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cannabinated said: not in the past 50 years
Twice in the past 50 years.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Once in the past 40.
Are you going to get to a point? Or are you just trolling?
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shenmue]
#26659524 - 05/09/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Factcheck.org says "the Democratic super PAC Priorities USA Action has been running an ad falsely suggesting President Donald Trump called the coronavirus outbreak a 'hoax.'"
They attack trump even when he does the right thing . I seriously can't stand CNN or the democratic party anymore. I hate how far left they've gotten. It's so pathetic... I'm tired of all their political correctness bullshit..
If you can't stand CNN, don't watch it.
Amazing how people look past the simple mind control that goes on with these entertainment companies. Of course they are going to say controversial shit, because it gets you to tune in and get all frustrated.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] 1
#26660007 - 05/09/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: Oh look a whole page of falcon trying to explain away another stupid trump statement
Trying?
Would you prefer Snopes to Factcheck?
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During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying 'this is their new hoax.'
Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.
You're spreading disinformation, and I'm calling you out. I even said "I probably shouldn't have said "Dr. Fauci downplayed the importance of testing a bit", but that was my mistake, not Trump's.
It's a page worth of calling out false information. If you can show everyone that Factcheck and Snopes are lying, then I'll actually respect you, because I'm about getting the information right, not "orange man bad".
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natedawgnow said: He didnt downplay testing at all, he just said testing isn't the end all be all solution to this problem. He clearly says it's an important part though.
Make believing to support your fragile argument. Looks like you're taking plays from koods
Ok, I probably shouldn't have said "Dr. Fauci downplayed the importance of testing a bit".
But testing didn't help Katie either, and if you reread the whole context of what Trump said, what exactly would you say he got wrong?
Trump said: "Katie, she tested very good for a long period of time and then all of the sudden today she tested positive... This is why the whole concept of tests aren’t necessarily great. The tests are perfect, but something can happen between the test where it's good and then something happens and all of a sudden... she was tested very recently and tested negative, and then today I guess for some reason she tested positive."
He probably said "I guess for some reason" to emphasize that the testing didn't help her, but I can see that part as a gaffe.
Testing isn't a cure so no duh it didn't help her like that. It did, however, help her to realize she was infected, plain and simple. How is that "not so great" as trump would put it?
He probably said? There you go again making assertions based on trumps marginally coherent ramblings.
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natedawgnow said: Testing isn't a cure so no duh it didn't help her like that. It did, however, help her to realize she was infected, plain and simple. How is that "not so great" as trump would put it?
As you already pointed out "testing isn't the end all be all solution to this problem." That was probably Trump's point.
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natedawgnow said: He probably said? There you go again making assertions based on trumps marginally coherent ramblings.
So would you prefer I take the koods approach and make believe I know exactly why he said it? Like you guys are doing?
I'm adding missing context and providing an alternative possibility for what Trump was thinking. I don't know what he was thinking for a fact, and neither do you. But you can't call your own interpretation with missing context fact either.
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I didn't interpret or misinterpret anything. I'm calling into question his exact words, which were that the concept of testing isnt that great. That's a ridiculous statement.
Thanks to active and regular testing, that woman now knows she has coronavirus and can take steps toward transmission mitigation and seek appropriate medical assistance. Had she not been tested regularly and had she not been shown to be positive, she easily could have spread the virus to pence or even trump.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ran-D]
#26660760 - 05/09/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shenmue] 2
#26660800 - 05/09/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think it’s pretty clear trump isn’t a fan of testing because testing uncovers more cases and that increases the case count, which he knows makes him look bad. He wants to keep the numbers low. He acts like cases don’t exist until they are uncovered with testing.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#26660884 - 05/09/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: I think it’s pretty clear trump isn’t a fan of testing because testing uncovers more cases and that increases the case count, which he knows makes him look bad. He wants to keep the numbers low. He acts like cases don’t exist until they are uncovered with testing.
