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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Inocuole]
    #26950656 - 09/23/20 10:20 AM (3 months, 29 days ago)

Has anyone ever looked at a famous vendors ape to see if it is live culture or spores? All the threads about ape say swabs produce non ape fruit which leads you to believe it is an ubstable line being reproduced via LC. Josex and mushroomnate have talked at great lengths about this.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: JHOVA]
    #26950682 - 09/23/20 10:45 AM (3 months, 29 days ago)

I have looked at my APE syringe from a vendor under a scope, yes. there were spores.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: trubblesome]
    #26950758 - 09/23/20 11:25 AM (3 months, 29 days ago)

Not a single APE swab from the bunch I've had over the years ever produced APE fruits, but it never crossed my mind it was because of an unstable line being reproduced via LC, that's a little too far-fetched I think.
It was because albino fruits also produce non-albino spores and the chances of a swab having non-albino spores are great.

How does this vendor manage to collect only the albino spores? Kinda beats me, although I've heard a plausible theory about it.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Josex]
    #26950958 - 09/23/20 02:03 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

But the white clouds in the syringe clearly look like a live culture and not spores. Spores are dark purple or clear for albino species right?


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: JHOVA]
    #26950975 - 09/23/20 02:14 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

Think about salt or sugar.  They are transparent, but in a pile appear white. Same concept with transparent spores


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: JHOVA]
    #26950988 - 09/23/20 02:23 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

If they were live cultures it wouldn't have taken +10 days to germ like they did in my case. This vendor sells spores for microscopy use only, so I don't think they'd gladly put their ass on the line by selling live cultures, considering there are lots of people who actually put the solution under a scope. :nerd:


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Josex]
    #26951048 - 09/23/20 03:04 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

How do you isolate only albino spores?


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: JHOVA]
    #26951160 - 09/23/20 04:20 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

I apologize for going way off topic, seems to be my thing lately but fuckit.

This is from journal land:

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The shitter is your best thinking cap. Here's a theory. APE fruits produce the occasional non-albino spores. There is way more albino spores on the gills than rogue ones. These non-albino spores are far less stubborn to germinate than the albino ones, so even though there are far less rogue spores on the swab there's a really good chance they'll take over the plate way before the albino spores can germinate.

But then, why spore solution always produce actual APE fruits? I think that might have something to do with the way the syringes are made and that centrifuge thingy. My guess is that albino spores are heavier and will precipitate, excluding the rogue ones along with mold spores and shit.

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24186096#24186096




Now some shit I grew that came from APE swabs:


Spores courtesy of Mtez44




Swab courtesy of natedawgnow



Can't remember who gifted me this swab, sorry.


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Can someone please enlighten me. If most caps of ape and PE don’t print and most don’t I’ve tried, them how in the hell do they make these syringes. This is ape BTW




They desiccate dry the fruits in as clean of conditions as possible. Then the caps are crushed and gill fragments collected. They are then put into solution, where the large chunks are filtered out. Then the solution is spun in a centrifuge to separate the heavy cubes spores from the lighter mold spores and bacteria rods. This forms a pellet that can be separated.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26875283#26875283


APE swabs are lots of fun. :awesomenod:


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Josex]
    #26951343 - 09/23/20 05:43 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

Thanks josex and sorry for going off topic OP :hatsoff:


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: JHOVA]
    #26951614 - 09/23/20 08:20 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

Damn those first pics of the albino reverts are beautiful.

Did all those swab grows still have high potency?


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: A.k.a]
    #26951661 - 09/23/20 08:44 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

I haven't had this issue with APE but I grew mine out from a friends culture plate and been cloning it since then.

By the way if you dont case Melmac they are just squigly mushroom with small caps IME


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26959670 - 09/29/20 04:46 AM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: rooted]
    #26973594 - 10/07/20 12:39 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Thank you OneOfUs for the swab. First run of Melmak. So slow. Spawned on 8/29. Noticed knots around 9/25, first pins on 9/30. And here we are a week later:



What are you guys/gals seeing on a timeline with these? I’m used to seeing pins about 10+ days from spawn and harvest about a week later ime with other cube varieties. This has just been excruciating, but probably because it’s the only tub I have going.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Tankie_J]
    #26973692 - 10/07/20 01:58 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Wow.  My melmak, I spawned on 9/1, and I've harvested two flushes since then.  It pinned within a week.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Inocuole]
    #26973756 - 10/07/20 02:37 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

sorry for being a dweeb, but what is melmac?


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: seand04]
    #26973891 - 10/07/20 03:56 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Mine took a few days longer than normal to pin and then the pins took a few days longer than normal to mature.

Melmak is the original PE genetic line that was lost until a couple years ago somebody found old spores and revived it.

It’s usually much larger than the more common Sp^*##%~ks  version.

Sp*+€^rks PE


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    #26973903 - 10/07/20 04:02 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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Mine took a few days longer than normal to pin and then the pins took a few days longer than normal to mature.

Melmak is the original PE genetic line that was lost until a couple years ago somebody found old spores and revived it.

It’s usually much larger than the more common SW version.

Sp%^*#+ks PE


Melmak




oh shit PE is my favorite.  Gotta get me some melmac. Gonna have to ask the marketplace


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: seand04]
    #26974043 - 10/07/20 05:31 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Oh shit I didn’t realize we can’t call it that.

Ive seen them referred to as “swpe” and “homestead PE”.


Anyway here’s the progression of my only Melmak grow with the PE pheno.



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    #26974046 - 10/07/20 05:32 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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Oh shit I didn’t realize we can’t call it that.

Ive seen them referred to as “swpe” and “homestead PE”.


Anyway here’s the progression of my only Melmak grow with the PE pheno.





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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: A.k.a]
    #26974531 - 10/07/20 11:02 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

OK, thanks for the input. Could be a handful of things then. They are growing and only getting bigger each day, so that’s always a good thing. Update in a few


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