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InvisibleShenmue
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26659130 - 05/09/20 03:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Saying kratom isn't addictive is beyond retarded. People wouldn't drink a nasty ass leaf if it didn't do anything lol! The government wouldn't try to ban it if people didn't like to use it!


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26659132 - 05/09/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

People almost never want to do salvia ever again after doing it once and some states have already banned it and the governments been trying to ban it more all this time.


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26659146 - 05/09/20 03:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
Self medicating is bad for precisely this reason.



No fucking shit lol. I'm glad you're here to give us your wise opinions :lol: ..



Wow. Stunned. I'm not gonna call you names but I think it is indicative of a very unhappy person to say something like that to those words from a person like CC.

I hope you feel better inside someday soon.


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--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26659152 - 05/09/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

People tend to approach salvia in the wrong way, so of course they have bad experiences.  The thing about kratom and you can see it in this thread is it’s being judged based off it’s recreational value, synonymous for the most part with abuse potential.  That’s why I made it a point to spell out clearly my decisions alone are why I currently get wd’s if I don’t take it for a day.  There’s plenty of people who would testify that it has legit medicinal uses, ones that probably inspired a few folks to attempt to make it illegal.  If you don’t habitually take it or take massive doses it has no real side effects at all.  It genuinely has value and should be available to those who are looking for it and get benefit from it.

Everyone is different and if you don’t get ‘effects’ just move along until you find what works for you.  You know how it goes.


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
    #26659154 - 05/09/20 03:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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People almost never want to do salvia ever again after doing it once and some states have already banned it and the governments been trying to ban it more all this time.



Salvia is a terrible comparison. It's weird and often scary. Kratom is soothing and allows one to go about ones day feeling better than sober.

Which is why it is addicting, and why salvia is not.


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #26659156 - 05/09/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I said I didn't see how it has any recreational use, which is what gets most people addicted to drugs they buy.

There is no right way to approach salvia, if you do enough to break through you won't even know you did salvia, you're just in some crazy ass place, you don't remember doing the drug at all and are wondering what the fuck is going on and where are you.

At one point I thought I was asleep and was trying to wake myself up, then I realized I wasn't asleep and that I died and was experiencing my death over and over again.

Whats wild is all the sudden reality just instantly folded, literally folded back in front of me and it was instantly over. 2 minute duration in real life but where ever I was I was there for hours, days maybe weeks not really sure.


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And I am mentally unstable.


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26659159 - 05/09/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’ve gone through pounds of salvia and I usually knew I had smoked.  The problems start when you smoke the extracts.  Plain leaf is a lot different than extracts.  I always recommend plain leaf over extracts for multiple reasons..


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
    #26659163 - 05/09/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The experience was so wild to this day I am not 100% sure the trip is actually over. Typing on this forum right now might just be part of the trip. I have no rational way to differentiate between the two. I just have to assume it is over as it has felt like it has been over for years. Such a strange form of psychosis, and to be aware it is happening and has been happening for years. You would think I could be certain it is over by now but I can't.


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And I am mentally unstable.


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26659164 - 05/09/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
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Shenmue said:
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CookieCrumbs said:
Self medicating is bad for precisely this reason.



No fucking shit lol. I'm glad you're here to give us your wise opinions :lol: ..



Wow. Stunned. I'm not gonna call you names but I think it is indicative of a very unhappy person to say something like that to those words from a person like CC.

I hope you feel better inside someday soon.




Does anyone on the planet not know that self medicating is bad? It was just sarcasm ...


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26659166 - 05/09/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Extracts create problems for lots of substances that are relatively safe in their natural form


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26659168 - 05/09/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Right. But it was still a shitty way to respond to someone that's clearly only trying to help, whichever way you wanna paint it.


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #26659169 - 05/09/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I’ve gone through pounds of salvia and I usually knew I had smoked.  The problems start when you smoke the extracts.  Plain leaf is a lot different than extracts.  I always recommend plain leaf over extracts for multiple reasons..




I did a huge bowl of 20x, this again was many many years ago. I loaded enough to pass around so that me and a few people could all try to be on it at once, but it burned so fast I smoked a huge bowl of this 20x extract all to my self by accident and held it for almost 30 seconds but it got so intense by 27 seconds I forced it all out and then the room split in half and I was somewhere else and then I forgot I did the drug and didn't know where I was and shit was folding and flying all around me and I could feel it and it fucking hurt, physically hurt really bad, I could feel the folds shredding me to pieces.


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And I am mentally unstable.


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InvisibleShenmue
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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26659170 - 05/09/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
Right. But it was still a shitty way to respond to someone that's clearly only trying to help, whichever way you wanna paint it.




He was trying to help? In what way was that helpful?


Edited by Shenmue (05/09/20 04:01 AM)


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Shenmue]
    #26659173 - 05/09/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

yea its really not a helpful remark

its actually only judgmental

not helpful at all


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26659174 - 05/09/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I judge Shenmue to be a blocking cry pussy.


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
    #26659177 - 05/09/20 04:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah man, I was a blade of grass that got run over by a lawn mower.  It was a death experience.  It’s an odd plant, the range of effects are pretty much infinite.  I’ve been literally (literally as possible) torn when I was torn out from the fabric of reality.  You can learn many things from a salvia experience.


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26659179 - 05/09/20 04:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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yea its really not a helpful remark

its actually only judgmental

not helpful at all




Exactly!


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26659181 - 05/09/20 04:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Cause it's a reality check. Being condescending and ungrateful doth not a good human make.


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #26659182 - 05/09/20 04:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I learned that you have no idea if you are really here right now.


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Re: Addicted to kratom [Re: budmanman]
    #26659185 - 05/09/20 04:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

We’re here, wherever here is..


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