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0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me
#26659447 - 05/09/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mush noob simply trying to get familiar with the head space. Hoping to alleviate long term treatment resistant depression.
Used the dosage calculator aiming for level 1 = 0.8g.
90 mins later I'm struggling with the intensity. Having to try hard to remain calm and not panic. Deep breathing and trying to meditate. Floor and walls breathing with mother of pearl swirling multi coloured patterns. Closed eye visuals very fast paced and intense. When I closed my eyes I simply flipped out even more. Really not what I was expecting, to be frank, it scared the shit out of me. Struggled with nausea and was almost sick several times until after the peak. No stomach ache. Nausea resulted from intensity of the waves had me gagging into a bowl. Anxiety went through the roof. Found a little relief pacing up and down. Nothing felt good until after the peak and stuff calmed down a little.
I'm not a psychedelic noob. Not so much cid or psilocybin though. I've got myself out of many intense situations with breathing exercises and meditation. I wouldn't say I'm prone to panic.
However, I was just on the edge of freaking out and panic. There wasn't any pleasure until way after the peak. I've either got super cubes or I have a very very low tolerance to psilocybin. 0.8 g solid level 2 with some elements of level 3. Set and setting were pretty good. Setting was perfect. Mind set maybe a bit off but I wasn't expecting such a powerful experience.
Scared to try again.
Asking for help and advice please.
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: Morky]
#26659501 - 05/09/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like your expectations helped set you up for a good old fashioned scare. I bet if you had anticipated the level of impact it had, that you would have been better able to cope, having been ready and able to deal with it all more smoothly and naturally.
As to the reasons why?
1). The dose calculator is just an approximation, and a pretty good one. But it’s ultimately just a general guide and is subject to variable factors that aren’t static, it is not an exact science.
2.). You were expecting a certain level from a specific dose, a set window of effects maybe? I find that can be a misguiding notion. Although It works to an extent, it can be over or under under - Sometimes by a large degree.
3.). If you use fungi from a multispore grow, but do not dry and then Powderize the entire flush into a homogenous mixture or solution, than the actual mg of psilocybin you’re taking is highly variable- And so dosing a set weight becomes less certain as to its potential potency. this is why doing the aforementioned method, and thenTaking a micro dose to test potency is a practice I maintain. (.1g - .5g dry for a potency test of the flush that’s been pulverized and mixed in a blender).
I’ve had .5g completely blow my expectations and assumptions out of the water, lol. Makes me relieved that I test at all so as to gauge an appropriate dose for a macro dose range trip.
You gave yourself a fright , kind of like when I’m outside walking at night, and then suddenly hear what sounds like someone getting murdered - shrill screams done horridly and very very loudly - only to look up in a tree and see a “screaming owl” take off from a branch.
Or when you get a new hot sauce and use an amount you normally do expecting similar results, only to suddenly feel like your about to have a seizure and pass out because the thing was so much more spicy than imagined.
Or like a doing a rep of bench presses on an bar assist machine that some clown has scratched off the paint where the numbers were, and wrote down new numbers totaling 2x or 3x the original weight per each bar - you go to bench your normal amount - say 180 lb , and thus you prep yourself as having been conditioned to do that number ... only to be surprised by suddenly having to deal with 360lbs or god forbid, 540lb !
It’s sort of like that, right?
If one keeps things in the appropriate perspective, you can become much more skillful, or adept, in dealing and being with anything that reality presents.
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Edited by The Blind Ass (05/09/20 09:14 AM)
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: Morky] 1
#26659558 - 05/09/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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morky, why do deep breathing?
just try to keep aware of your ordinary breathing: if you like you can count, or just say "breathing in, breathing out"; but if you do deep breathing you head into hyperventilation.
be gentle, don't judge yourself, be aware (of your body position and space, and relax, that is more sustainable than deep breathing.
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: Morky]
#26659926 - 05/09/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I could be way off the mark here dude, but I’m going to say it!. Regardless that the experience was much stronger than you were expecting; if you are getting freaked out by basically what is a “level 2” bordering 3 trip you have to ask serious questions whether mushrooms are indeed for you? The rabbit hole goes much further than a level 2 dude. Conversely, people on here do say that sometimes taking too little can lead to greater anxiety and a generally less rewarding experience. Can’t comment on that though, I always “macro dose”.
Take care DJ Ed
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: Morky]
#26659960 - 05/09/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like you were caught off guard since you were expecting a level 1 and got something much more. Happens man, that’s why it’s a good idea to have some emergency benzos on hand. Pretty much kills the trip. Whenever I get something like this happen to me, I tell myself I have benzos on hand so try to work with the trip. Usually I’m able to work through it with doing some yoga like poses (I don’t do yoga but it feels so right while tripping) and breathing meditation. At least you know you have some active mushies! It’s often not an easy experience but worth it in the end.
