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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Failboat]
#27306826 - 05/13/21 09:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: Yeah, dont you use like 5L?
Nah, I actually use 4 L @ 650g cc + 3q v because my coir doesn't seem to carry any more water all that well.
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Gotcha, yeah I use an empty gallon jug so it's more like 3.75L. Last 6 tubs felt pretty much perfect with about 1qt verm added and I upped the coir from 750 to 800 so as to be on the dry side.
Key is manually crumbling the coir befpre hydrating with steamy hot water. I like the in tub measured approach because I have exact control so long as the ingredients are consistent. Spawn, water, coir, verm. If it's always the same, then I should always get the same results, and it seems to work.
No room for wet mistakes as the wet makes any sneaky contam worse.
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Failboat]
#27307186 - 05/13/21 03:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: Gotcha, yeah I use an empty gallon jug so it's more like 3.75L. Last 6 tubs felt pretty much perfect with about 1qt verm added and I upped the coir from 750 to 800 so as to be on the dry side.
Key is manually crumbling the coir befpre hydrating with steamy hot water. I like the in tub measured approach because I have exact control so long as the ingredients are consistent. Spawn, water, coir, verm. If it's always the same, then I should always get the same results, and it seems to work.
No room for wet mistakes as the wet makes any sneaky contam worse.
Cool, sounds like we're both prepping on the dry side of field capacity, might be worth some experimentation on my part to see if there's any significant differences in yield at different water saturation levels. I too like to reduce the number of variables as much as possible, keeping everything as exact as possible and measure out everything to the same amounts. Seems to work for me.
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I see it as an equation, the functions are biological, but once you're working with a set of genetics it's plug and chug math, or something like that. Check your variables and adjust. Science n stuff.
Too wet and you'll blow up any nasty thing living in there, but even if it's axenic you will still have problems in general. If the sub is hydrated just right you get max yield. If slightly dry then the decrease in yield would be similarly light.
The O2 levels of the sub may be similarly important so I'm kinda sold on adding verm, but I do hate removal from fruits and I wear a serious mask for tub prep now.
Need me a mountain of this coir, just want consistency.
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Failboat]
#27307358 - 05/13/21 06:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: The O2 levels of the sub may be similarly important so I'm kinda sold on adding verm, but I do hate removal from fruits and I wear a serious mask for tub prep now.
Need me a mountain of this coir, just want consistency.
Thats the conclusion I reached as well, more air in the substrate seems to really benefit the mycelium. Removal from fruits is definitely a pain, but since I "trim" mine at harvest it's not too much of pain, at least for me its not since I'm super OCD about bag appeal. Though I have to be totally transparent here, I'm moving away from normal pheno fruit bodies towards more Melmak like expressions because I'd rather give a solid clean treatment to a few fruits vs several hundred like with my TAT tubs...
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Melliferous] 1
#27307452 - 05/13/21 07:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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A good Melmac canopy will come down in a few moments very clean with some smooth e-kinfe action. It's heavenly...
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Failboat]
#27307454 - 05/13/21 07:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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e-knife? this fuckin guy got lazers over here.
I've got some melmak tp on agar I'm about to take to LC so excite.
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: sandman420]
#27307568 - 05/13/21 10:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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What's melmac tp exactly? I seen it mentioned a few times. How is it different?
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Failboat]
#27307594 - 05/13/21 10:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stands for thick penis I think.. theys extra big
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: fahtster]
#27307881 - 05/14/21 05:49 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Any Melmak swab should do imho so I wouldn't worry too much about getting a 118 or TP swab as you'll have all sorts of phenotypes on display when you grow out from MS.
The phenotype I have wasn't even there when I cloned some tissue but showed up in the resulting culture. It was a very moment.
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: starbones]
#27308133 - 05/14/21 09:47 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I did streak some plates with my own swabs, but at this point I may have taken plate pin clones from those genes so the new Melmac cultures I'm running may or may not be so variegated.
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Failboat]
#27309620 - 05/15/21 09:40 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Since you guys seem to think Melmac do better in bags, I was wondering what I should do different with shoeboxes or a 66qt to achieve a similar effect. Assuming I use a thick sub, would shoeboxes be better because of the more choked atmosphere? Do you think the beneficial aspects of bags happen mainly during the colonization or fruiting? Thanks all.
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Seems to do fine in tubs
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I run unmodified tubs which achieve 8oz yields from healthy canopies. Clean spawn and dialed in sub prep is what you should focus on, not what kind of vessel to put all that into. Use what you have if need be.
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Failboat]
#27310118 - 05/15/21 05:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ordered 100 XLS-B bags just for Melmac, it seems to be fairly CO2 tolerant which is good.
Figure the bags can get two uses, wondering if I could toss a load of used bags in the washing machine with some bleach and let er rip to clean them, probably not.
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: starbones]
#27310266 - 05/15/21 07:21 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've reused my XLS-B bags. Sometimes without even spraying em out. If they get too filthy with spores etc its just too much work. Haven't thought about running them through the dishwasher though. That's a nifty idea.
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Oh I figure if one goes moldy it'll need washing for sure. I can get larger bags cheaper and they're 4 mil but the problem is I can't see if they're ideal until I get them. I ordered some HUGE bags before without filters that were PP but the thickness was only 2 mil and because of the size they just kept collapsing.
The big 4 mil ones are polyethylene and are 12x8x24", the thickness seems like they could stand on their own but I can't know until I have them so it's a risk. 250 of the huge bastards for what I pay for 100 of the XLS-B.
I've started some Mac bags to see how my culture performs, hoping for good things.
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: starbones]
#27310327 - 05/15/21 07:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I got some 1mil polyethylene bags w/o filters and I have to paperclip them to stay up. Uline has a lot of bag options, but if you want a filter patch you'll have to use micropore or something. My mak didn't like the new bags.
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Yeah with my old big giant bags I didn't need a filter and clipped them up but it became just too much work when trying to juggle 100 bags. The XLS-B's will be fine to stand on their own and I might take a swing at those 4 mil polethylene.
What happened to your mak in the new bags?
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: starbones]
#27310367 - 05/15/21 08:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well it was an MS run so it could have been bad genetics, but I was getting squishy soft fruits and awful pinsets compared to the xls runs. I figured enough fae could simply permeate the 1mil polyethylene, but there wasn't enough water evaporating from the sub so it was probably just too damp.
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