, and it was more or less what I’d expect; however, that was on a single occasion, can’t remember if it was stonier or weaker than eating a gram of regular mush.


Are you not able to use all fairly mature fruits? That might take away some of the extra guess work.

I would wait for others to chime in.  I’m also curious as to everyone else’s experience.  And if there is a consensus.


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26660781 - 05/09/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Are they almost entirely covered in that oxidized blue bruising color?




Not at all. These were just pins from a flush that ended up dropping those pins before they started to really develop, from a flush that was sort of not entirely complete. Also, bear in mind that this is fresh, and we're talking about about 8 tiny, little micro-pins,only that total about 3 grams. If these were part of my dried stash, they would be 0.3 grams, to put things into perspective.

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I’ve found Ape pins (non ms) to be incredibly potent, but my sample size with them in terms of number of trips I’ve had where they composed at least a 1-2 grams of the weight of 3-5 grams total dried dose is just 2 separate  occasions.




Like I said, these are fresh. Since I had a small flush, and a few cakes, as I said, dropped some loose pins, all totaling 3 grams or wet, I was just thinking of adding it to the rest of the harvest from one cake. Basically, we're talking about 27-30 grams of medium, normal size fresh shrooms, combined with about 3 grams of "the shake" I guess you can call it? Totaling about 3.3 grams.

That's a bit of a heavy dose for me, to be honest. And I'm fine with the experimenting; however, I just don't want to go in believing that I'm going up from my last dose of about 2.9 grams dried) by about 5 grams fresh (0.5 equivalent grams dried) and then get fucking hammered because I later find out, the hard way, that the 3 grams of "shake" are ten times the actives as the regular, full grown shrooms. lol

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I’ve also used a gram of aborted pins from a multispore s. Grow that weren’t very bruised, and it was more or less what I’d expect; however, that was on a single occasion, can’t remember if it was stonier or weaker than eating a gram of regular mush.




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Are you not able to use all fairly mature fruits? That might take away some of the extra guess work.




Well, I am currently between flushes, and while I have a bunch of dried, as well as dried, powdered and encapsulated, I figured I would just eat fresh tomorrow that I picked last Monday, and not tap the dry supply, since I just harvested the fruit of one cake, and its about one full trip, plus an extra 13'ish grams.

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I would wait for others to chime in. 
I’m also curious as to everyone else’s experience.  And if there is a consensus.




Same here. I am very curious. I have no intention of wasting those pins, but I just want to know how strong they are likely to be, when stacked against an euqal weight of full grown fresh shrooms.


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26660845 - 05/09/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I see.  If that’s the case definitely wait for more voices to join the chorus.  I’m not confident enough in my read on their potency with just 3 occasions of usage under my belt with them, and while mixed with mature fruit. Don’t want to give ya a thumbs up on a potential crap shoot.
Better safe than sorry ya know?

  Also because the more I’m thinking about it the more I’m remembering the time I did a micro-dose to test potency of a flush with a tiny bit of them and it flung me into a full on trip (not epic or anything but still) -I had classes all day.  Had to email my profs that I was “un well”.
Lmao.  However that was from a MS syringe grow, and I did not pulverize and homogenous the flush, so I kinda defeated the purpose of a test dose Bc doing it that way one can’t discern if it’s just that single fruit that was strong or weak or if it’s the flush as a whole.

So...tldr- patience. :mushroom2:


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26661461 - 05/10/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Be very careful, LSA. Seriously, dude, I have been caught out by the little aborts and pins. And not just those either, also by the (I call them the) small and spindly mushrooms. I’m at the end of an old stash and all that remains are the small ones that got harvested before their veils broke.

Seriously unpredictable and seriously seriously intense. 3.5g of small mushrooms, not aborts, resulted in my first bad trip in 30 years two weeks ago! Survival mode for over 6 hours dude, felt like I’d been directly injected with psilocybin, it was so intense.