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26660008 - 05/09/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said:
As to the reasons why? ....
3.). If you use fungi from a multispore grow, but do not dry and then Powderize the entire flush into a homogenous mixture or solution, than the actual mg of psilocybin you’re taking is highly variable- And so dosing a set weight becomes less certain as to its potential potency. this is why doing the aforementioned method, and thenTaking a micro dose to test potency is a practice I maintain. (.1g - .5g dry for a potency test of the flush that’s been pulverized and mixed in a blender).
I’ve had .5g completely blow my expectations and assumptions out of the water, lol. Makes me relieved that I test at all so as to gauge an appropriate dose for a macro dose range trip.
One cannot fault the above logic.
Being scared means, that your future use will be more cautious/respectful of the mushrooms' power. which is sensible.
Also, no need to judge yourself, -- when one suddenly finds oneself blasting off in a rocket, its pretty much impossible to figure out how to "go with the flow" / "work on oneself" or whatever one chooses to call it, if there hasn't been some previous training as to how to deal with very extreme conditions.
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: laughingdog]
#26661738 - 05/10/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Sounds like your expectations helped set you up for a good old fashioned scare. I bet if you had anticipated the level of impact it had, that you would have been better able to cope, having been ready and able to deal with it all more smoothly and naturally.
As to the reasons why?
1). The dose calculator is just an approximation, and a pretty good one. But it’s ultimately just a general guide and is subject to variable factors that aren’t static, it is not an exact science.
2.). You were expecting a certain level from a specific dose, a set window of effects maybe? I find that can be a misguiding notion. Although It works to an extent, it can be over or under under - Sometimes by a large degree.
3.). If you use fungi from a multispore grow, but do not dry and then Powderize the entire flush into a homogenous mixture or solution, than the actual mg of psilocybin you’re taking is highly variable- And so dosing a set weight becomes less certain as to its potential potency. this is why doing the aforementioned method, and thenTaking a micro dose to test potency is a practice I maintain. (.1g - .5g dry for a potency test of the flush that’s been pulverized and mixed in a blender).
I’ve had .5g completely blow my expectations and assumptions out of the water, lol. Makes me relieved that I test at all so as to gauge an appropriate dose for a macro dose range trip.
You gave yourself a fright , kind of like when I’m outside walking at night, and then suddenly hear what sounds like someone getting murdered - shrill screams done horridly and very very loudly - only to look up in a tree and see a “screaming owl” take off from a branch.
Or when you get a new hot sauce and use an amount you normally do expecting similar results, only to suddenly feel like your about to have a seizure and pass out because the thing was so much more spicy than imagined.
Or like a doing a rep of bench presses on an bar assist machine that some clown has scratched off the paint where the numbers were, and wrote down new numbers totaling 2x or 3x the original weight per each bar - you go to bench your normal amount - say 180 lb , and thus you prep yourself as having been conditioned to do that number ... only to be surprised by suddenly having to deal with 360lbs or god forbid, 540lb !
It’s sort of like that, right?
If one keeps things in the appropriate perspective, you can become much more skillful, or adept, in dealing and being with anything that reality presents.
Thank you for your reply. Homogenising flushes is something I'll definitely do from now on. Also Micro / Macro testing potency of batches. Thanks again for taking the time to type out such a informative and compassionate reply. It's put my mind more at rest 
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redgreenvines said: morky, why do deep breathing?
just try to keep aware of your ordinary breathing: if you like you can count, or just say "breathing in, breathing out"; but if you do deep breathing you head into hyperventilation.
be gentle, don't judge yourself, be aware (of your body position and space, and relax, that is more sustainable than deep breathing.
I do some controlled breathing exercises to help calm myself rather than deep breathing. My bad for the inaccurate description. Thanks for your reply.
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DJ Ed said: I could be way off the mark here dude, but I’m going to say it!. Regardless that the experience was much stronger than you were expecting; if you are getting freaked out by basically what is a “level 2” bordering 3 trip you have to ask serious questions whether mushrooms are indeed for you? The rabbit hole goes much further than a level 2 dude. Conversely, people on here do say that sometimes taking too little can lead to greater anxiety and a generally less rewarding experience. Can’t comment on that though, I always “macro dose”.