Or maybe our for profit health care system isn't designed to implement preventive testing. Every negative test result is considered a waste of money and a failure in our system.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
#26660955 - 05/09/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah it’s not. But we have public health departments that could deploy testing, just like we’ve done with HIV testing, or smallpox and polio vaccination programs.
All testing cost are covered through the first bailout bill anyways
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said: Yeah it’s not. But we have public health departments that could deploy testing, just like we’ve done with HIV testing, or smallpox and polio vaccination programs.
All testing cost are covered through the first bailout bill anyways
I know it's covered, but why has been getting tested so hard since this started in the US? I believe it's the reluctance to spend money on negative test results.
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Are you saying that Trumps sentences stand alone, that the sentence that precede it and the sentence that follow offer no contextual clues to the message Trump is imparting and Trump speaks in non sequitars?
That's what it sounds like your saying.
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As you already pointed out "testing isn't the end all be all solution to this problem." That was probably Trump's point.
The lack of adequate testing makes it the most important psrt of the solution that is not being used.
Oh and the idiot that was setting the tone for the household response to the virus in the Whitehouse could have listened to those that suggested masks. Testing
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
#26661026 - 05/09/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: Yeah it’s not. But we have public health departments that could deploy testing, just like we’ve done with HIV testing, or smallpox and polio vaccination programs.
All testing cost are covered through the first bailout bill anyways
I know it's covered, but why has been getting tested so hard since this started in the US? I believe it's the reluctance to spend money on negative test results.
It’s because we don’t have the resources to do them.
Do you think it’s trump that has this attitude? Because every time trump talks about testing, he either acts like it’s not important or that the only reason we have so many cases is the damned testing. I think trump would love to have lots of negative tests - he knows testing is a metric people pay attention too, and if you have lots of tests without a lot of new cases, that would be perfect.
Btw he referred to the negative tests Katie Miller had as “good”
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: falcon] 2
#26661035 - 05/09/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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falcon said: Are you saying that Trumps sentences stand alone, that the sentence that precede it and the sentence that follow offer no contextual clues to the message Trump is imparting and Trump speaks in non sequitars?
That's what it sounds like your saying.
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As you already pointed out "testing isn't the end all be all solution to this problem." That was probably Trump's point.
The lack of adequate testing makes it the most important psrt of the solution that is not being used.
People want to know that sick people in their communities are being identified, and not wandering around posing a danger to them and their families. Until this happens, most people are going to stay home regardless of what their government says is Ok. It’s absolutely maddening that the Trump administration does not get it. It’s a complete failure.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#26661040 - 05/09/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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trumps new press secretary called trump “the jobs president” on the same day the worst jobs report in the history of this country was released showing all the job gains from the past decade have been wiped out. These are not serious people.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#26661041 - 05/09/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, Im going to have to weigh that when/if I go back to work.
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natedawgnow said: I didn't interpret or misinterpret anything. I'm calling into question his exact words, which were that the concept of testing isnt that great. That's a ridiculous statement.
Of course it's a ridiculous statement, when taken by itself, as you guys do. I'm saying you should look at the full context.
Here's more from earlier in the SAME speech Trump gave, and what he said about testing:
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Trump said: But what’s happened with testing is incredible. So as of this morning, we’ve done eight and a half million tests. And yesterday alone, in one day, we did 300,000 tests, and that’s an incredible tribute. Now they have the test where it takes you five minutes. That was a test that didn’t even exist. Everything had to go to a lab. It would be sent to the lab, so it takes a day, and then it takes another day, and by — it takes you three, four, five days if they do a good job.
Now you do a test — boom — and you have it in five minutes. And nobody ever thought a thing like that was even possible.
So what we’ve done has been incredible. We’re going to continue to do it. . . . I’m getting called by other countries, saying what a great job we’re doing. “Could we have some help, sir, with testing? Your tests are better than our tests.
I don't think you're looking at the big picture when you say "I'm calling into question his exact words, which were that the concept of testing isnt that great."
I agree, he messed up with the exact wording of that sentence. But his sentiment about testing was clearer from the full context.
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I’m glad you’re here to tell us what he really meant.
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