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: DJ Ed] * 3
    #26661607 - 05/10/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Potency vs weight is the most even right at the point of the veil tearing.  Larger than that and there’s more weight vs potency and smaller there’s more potency vs weight.


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: Amanita86]
    #26661634 - 05/10/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

All right, thanks guys!

On a side tangent, I love to cook and I have a recipe for Jamaican Jerk chicken I want to make today, because all the prep work, such as the super-hot jerk sauce, marinade, and browning the 5-6 pounds of chicken I can do before even taking the mushrooms in an hour or two. I usually would cook something like this on my charcoal grill or even a huge cast iron pan, but this recipe is perfect for tripping, because after about an hour of prep, marinading, browning the chicken, and yada, yada, yada, they will cook in my big crock pot for 8 hours, with literally zero maintenance. That's why I decided to try this recipe. Probably won't be a bad thing having my whole house smell like Jamaican Jerk Chicken while I embark on this journey. I can literally dose just as I'm turning on the slow-cooker.

So here's the plan, then. I will eat the larger pieces, only the full caps and stems, no shake. I will save the midget,  Barbie-Dream Shrooms for drying and add them to one of the mason jars of dried I already have when I get another harvest ready for picking. I want to stick to between 30 and 35 grams max of fresh, and I really don't want to get slammed by the mycelium goddesses for eating uber-potent Barbie Dream Shrooms on top of about 30 grams of regular sized ones. Just a reminder, though, if it makes a difference, we're only talking about a total of 3 grams of these little micro-shrooms, which if dried, presumably would be about 0.3 grams. Should I stick them in the freezer, maybe in a mason jar, since I'm not sure when my next flush is? By the way, I am like very new at this. Can someone explain to me what the "veil" is and what it means when it breaks? lol Stupid question, I'm sure. I want to say its that part under the cap that looks like accordion-folded paper or something, but I'm not sure.

Edit: You know what? I may just add a couple of those Barbie-Dream shrooms to the mix, but later on in the trip. Just sort of maybe 1/3 of that 3 grams of fresh shake to see if it acts like some sort of a chaser. Maybe just eating one gram of fresh micro-pins, not the full 3 grams. I will leave my computer on in case I need some Covid-lockdown-trip sitters in the forum, and want to induct some of you guys into service. :mushroom2:

Although, another side note, I am about to do a complete safety check on my carbon Fiber racing/road bicycle, because I looooove riding round while tripping. Zooooooooooom


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26661693 - 05/10/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Note I am really over simplifying this, but for arguments sake, there are basically two stages to fruiting; growth with psychoactive production, followed by further growth with spore production. You will note that when the fruits are young and small, the head is like a sealed ball or globe. The veil is the membrane that connects the cap to the stem. As the cap enlarges, its diameter increases and it tends to flatten out. As this happens, the veil will stretch and holes will start to appear, between its edges and the stem. Then at some point this veil breaks off completely and droops down the stem, and the cap fully opens. This is when spores start to drop. It is also the point when maximum psychoactives per mass of mushroom is reached. The mushroom will at this point slow down or even stop psychoactive production, and turn this energy over to spore production.

Hope that all makes sense dude, if not others will correct me, or add.

Good luck later on with the recipe and the journey :thumbup:


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26662046 - 05/10/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

U got the basics of it. After a shroom drops its spores, im pretty sure the potency drops too as the fruit expands further.

To put it simply, pins could be more potent by weight (especially fresh) than regular fruits. Id say about 1.5 times more potent. Adjust disage accordingly.


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26662089 - 05/10/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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U got the basics of it. After a shroom drops its spores, im pretty sure the potency drops too as the fruit expands further.

To put it simply, pins could be more potent by weight (especially fresh) than regular fruits. Id say about 1.5 times more potent. Adjust disage accordingly.




