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Are any of you addicted to kratom? I've been using 10g everyday for the past 4 year's. Because of stress from the coronavirus I've been using 20g a day. I noticed today that my body is seriously addicted to it. I skipped a dose and It caused diarrhea and a bad headache. As soon as I took 10g I was completely normal again. My body is 100% addicted to it! Without it I have absolutely no energy. It's difficult to quit because it's sold online and it's available in 3 stores a mile down the road. I've quit far more addictive drugs in the past but for some reason I don't want to give this one up. I suffer from depression and kratom is basically all I have to fight it. Are any of you struggling with the same problem?
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26658880 - 05/09/20 12:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Self medicating is bad for precisely this reason.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26658882 - 05/09/20 12:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’m on a pretty heavy habit right now, if I ran out it would suck a pretty big fat dick, figuratively speaking. I find that although the effects are relatively mild it makes the shift in consciousness deep in there, at your core. Last time I ran out I got pain deep in my bones, it was surprising. Like you, just a tiny, tiny scoop got me back to feeling fine.
There’s a compulsion to dose it. Tapering is clearly the way to go for getting off it but good luck sticking to the taper. Maybe the best strategy is to taper as far as you can and then just rip the bandaid. I really haven’t experimented much with getting off it. It is confirmed though, wd’s get pretty acute for some like myself. Really the only silver lining is you don’t have to worry about dieing like with benzos or alcohol so that’s a relief:
For the record I assume total responsibility for dosing multiple times a day for a very extended period, it’s not like I was taken advantage of. I dug my way in, I’ll dig my way out.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Amanita86]
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Im addicted to it too. I take 3/4 to 1 teaspoon doses but quite often. Its such a shitty substance to be addicted to in my opinion. I dont feel it at all if I eat a bunch, so I try not to eat a ton and that is addict behavior. Id simply smoke weed but for reasons I can’t currently.
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Yeah I’d rather smoke herb too but can’t really. If I had herb to fall back on my kratom usage would probably drop down to nights I can’t sleep or when my back is screwing up.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Amanita86]
#26658949 - 05/09/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bro, same boat. Its a tough situation. I feel for you cuz im living it too. Without doxxing myself too much, where I live its illegal so I have to have it shipped from someone whos willing to risk that too. I really need to stop.
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As I’ve factored it in my head it’s going to have to get pretty mathematical for me with weighing each dose and doing it at a set time. Anytime I try to taper via eyeball it goes well for awhile and then my scoops start getting a little on the heavy side and I’m back to where I began. I try to always have a kilo in reserve so if some shit should hit the fan somehow I have a ‘taper kilo’ to get me near as ideal as possible for going cold turkey. If anything it’s an exercise in discipline.
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One other thing is if cutting back it helps to stay on the move. Sitting still and sleeping are when the torture kicks into full effect. I remember last time I ran out, around 2 am I was wishing I had an exercise bike just to keep in constant motion. So far I haven’t found anything you can take that kills the wd’s, I’ve tried all manner of gaba drugs and whatnot but nothing so far. Someone here suggested Immodium, apparently that’s what heroin users use and a chemical in it binds to opiate receptors but I’ve not tried it personally. Read up on it because if memory serves me you can run into troubles if you take too much, so you’ll want to make sure you don’t overdo it..
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26658982 - 05/09/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: Are any of you addicted to kratom? I've been using 10g everyday for the past 4 year's. Because of stress from the coronavirus I've been using 20g a day. I noticed today that my body is seriously addicted to it. I skipped a dose and It caused diarrhea and a bad headache. As soon as I took 10g I was completely normal again. My body is 100% addicted to it! Without it I have absolutely no energy. It's difficult to quit because it's sold online and it's available in 3 stores a mile down the road. I've quit far more addictive drugs in the past but for some reason I don't want to give this one up. I suffer from depression and kratom is basically all I have to fight it. Are any of you struggling with the same problem?
Yep. Been there. Was doing 1oz+ a day at my worst points.
SOOOOOOOOOO fucking glad to be free of it. I become habitual if I have it, so only option was to not buy it anymore.
Great stuff, but fuck addiction.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Amanita86]
#26658984 - 05/09/20 01:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I feel the same way too. Phenibut (similar to gabapentin, you probably know of it,) can help thr anxiety but not much else.. and you dont want to take that stuff too much. Edibles help WD (I use to use long ago,) and they last a long while too... but alas, cant go that route.
