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pixelpopper
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Jokeshopbeard said: Being condescending ... doth not a good human make.
Pretty fucking rich coming from you, JSB
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Shenmue
Dark Lord of the Sith
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Jokeshopbeard said: Cause it's a reality check. Being condescending and ungrateful doth not a good human make.
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Amanita86
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman] 1
#26659195 - 05/09/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: I learned that you have no idea if you are really here right now.
1 Corinthian. 15:51 - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
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pixelpopper
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26659196 - 05/09/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Using the word "doth" with a serious face while also criticizing someone for being condescending
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Jokeshopbeard
Humble Student

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I never said I was perfect.
But seeing someone talk like that to CC - especially when they have a history of being quite unkind around here - is not something I can see and not call out.
My corpse will be lifeless before I see injustice like that and don't act on it.
Do you have anything constructive to add?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Shenmue
Dark Lord of the Sith
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Jokeshopbeard said: I never said I was perfect.
But seeing someone talk like that to CC - especially when they have a history of being quite unkind around here - is not something I can see and not call out.
My corpse will be lifeless before I see injustice like that and don't act on it.
Do you have anything constructive to add?
Yeah anyone that isn't a far leftist, anti gun, political correctness, joe Biden loving moron is a very, very mean person.
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CookieCrumbs
Fucked off to the pub


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26660828 - 05/09/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shenmue said:
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CookieCrumbs said: Self medicating is bad for precisely this reason.
No fucking shit lol. I'm glad you're here to give us your wise opinions ..
It was like 2am and couldn't summon the brain power for much else. Mostly wanted to ding the thread to remind myself to come back later. so you're welcome.
I'm addicted too man. It was a shitty day when I couldn't dose and realized I was experience shitty symptoms of withdrawal. Self medicating physical and mental illness. It sucks.
But I know with pain management I wouldn't be in much of a better boat since docs don't understand tolerance breaks. They hear "I want to take a break because I'm becoming physically dependant" and interpret that as "lets get you off it forever so I don't get sued."
I'm trying to tackle smoking before I hit kratom but it's been so long since I've made that decision that I'm starting to think it might have to be the other way around.
I've addressed alot of factors that, once eliminated, I would have a much easier time living without either. For a time at least. It's a work in progress but at least I have a plan.
While not the same thing you can find some great advice in the AA and opiate addiction threads in the Physical and Mental Wellbeing forum.
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The Blind Ass
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pixelpopper said: Using the word "doth" with a serious face while also criticizing someone for being condescending

It’s the internet and we are on a forum, if there was ever a place to use “doth” ‘tis “ here mi ladi...
- Betwixt the psychedelic experience section and OTD. Yer move.
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Jokeshopbeard
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
#26661168 - 05/09/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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pixelpopper said: Using the word "doth" with a serious face while also criticizing someone for being condescending
This is because you are a. American, b. unskilled in the use of language, and c. unable to grasp humor.
Although it could also equally be d. I am an absolute cock sucking cunt.
Perhaps e. somewhere in between?
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Shenmue said: Yeah anyone that isn't a far leftist, anti gun, political correctness, joe Biden loving moron is a very, very mean person.
I said constructive, not judgmental.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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ninja cat 09
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I've been taking kratom on and off for about a year now, mostly to deal with pain. I occasionally have the impulse to down twice my usual dose and proceed to realize I don't like the high, I don't dislike it, but I don't like it either. So far I haven't had trouble coming off of it, but I usually don't go over 5 grams of the stuff at at time, not to mention I haven't been using it for all that long.
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Magicman69
All About the Benjamins



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I was on the heavy stuff way before I tried Kratom, and I think for that reason it never did much for me. I've tried to use it at as an Opiate Supplement in the past to no avail. It just made me more jittery without alleviating the main W\D symptoms.
I have no doubt that after 4 years one could grow a physical dependence to it though.
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calmbumblebee