Definitely, LC. When you say potency drops as the fruit expands further, correct me if I’m wrong, but you are referring to the relative potency of the mushroom dropping? The “absolute” potency stays the same? By relative, I mean as the mushroom grows when producing spores, it isn’t producing psychoactives, so as volume increases, relative potency decreases. So as the veils break, we have a certain amount of psychoactives, the absolute potency. Are you saying this degrades and or reduces, as growth continues, due to say oxidation? (Meaning also that relative potency would reduce further)

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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26662091 - 05/10/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, correct. The overall potency in the shroom is the same (i would think) but it spreads over more mushroom material so the potency by weight is somewhat less (as their is more shroom material but not more active psilocybin/psilocin).

Havent done anything scientific but that seems to be the trend.

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    #26662096 - 05/10/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, agreed dude :cheers:


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26662126 - 05/10/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Be very careful, LSA. Seriously, dude, I have been caught out by the little aborts and pins.




I remember a trip of mine -- it was probably literally like 10 years or more ago, where I took a handful of pins and ate them. I honestly wondered if I'd even trip.

It floored me. Like KO'd me Mike Tyson style. It was so intense that I literally had to lay down. I never ever ever want to abort a trip but this one blasted me so unexpectedly, and I wasn't ready mentally at all, that at the time I was almost wishing I could abort it.


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26662142 - 05/10/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ha, thats crazy. Almost makes ya wanna harvest just pins!


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    #26662158 - 05/10/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Ha, thats crazy. Almost makes ya wanna harvest just pins!




Yeah it completely shattered me that day.

I was still kind of a rookie so to speak at the time. I mean I had tripped quite a bit before then, but I was somewhat early into my growing days and although I think I had heard that pins could possibly be more potent -- I don't know if I truly believed it yet. I didn't even have a scale yet. So when I looked at this small handful of aborts & pins in my hand, I really questioned if it would even do anything. I was just hoping to get a decent trip out of them...instead it hit me like a sledgehammer to the head, lol.


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    #26662165 - 05/10/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

haha, thats funny. Thats exactly what happened when I drank PF Tek Cake Extraction. I thought, "This will probably be a light trip" then just being blown away by the potency, intensity and strange feeling of tripping on a new substance I was like "Whoa, OK, this really works well. Whooops!". It was an intense trip with the weirdest comedown! After I peaked, I had a short plateau of about an hour then it took me about 30 minutes to come down very fast to almost sober. One of the most interesting trips Ive ever had.


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    #26662240 - 05/10/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the information, guys! I enjoyed reading it, as well as Niffla's cautionary tale. I decided not to go on my planned excursion today. Not sure why, but all I can say is that the vibe didn't feel right. Don't get me wrong, I waited the required 7 days, my last daytrip being last Sunday. But sometimes you have to toss plans out the proverbial window when the universe, goddess, perhaps the colorful spirit of Silly-Psibin tells you to. Maybe tomorrow the gods of colors, lights, and special effects shall call my name.

Oh, question: The fresh/wet in my fridge will be one week old tomorrow. I am fairly sure that a little over a week for fresh is still all right? I have read people saying that even 3 weeks is all right, but not much after that. We're only talking about 35ish ounces in total of fresh left. Everything else is cracker-dry.


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haha, thats funny. Thats exactly what happened when I drank PF Tek Cake Extraction.




Wow, is this actually a thing? I assume that this is a way to get some last dosing out of a spent cake about to be tossed?


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Re: Question about shrooms pins [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26662265 - 05/10/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Its a real thing. If youre interested, try it out sometime: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26641625

yeah, past one week is fine, just keep checking on them to make sure they arent rotting. If needed, freeze them.

Also for tripping, i always recommend tripping when the time "feels right". Its the best way in my opinion.


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    #26662645 - 05/10/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, that so reminds me of the first time I smoked home grown weed! I rolled a one skin and me and wifey sat across the dinner table from each other sharing it, very doubtful anything would happen. We were both floored :awesome:

Hey but once you’ve had good organic weed, shit is it addictive :eek:


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