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I have yet to read about someone really thinking Kratom feels that great, most reports I have read is it has very little recreational use so not sure how people are getting addicted to it.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
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budmanman said: I have yet to read about someone really thinking Kratom feels that great, most reports I have read is it has very little recreational use so not sure how people are getting addicted to it.
You have to be trolling. Obviously it feels good or people wouldn't be taking it lmao.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26658996 - 05/09/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’ve only tried it it twice
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Shenmue said: Are any of you addicted to kratom? I've been using 10g everyday for the past 4 year's. Because of stress from the coronavirus I've been using 20g a day. I noticed today that my body is seriously addicted to it. I skipped a dose and It caused diarrhea and a bad headache. As soon as I took 10g I was completely normal again. My body is 100% addicted to it! Without it I have absolutely no energy. It's difficult to quit because it's sold online and it's available in 3 stores a mile down the road. I've quit far more addictive drugs in the past but for some reason I don't want to give this one up. I suffer from depression and kratom is basically all I have to fight it. Are any of you struggling with the same problem?
Yep. Been there. Was doing 1oz+ a day at my worst points.
SOOOOOOOOOO fucking glad to be free of it. I become habitual if I have it, so only option was to not buy it anymore.
Great stuff, but fuck addiction.
I hope I find the strength to do the same thing. It's fucking addictive man!! I might try to stop starting tomorrow.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26659000 - 05/09/20 02:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I thought I had the coronavirus today. Nope turns out I was withdrawing from kratom. I just hate how I'm a slave to it..
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26659009 - 05/09/20 02:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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What was your favorite effect from kratom?
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CookieCrumbs said: Self medicating is bad for precisely this reason.
Well I mean you still get addicted to substances even if you aren't self medicating... its not like just because its prescribed its not addictive
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CookieCrumbs said: Self medicating is bad for precisely this reason.
No fucking shit lol. I'm glad you're here to give us your wise opinions ..
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
#26659043 - 05/09/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its opiate esqu depending on the strain and amount taken. Some people dont agree. I used kratom to get off methadone years ago. Without a tolerance, kratom is very nice to take for many situations. Cant sleep after a trip? Kratom will help.
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A mild sleep aid that makes people want to vomit if they try to get a significant effect, that's all I have read about this junk.
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CatsLoveHouseMusic said: Its opiate esqu depending on the strain and amount taken. Some people dont agree. I used kratom to get off methadone years ago. Without a tolerance, kratom is very nice to take for many situations. Cant sleep after a trip? Kratom will help.
Those people don't agree because they didn't take a high enough dose Or they had bunk kratom.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26659057 - 05/09/20 02:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Where do you get this great kratom from, show me and I will try it and either compliment it or make fun of you.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
#26659058 - 05/09/20 02:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've got so much f'n kratom in jars when I bought in bulk years back.. every time I try to take it, its good for one day and then it just makes me tired, bad mood, dry gums, no good effects after the first day
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
#26659063 - 05/09/20 02:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: A mild sleep aid that makes people want to vomit if they try to get a significant effect, that's all I have read about this junk.
Are you seriously this bored lol? I have a better Idea I'm just putting you on my ignore list . Bye lol..
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26659066 - 05/09/20 02:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Imagine ignoring someone because you are addicted to some weak ass Kratom, you could have produced information on where I could get high quality fun addictive kratom but instead you conceded.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
#26659071 - 05/09/20 02:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I think it depends on the quality, strain and the person. Ive heard people say that and my first batch had me pissed I spent 70$ on it. I have quality stuff now. Its not for everyone. Its definitely not to be “slept” on though.
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I get the same kinda thing with pharmy pills - really great the first time, but no real good feelings when taking consecutive doses. So I think its just my personal chemistry... which I guess is probably a good thing
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Yeah I had a nasty pill problem bc my GF got prescribe oxycodone, and alot of them for a serious injury. We were so bad with them, I havnt touched anything like that in 6 years... but thats why I personally enjoy good kratom.