Take care DJ Ed
You may be dead right Ed. This may not be for me. However, I'm only here for some relief from my depression. I don't have any interest in seeing how far the rabbit hole goes. I've read and researched for many months before trying, what I thought was, a very light dose. I aimed for Level 1 'Mild stoning effect' not powerful waves of emotions along side visuals. My expectations didn't tie in with the reality. Not by a long shot. This still may not be for me. At least I've researched and haven't just jumped in blindly with a 5g dose and given myself PTSD. I'm just trying to heal Thanks for your reply
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Jimmy Sage said: Sounds like you were caught off guard since you were expecting a level 1 and got something much more. Happens man, that’s why it’s a good idea to have some emergency benzos on hand. Pretty much kills the trip. Whenever I get something like this happen to me, I tell myself I have benzos on hand so try to work with the trip. Usually I’m able to work through it with doing some yoga like poses (I don’t do yoga but it feels so right while tripping) and breathing meditation. At least you know you have some active mushies! It’s often not an easy experience but worth it in the end.
I must get some benzos. Having some on hand may of helped even if I didn't actually take them. Having a life line just in case simply as an emotional prop. I get it
I got through it though. I freaked but not so much as to make a regrettable phone call or completely panic. I was anxious and it was difficult. Hopefully, it will be worth it in the end. I found physically stretching out my back and limbs helpful although I've never done any yoga. I'd forgotten that until you mentioned it. All of this info is really helpful. Thanks for your insight
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The Blind Ass said:
As to the reasons why? ....
3.). If you use fungi from a multispore grow, but do not dry and then Powderize the entire flush into a homogenous mixture or solution, than the actual mg of psilocybin you’re taking is highly variable- And so dosing a set weight becomes less certain as to its potential potency. this is why doing the aforementioned method, and thenTaking a micro dose to test potency is a practice I maintain. (.1g - .5g dry for a potency test of the flush that’s been pulverized and mixed in a blender).
I’ve had .5g completely blow my expectations and assumptions out of the water, lol. Makes me relieved that I test at all so as to gauge an appropriate dose for a macro dose range trip.
One cannot fault the above logic.
Being scared means, that your future use will be more cautious/respectful of the mushrooms' power. which is sensible.
Also, no need to judge yourself, -- when one suddenly finds oneself blasting off in a rocket, its pretty much impossible to figure out how to "go with the flow" / "work on oneself" or whatever one chooses to call it, if there hasn't been some previous training as to how to deal with very extreme conditions.
My respect level was already high but now even higher. No previous experience or point of reference made it harder to deal with. You are exactly right. Thank you
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: Morky]
#26661752 - 05/10/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fair dos Morky. I came back to mushrooms 4 years ago for the exact same reason; to c0me off SSRIs and use psilocybin instead. Wish I’d done it years ago. But I would recommend you give serious thought to having at least one “macro trip” where you go for at least 3.5g dry. Use a sitter who will be there to provide mutual support but not interrupt your journey. Prepare for this trip for a few weeks with reading, taking walks, eating and sleeping and exercising healthily. The go for it. Once you have that experience, you will find you don’t need to repeat it. You will get lasting benefits by finding a lower dose that still gives you the next day after glow. But I personally believe you need that first venture down the rabbit hole for the lower doses to be effective.
The micro-dosers on here might have other recommendations for you based on using lower doses to treat depression; o can’t comment on that, though as have no experience.
Best of luck DJ Ed
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: DJ Ed]
#26661845 - 05/10/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mushrooms are divided into 2 stages.
If you feel uncomfortable on mushrooms its because of your bad vibe ass buddy. This is the mindfuck. Very common for amateurs and balled-heads.
Then after the mindfuck is over u chill the fuck out and feel good about yourself. This is the ecstasy faze. You feel light as a feather. Like its the first day of the rest of your life. Like morty after his psycho toxins are cleared out.
If you have peace with yourself and the world then u can skip the mindfuck faze and your entire trip will be euphoric.
Usually its recommended for beginners to take 5-6g because its so intense that it kills you and your forced into inner peace aka ego death.
The more woke you are the less you need.
Mushrooms are like training wheels. Start high and gradually decrease ur dose until you're tripping on the fiji water.
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: DJ Ed]
#26665675 - 05/12/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: people on here do say that sometimes taking too little can lead to greater anxiety and a generally less rewarding experience.
Came in to post this. Sounds like it was all come up no release. Take more next time IMO
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: Morky]
#26666076 - 05/12/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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As someone who has micro-dosed in the past and macro-doses regularly enough, I think the problem with micro-dosing and "not wanting anything more than a micro-dose experience" is the exact issue that gets people into trouble.
As i'm sure you've realized 0.8g is, generally, not a micro dose. Now it seems that you've had a stronger than expected trip at that dosage BUT 0.8g is still much larger than a micro dose.