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Shaman is useless auststic chinks good for nothing........ They allow kratom to be banned in ireland,france,states in usa and many other countries.
useless dying shaman cunts
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refuseresist
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Ive never did kratom? what is it comparable to?
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musiclover420
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Kratom is a miracle for many people, the key for using it responsibly if finding the right rhythm with it.
Some people have much easier tolerance issues from kratom, especially if they are prone to higher doses. IMO kratom is made to be used only semi often at higher doses, and only regularly at lower doses.
There is a reason most long term kratom users swear by less is more. It's just like any plant, if you use it too much you will need more for the same effects. Kratom can be addicting but is at least relatively safe compared to most addictions.
I've been a mostly daily kratom user for years and have managed to stick with 1.75g doses for several years. At that dose I get consistent effects and minimal tolerance issues, but it's different for everyone. Some people probably aren't meant for daily use.
Last few times I took breaks from my kratom use it was about as easy if not easier than a cannabis break. Even if you are using higher doses tapering can be very easy and smooth if done steadily rather then quitting cold turkey, it just takes a bit of willpower.
It might sound harsh but people who have trouble using kratom responsibly are lucky they aren't trying opium or something far riskier. Even the worst of kratom habits is pretty benign compared to heavier addictions. And honestly I think there is something to the neuroplasticity effect and previous addictions altering the brain to make kratom more addictive, as most of the people who have the most trouble with kratom started using it while addicted to something else.
Kratom has probably saved me from succumbing to depression over the years, I've self medicated with cannabis since I was a kid but it can be a lot more hit or miss and sometimes leaves me feeling very bipolar. Kratom has a consistent medicinal quality that can be live saving when used responsibly.
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musiclover420 said: And honestly I think there is something to the neuroplasticity effect and previous addictions altering the brain to make kratom more addictive, as most of the people who have the most trouble with kratom started using it while addicted to something else.
100%
When I was younger I could do pretty much any drug on and off with no consequences.
Now even 7 years clean from a dope habit, my buzzes last way shorter and only a couple days of anything addictive and I already start getting minor withdrawal symptoms when stopping. More so with things like opiates, booze and nicotine which I used heavily in the past.
My kratom experience, regardless of dose, strain, or vendor is 30-60 minutes of a nice energizing buzz sometimes even with itchiness and euphoria, then feeling like a zombie that can't think straight for the rest of the day after that first hour. I then redose and get not a whole lot out of it. By day 2 the euphoria is mostly gone and I just get some energy. If I stop on day 4 I get restless legs, irritable and terrible sleep for a few days.
I literally can't comprehend how someone can function and be content taking a couple grams once or twice a day. That's just my own neurochemistry though, those addictive pathways are already well carved out and ready to be activated. Taking 2g and then stopping is like eating a single french fry for me and then having to just sit there smelling the rest of them all day.
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Psyche delics
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: feevers]
#26663491 - 05/10/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used to be even after having multiple seizures on it I eventually quit and the w/d was terrible.
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musiclover420
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: feevers] 1
#26663511 - 05/10/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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feevers said: Taking 2g and then stopping is like eating a single french fry for me and then having to just sit there smelling the rest of them all day.
That is a pretty great metaphor for addiction.
And just like with food if you overindulge it becomes harder to get your fill.
Sugar is also a good comparison. The more processed sweets you eat the less you will notice the weaker ones. And once you get a taste for something sweet it can be hard to stop until you've overindulged and made yourself sick.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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daz01
Learning


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As an ex-opiate addict, Kratom was awesome. An extremely beautiful plant in its effects. I also give Kratom its credit to helping me get off a heavy opium/poppy pod addiction. 2-3 weeks of Kratom and I avoided most the acute WD.
-------------------- Pain is temporary. It may last for a minute or an hour or a day or even a year but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it will last forever.
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Envix
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: daz01]
#26663892 - 05/11/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was gonna make this thread actually. I was in the same situation i weaned down from 30g per day to 6g per day switching to capsules and measuring doses
I used to take it for depression but now i'm not depressed anymore so i started to wean myself off it slowly after a failed attempt to go cold turkey. . Now I just take a little bit when i start getting RLS because thats the only symptom i get relly but its still fucking irritating .
I just started spacing out doses, from 2 hours apart, to 3 hours, 4 hours, and eventually 6 hours, 8 hours, etc... all while lowing the dose slowly. You can bypass a lot of nasty wd symptoms this way and possibly only have to deal with the rls
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morrowasted
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Envix]
#26663926 - 05/11/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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My kratom experience, regardless of dose, strain, or vendor is 30-60 minutes of a nice energizing buzz sometimes even with itchiness and euphoria, then feeling like a zombie that can't think straight for the rest of the day after that first hour. I then redose and get not a whole lot out of it. By day 2 the euphoria is mostly gone and I just get some energy. If I stop on day 4 I get restless legs, irritable and terrible sleep for a few days.
perfect description
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