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Most pharms are pretty lame too, xanax for example, I like it because it makes me not think negative thoughts or worry about anything, but from a recreational stand point its lame as fuck. Back when I did lots of drugs I thought xanax was a fake drug, I tried it so many times and felt nothing so one day I took a fuck load, I couldn't grip things and other than that I barely felt a thing, people talk about oh I forget the whole day and lose everything I own, I remember the whole thing and that it was nothing note worthy and never took it again since other than a prescription I got for 5 pills because I was having anxiety issues. It helps with anxiety disorders and thats it and its almost impossible to get them for anxiety so they're basically useless.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
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yeah some people really seem to enjoy Xanax. I think tame is the wrong word for pharmaceuticals. If that was the case, drugs like a-PVP, some 2c’s datura, etc would the non tame ones.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
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budmanman said: I have yet to read about someone really thinking Kratom feels that great, most reports I have read is it has very little recreational use so not sure how people are getting addicted to it.
See this is the problem with people who get their info second hand. They tend to form an opinion and then parrot it. Get a few people doing that and it turns into a game of Chinese whispers and misinformation.
You seem to have a problem empathizing with other humans. I think often a lack of life experience causes this. What would be the harm in trying it for yourself and so having a valid opinion?
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Heroins not tame, I would do a phat wap of that and feel incredible and just watch ancient aliens. Oh the good ol days. Wanna talk about addicting, now that was addicting, I got to the point that I would load up 3 grams of decent tar into 6 needles and stick them all in me at once and inject them all at once lol. I still remember the taste in my mouth after doing that one.
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budmanman said: I have yet to read about someone really thinking Kratom feels that great, most reports I have read is it has very little recreational use so not sure how people are getting addicted to it.
See this is the problem with people who get their info second hand. They tend to form an opinion and then parrot it. Get a few people doing that and it turns into a game of Chinese whispers and misinformation.
You seem to have a problem empathizing with other humans. I think often a lack of life experience causes this. What would be the harm in trying it for yourself and so having a valid opinion?
That's cool, link me to the high grade shit and I will try it, I have already asked this in this thread, to get 1st hand experience but instead got blocked lmao
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Jokeshopbeard said: See this is the problem with people who get their info second hand. They tend to form an opinion and then parrot it. Get a few people doing that and it turns into a game of Chinese whispers and misinformation.
You seem to have a problem empathizing with other humans. I think often a lack of life experience causes this. What would be the harm in trying it for yourself and so having a valid opinion?
Budmanmam is obviously a lonely internet troll.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26659107 - 05/09/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I hate how people like him exist.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26659115 - 05/09/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just ordered some gonna try it for the first time. Lets see what people are getting hooked on these days, person claims its a high quality retailer.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
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registered in 07, 87 ratings. Troll probability highly unlikely
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He went through with an order. Give him some credit for that. Its some goodie. I felt the same way as you guys but he bought some. I fuck with that.
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Salvia is another one of those no joke hard core fucks of a drug. Literally blasted into a fucked up dimension of pain on a big bowl of 20x 12 or so years ago.
Ever since then the world got really weird after I came back, not sure if I landed in the right body in the right dimension after that.
Things like surrendering your rights for a mild virus were not something that would have happened in the world my old body was in.
For weeks after doing salvia I wasn't sure if the trip was actually over.
To this day I am not 100% sure.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
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Ya I dont mess with salvia. That stuff is DEFINITELY not for kids, like its main audience is. Get thrown so far away that you dont know whats going on, and ive even forgot I smoked anything and thought something was wrong with me.
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Saying kratom isn't addictive is beyond retarded. People wouldn't drink a nasty ass leaf if it didn't do anything lol! The government wouldn't try to ban it if people didn't like to use it!
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26659132 - 05/09/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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People almost never want to do salvia ever again after doing it once and some states have already banned it and the governments been trying to ban it more all this time.
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CookieCrumbs said: Self medicating is bad for precisely this reason.
No fucking shit lol. I'm glad you're here to give us your wise opinions ..
Wow. Stunned. I'm not gonna call you names but I think it is indicative of a very unhappy person to say something like that to those words from a person like CC.
I hope you feel better inside someday soon.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman] 1
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People tend to approach salvia in the wrong way, so of course they have bad experiences. The thing about kratom and you can see it in this thread is it’s being judged based off it’s recreational value, synonymous for the most part with abuse potential. That’s why I made it a point to spell out clearly my decisions alone are why I currently get wd’s if I don’t take it for a day. There’s plenty of people who would testify that it has legit medicinal uses, ones that probably inspired a few folks to attempt to make it illegal. If you don’t habitually take it or take massive doses it has no real side effects at all. It genuinely has value and should be available to those who are looking for it and get benefit from it.