Generally, micro-doses range between 0.1 and 0.4g (usually 0.2 and 0.3g are the sweet-spots for people).
What I see often with people who micro-dose is that they want to "feel" some effects but not "too much". A true micro-dose can't be felt. Once you get into the territory where the dose can be felt, it quickly spirals into effects that can frighten someone who isn't expecting the depth and magnitude of a mushroom experience.
If you truly want to micro-dose, do some experimentation between 0.1 and 0.4g and see where you start to notice effects. Then, scale it back until you feel little to no effects. Take that dosage consistently for about a month, logging your feelings everyday. See the changes based on your logs/journal at the end of the month. Too many people want a micro-dose to take away their depression, anxiety, etc the moment they take it. Doesn't work that way.
I've micro-dosed in the past, and still do from time to time, as a little boost for my day and to commune with the mushroom. I no longer consistently micro-dose because I've concluded that a Macro-dose (anything 2.5g and up for me) is much more effective at treatment.
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26666299 - 05/12/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Morky, thanks for sharing your experience. For those of us who haven't taken the mushroom yet it's really helpful to hear about reactions like these. This thread has started some awesome discussion and I've learned a lot from everybody who has responded.
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The Blind Ass said: Sounds like your expectations helped set you up for a good old fashioned scare. I bet if you had anticipated the level of impact it had, that you would have been better able to cope, having been ready and able to deal with it all more smoothly and naturally.
As to the reasons why?
1). The dose calculator is just an approximation, and a pretty good one. But it’s ultimately just a general guide and is subject to variable factors that aren’t static, it is not an exact science.
2.). You were expecting a certain level from a specific dose, a set window of effects maybe? I find that can be a misguiding notion. Although It works to an extent, it can be over or under under - Sometimes by a large degree.
3.). If you use fungi from a multispore grow, but do not dry and then Powderize the entire flush into a homogenous mixture or solution, than the actual mg of psilocybin you’re taking is highly variable- And so dosing a set weight becomes less certain as to its potential potency. this is why doing the aforementioned method, and thenTaking a micro dose to test potency is a practice I maintain. (.1g - .5g dry for a potency test of the flush that’s been pulverized and mixed in a blender).
I’ve had .5g completely blow my expectations and assumptions out of the water, lol. Makes me relieved that I test at all so as to gauge an appropriate dose for a macro dose range trip.
You gave yourself a fright , kind of like when I’m outside walking at night, and then suddenly hear what sounds like someone getting murdered - shrill screams done horridly and very very loudly - only to look up in a tree and see a “screaming owl” take off from a branch.
Or when you get a new hot sauce and use an amount you normally do expecting similar results, only to suddenly feel like your about to have a seizure and pass out because the thing was so much more spicy than imagined.
Or like a doing a rep of bench presses on an bar assist machine that some clown has scratched off the paint where the numbers were, and wrote down new numbers totaling 2x or 3x the original weight per each bar - you go to bench your normal amount - say 180 lb , and thus you prep yourself as having been conditioned to do that number ... only to be surprised by suddenly having to deal with 360lbs or god forbid, 540lb !
It’s sort of like that, right?
If one keeps things in the appropriate perspective, you can become much more skillful, or adept, in dealing and being with anything that reality presents.
Saving the above post for future reference, really appreciate the advice.
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Perhaps also of some use, in understanding huge rushes of energy in an unprepared body/mind, a very interesting story:
Gopi Krishna 1903 – 1984) a yogi; ---His autobiography Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man, which presented his personal account of the phenomenon of his awakening of Kundalini, (later renamed Living with Kundalini)---has since appeared in eleven major languages.
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Also in our culture there is no equivalent of shamanic training, that various native cultures have, but I do not have a good source of info to recommend, in this regard. But definitely not Casteneda.
There are actually some believable & interesting accounts. Many include both discipline, lengthy training, and commitment, as do many of the Eastern non psychedelic spiritual practices which also produce altered states. Some native peoples receive training in the use of many different plants and their use in healing. Our culture has none of this and is very disconnected from nature generally speaking.
Fortunately there is some good friendly advice here.
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Re: 0.8g lvl 3 Got my arse handed to me [Re: laughingdog]
#26667869 - 05/13/20 02:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here is the advice for you: “It is important to expect nothing, to take every experience, including the negative ones, as merely steps on the path, and to proceed.” - Ram Dass
Thanks for Socrateshrooms signature. )
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I second this thought about learning lots from hmthis post, I've micro dosed lsd on and off for a few years & regularly macro dose lsd. I have always wanted to try mushrooms but have been scared of the power - I am liking the advice about dried mushroom testing
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