Everyone is different and if you don’t get ‘effects’ just move along until you find what works for you. You know how it goes.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
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budmanman said: People almost never want to do salvia ever again after doing it once and some states have already banned it and the governments been trying to ban it more all this time.
Salvia is a terrible comparison. It's weird and often scary. Kratom is soothing and allows one to go about ones day feeling better than sober.
Which is why it is addicting, and why salvia is not.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Amanita86]
#26659156 - 05/09/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I said I didn't see how it has any recreational use, which is what gets most people addicted to drugs they buy.
There is no right way to approach salvia, if you do enough to break through you won't even know you did salvia, you're just in some crazy ass place, you don't remember doing the drug at all and are wondering what the fuck is going on and where are you.
At one point I thought I was asleep and was trying to wake myself up, then I realized I wasn't asleep and that I died and was experiencing my death over and over again.
Whats wild is all the sudden reality just instantly folded, literally folded back in front of me and it was instantly over. 2 minute duration in real life but where ever I was I was there for hours, days maybe weeks not really sure.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman] 1
#26659159 - 05/09/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’ve gone through pounds of salvia and I usually knew I had smoked. The problems start when you smoke the extracts. Plain leaf is a lot different than extracts. I always recommend plain leaf over extracts for multiple reasons..
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
#26659163 - 05/09/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The experience was so wild to this day I am not 100% sure the trip is actually over. Typing on this forum right now might just be part of the trip. I have no rational way to differentiate between the two. I just have to assume it is over as it has felt like it has been over for years. Such a strange form of psychosis, and to be aware it is happening and has been happening for years. You would think I could be certain it is over by now but I can't.
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Shenmue
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CookieCrumbs said: Self medicating is bad for precisely this reason.
No fucking shit lol. I'm glad you're here to give us your wise opinions ..
Wow. Stunned. I'm not gonna call you names but I think it is indicative of a very unhappy person to say something like that to those words from a person like CC.
I hope you feel better inside someday soon.
Does anyone on the planet not know that self medicating is bad? It was just sarcasm ...
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26659166 - 05/09/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Extracts create problems for lots of substances that are relatively safe in their natural form
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26659168 - 05/09/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Right. But it was still a shitty way to respond to someone that's clearly only trying to help, whichever way you wanna paint it.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Amanita86]
#26659169 - 05/09/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: I’ve gone through pounds of salvia and I usually knew I had smoked. The problems start when you smoke the extracts. Plain leaf is a lot different than extracts. I always recommend plain leaf over extracts for multiple reasons..
I did a huge bowl of 20x, this again was many many years ago. I loaded enough to pass around so that me and a few people could all try to be on it at once, but it burned so fast I smoked a huge bowl of this 20x extract all to my self by accident and held it for almost 30 seconds but it got so intense by 27 seconds I forced it all out and then the room split in half and I was somewhere else and then I forgot I did the drug and didn't know where I was and shit was folding and flying all around me and I could feel it and it fucking hurt, physically hurt really bad, I could feel the folds shredding me to pieces.
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Shenmue
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Jokeshopbeard said: Right. But it was still a shitty way to respond to someone that's clearly only trying to help, whichever way you wanna paint it.
He was trying to help? In what way was that helpful?
Edited by Shenmue (05/09/20 04:01 AM)
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26659173 - 05/09/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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yea its really not a helpful remark
its actually only judgmental
not helpful at all
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I judge Shenmue to be a blocking cry pussy.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
#26659177 - 05/09/20 04:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah man, I was a blade of grass that got run over by a lawn mower. It was a death experience. It’s an odd plant, the range of effects are pretty much infinite. I’ve been literally (literally as possible) torn when I was torn out from the fabric of reality. You can learn many things from a salvia experience.
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pixelpopper said: yea its really not a helpful remark
its actually only judgmental
not helpful at all
Exactly!
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Cause it's a reality check. Being condescending and ungrateful doth not a good human make.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Amanita86]
#26659182 - 05/09/20 04:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I learned that you have no idea if you are really here right now.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
#26659185 - 05/09/20 04:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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We’re here, wherever here is..
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Pretty fucking rich coming from you, JSB
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman] 1
#26659195 - 05/09/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: I learned that you have no idea if you are really here right now.
1 Corinthian. 15:51 - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26659196 - 05/09/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Using the word "doth" with a serious face while also criticizing someone for being condescending
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I never said I was perfect.
But seeing someone talk like that to CC - especially when they have a history of being quite unkind around here - is not something I can see and not call out.
My corpse will be lifeless before I see injustice like that and don't act on it.
Do you have anything constructive to add?
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Jokeshopbeard said: I never said I was perfect.
But seeing someone talk like that to CC - especially when they have a history of being quite unkind around here - is not something I can see and not call out.
My corpse will be lifeless before I see injustice like that and don't act on it.
Do you have anything constructive to add?
Yeah anyone that isn't a far leftist, anti gun, political correctness, joe Biden loving moron is a very, very mean person.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
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CookieCrumbs said: Self medicating is bad for precisely this reason.
No fucking shit lol. I'm glad you're here to give us your wise opinions ..
It was like 2am and couldn't summon the brain power for much else. Mostly wanted to ding the thread to remind myself to come back later. so you're welcome.
I'm addicted too man. It was a shitty day when I couldn't dose and realized I was experience shitty symptoms of withdrawal. Self medicating physical and mental illness. It sucks.
But I know with pain management I wouldn't be in much of a better boat since docs don't understand tolerance breaks. They hear "I want to take a break because I'm becoming physically dependant" and interpret that as "lets get you off it forever so I don't get sued."
I'm trying to tackle smoking before I hit kratom but it's been so long since I've made that decision that I'm starting to think it might have to be the other way around.
I've addressed alot of factors that, once eliminated, I would have a much easier time living without either. For a time at least. It's a work in progress but at least I have a plan.
While not the same thing you can find some great advice in the AA and opiate addiction threads in the Physical and Mental Wellbeing forum.
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pixelpopper said: Using the word "doth" with a serious face while also criticizing someone for being condescending

It’s the internet and we are on a forum, if there was ever a place to use “doth” ‘tis “ here mi ladi...
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26661168 - 05/09/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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pixelpopper said: Using the word "doth" with a serious face while also criticizing someone for being condescending
This is because you are a. American, b. unskilled in the use of language, and c. unable to grasp humor.
Although it could also equally be d. I am an absolute cock sucking cunt.
Perhaps e. somewhere in between?
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Shenmue said: Yeah anyone that isn't a far leftist, anti gun, political correctness, joe Biden loving moron is a very, very mean person.
I said constructive, not judgmental.
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I've been taking kratom on and off for about a year now, mostly to deal with pain. I occasionally have the impulse to down twice my usual dose and proceed to realize I don't like the high, I don't dislike it, but I don't like it either. So far I haven't had trouble coming off of it, but I usually don't go over 5 grams of the stuff at at time, not to mention I haven't been using it for all that long.
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I was on the heavy stuff way before I tried Kratom, and I think for that reason it never did much for me. I've tried to use it at as an Opiate Supplement in the past to no avail. It just made me more jittery without alleviating the main W\D symptoms.
I have no doubt that after 4 years one could grow a physical dependence to it though.
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Shaman is useless auststic chinks good for nothing........ They allow kratom to be banned in ireland,france,states in usa and many other countries.
useless dying shaman cunts
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Ive never did kratom? what is it comparable to?
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Kratom is a miracle for many people, the key for using it responsibly if finding the right rhythm with it.
Some people have much easier tolerance issues from kratom, especially if they are prone to higher doses. IMO kratom is made to be used only semi often at higher doses, and only regularly at lower doses.
There is a reason most long term kratom users swear by less is more. It's just like any plant, if you use it too much you will need more for the same effects. Kratom can be addicting but is at least relatively safe compared to most addictions.
I've been a mostly daily kratom user for years and have managed to stick with 1.75g doses for several years. At that dose I get consistent effects and minimal tolerance issues, but it's different for everyone. Some people probably aren't meant for daily use.
Last few times I took breaks from my kratom use it was about as easy if not easier than a cannabis break. Even if you are using higher doses tapering can be very easy and smooth if done steadily rather then quitting cold turkey, it just takes a bit of willpower.
It might sound harsh but people who have trouble using kratom responsibly are lucky they aren't trying opium or something far riskier. Even the worst of kratom habits is pretty benign compared to heavier addictions. And honestly I think there is something to the neuroplasticity effect and previous addictions altering the brain to make kratom more addictive, as most of the people who have the most trouble with kratom started using it while addicted to something else.
Kratom has probably saved me from succumbing to depression over the years, I've self medicated with cannabis since I was a kid but it can be a lot more hit or miss and sometimes leaves me feeling very bipolar. Kratom has a consistent medicinal quality that can be live saving when used responsibly.
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musiclover420 said: And honestly I think there is something to the neuroplasticity effect and previous addictions altering the brain to make kratom more addictive, as most of the people who have the most trouble with kratom started using it while addicted to something else.
100%
When I was younger I could do pretty much any drug on and off with no consequences.
Now even 7 years clean from a dope habit, my buzzes last way shorter and only a couple days of anything addictive and I already start getting minor withdrawal symptoms when stopping. More so with things like opiates, booze and nicotine which I used heavily in the past.
My kratom experience, regardless of dose, strain, or vendor is 30-60 minutes of a nice energizing buzz sometimes even with itchiness and euphoria, then feeling like a zombie that can't think straight for the rest of the day after that first hour. I then redose and get not a whole lot out of it. By day 2 the euphoria is mostly gone and I just get some energy. If I stop on day 4 I get restless legs, irritable and terrible sleep for a few days.
I literally can't comprehend how someone can function and be content taking a couple grams once or twice a day. That's just my own neurochemistry though, those addictive pathways are already well carved out and ready to be activated. Taking 2g and then stopping is like eating a single french fry for me and then having to just sit there smelling the rest of them all day.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: feevers]
#26663491 - 05/10/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used to be even after having multiple seizures on it I eventually quit and the w/d was terrible.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: feevers] 1
#26663511 - 05/10/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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feevers said: Taking 2g and then stopping is like eating a single french fry for me and then having to just sit there smelling the rest of them all day.
That is a pretty great metaphor for addiction.
And just like with food if you overindulge it becomes harder to get your fill.
Sugar is also a good comparison. The more processed sweets you eat the less you will notice the weaker ones. And once you get a taste for something sweet it can be hard to stop until you've overindulged and made yourself sick.
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As an ex-opiate addict, Kratom was awesome. An extremely beautiful plant in its effects. I also give Kratom its credit to helping me get off a heavy opium/poppy pod addiction. 2-3 weeks of Kratom and I avoided most the acute WD.
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: daz01]
#26663892 - 05/11/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was gonna make this thread actually. I was in the same situation i weaned down from 30g per day to 6g per day switching to capsules and measuring doses
I used to take it for depression but now i'm not depressed anymore so i started to wean myself off it slowly after a failed attempt to go cold turkey. . Now I just take a little bit when i start getting RLS because thats the only symptom i get relly but its still fucking irritating .
I just started spacing out doses, from 2 hours apart, to 3 hours, 4 hours, and eventually 6 hours, 8 hours, etc... all while lowing the dose slowly. You can bypass a lot of nasty wd symptoms this way and possibly only have to deal with the rls
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Envix]
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My kratom experience, regardless of dose, strain, or vendor is 30-60 minutes of a nice energizing buzz sometimes even with itchiness and euphoria, then feeling like a zombie that can't think straight for the rest of the day after that first hour. I then redose and get not a whole lot out of it. By day 2 the euphoria is mostly gone and I just get some energy. If I stop on day 4 I get restless legs, irritable and terrible sleep for a few days.
perfect description
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My kratom experience, regardless of dose, strain, or vendor is 30-60 minutes of a nice energizing buzz sometimes even with itchiness and euphoria, then feeling like a zombie that can't think straight for the rest of the day after that first hour. I then redose and get not a whole lot out of it. By day 2 the euphoria is mostly gone and I just get some energy. If I stop on day 4 I get restless legs, irritable and terrible sleep for a few days.
perfect description
Agreed as well.
In the past I have found that pregabalin/lyrica is a godsend when coming off a Kratom habit if you have trouble sticking it out. It's a fuckin miracle
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I'm lowering my dose from 5 to 3 grams and I'm gonna try keeping it at 1 while I still have pain, probably better to split the doses if I need them anyways. I'd rather avoid getting to the point of addiction tbh. Thanks for the heads up guys, I wasn't really keeping an eye on my doses creeping upwards.
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