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Sporeless B+, the start of something interesting? 1
#26658569 - 05/08/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So this morning picking fruits, I had a thought cross my mind regarding how some people collect brown spore prints, albino species, the difference between albino/clear spores, brown spores, regular spores, and thinking about how I've harvested hundreds of fruits from various strains and never seen an irregularity...Then I got to thinking about how that's probably because I don't take many prints....Anyway, I lay my fruits on my table to start cutting bottoms off, and boom, I see a white gilled baby!
These were pulled from a B+ tub that was spawned with 4 quarts of corn that was grain to grained from a jar of B+ LC that I made.
After noticing the irregular fruit, I placed it in a ziplock bag and put it in my fridge for the day. I cooked up some quarts of corn, and 2 quarts with 500ml of LC, 1 with 1/2 tbsp of honey, 1 with 1/2 tbsp of karo (yes, very plain, it's what has worked for me in the past and what I had on hand). I've previously cloned fruits on grain, using sterile procedure and simply cutting open the inner stem, cracking jars open slightly, and dropping in bits. I did this for 6 quarts of corn with pieces of this fruit.
I looped the gills of this fruit, I was unable to take pictures at 90x, but I uploaded 60x and 30x pictures. At 90x I was not able to see any light colored spores, so I believe the fruit is not just lightly spored, I believe it's either clear spores, or sporeless.
I'll update here as the jars and LC colonizes. Any input from other members would be great. Currently the fruit is dehydrating. I did not get pictures of the inner stem because I do not typically take out my phone in the area I handle grains/genetics. It bruised as my B+ typically does, as did parts of the cap.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed] 2
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: mushhead]
#26668696 - 05/13/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Got growth on the clone jars! This one's looking great. I'm very hopeful for these jars, no contams and it's been 4 days or so now, this pic is from yesterday. Also when harvesting more fruits from the tub this one had come from, I found another fruit that appears half albino/sporeless.
 Seems interesting. I do see spores on this fruit, but it appears on the edges, and almost the entire gill at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock, had no spores. The top of this cap was fairly light as well.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
#26668743 - 05/13/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Noob question, what is on those agar plates? ive never gotten streaks quite like that to fill a plate, very interesting!
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: huangdeez] 2
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huangdeez said: Noob question, what is on those agar plates? ive never gotten streaks quite like that to fill a plate, very interesting!
 Those are gills under a microscope
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: poisoned]
#26668760 - 05/13/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Heh I wish that was agar, that'd be wild!
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: poisoned] 3
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Wolfenstein]
#26670454 - 05/14/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seriously this could be the beginning of Albino B+ (AB+) I think thats also a blood type?
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: mushhead] 1
#26670475 - 05/14/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it has way too much color to be Lucy or albino.
Probably just sporeless.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: A.k.a]
#26670870 - 05/14/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: I think it has way too much color to be Lucy or albino.
Probably just sporeless.
Idk much about this stuff though.
Yea, but who knows! I'm not too educated in this stuff either I'll admit, I never read too much into albinoism. Sporeless alone would make it worth the cloning though imo!
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
#26670944 - 05/14/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just scoped the jars again (so hard not to just sit and stare all day...) they're movin' along...7 days since inoculation, no nasties so think I'm in the clear there, I had one jar that has growth poking through onto the top kernels of corn, so rolled some more grains on top. The LC's look alright, should have put some glass in there with them, I had to shake the HELL out of them to try to break up the growth on the flesh I put in. I'm hoping in the next few days I can noc up some jars with some LC, just gotta let it recover! Maybe Sunday!
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed] 1
#26688463 - 05/22/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So little update, the jars are coming along pretty well! Some are about 90% colonized, I think I'll be able to spawn a tub next week! Other jars had to be shaken, I took some pics of some great looking myc in some of the jars preshake. Looks quite a bit like agar!
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: X-Ray Cat]
#26697960 - 05/26/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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4 quarts of grain is being spawned to a 60-70/40-30 mix of coir:manure, my experience with this will mean fruiting conditions in 8-10 days! Hopefully fruits in 13-15, we'll see how this turns out
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed] 1
#26697997 - 05/26/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I’d say sporeless over albino. The fruit still has pigment. Still cool. Hope that your new grows show the sporeless.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: eatyualive] 1
#26727186 - 06/07/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Got knots starting to form!


Based on past grows with B+ I'm guessing I'll have open caps within the next 4-5 days... Fingers crossed there's no spores, then I'll be cloning a large fruit, and most likely fast tracking clones of clones of clones etc... by using tuperware containers and single quarts of WBS or corn since I'm not an agar kind of guy.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
#26727238 - 06/07/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you get mature shrooms five days from now you need to slant that culture.
What’s the new one in your signature?? The cap color looks cool with the spores.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: A.k.a]
#26727252 - 06/07/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ill do it for him out of generosity to keep the ball rolling here.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: A.k.a]
#26727619 - 06/07/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: If you get mature shrooms five days from now you need to slant that culture.
What’s the new one in your signature?? The cap color looks cool with the spores.
Usually 5 days after knots is pretty average I feel? Maybe I'm just not paying attention and I'm off a few days :P
That's another B+ from a clone, that's a 5th flush monster from a plain coir tub. I did notice that a lot of those were pretty light color on the 4th and 5th flushes, but I've never taken clones from late flushes, didn't want to risk having less than ideal genetics so just tossed 'em on the dehydrator after harvesting.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
#26728119 - 06/08/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Got growth on the clone jars! This one's looking great. I'm very hopeful for these jars, no contams and it's been 4 days or so now, this pic is from yesterday. Also when harvesting more fruits from the tub this one had come from, I found another fruit that appears half albino/sporeless.
 Seems interesting. I do see spores on this fruit, but it appears on the edges, and almost the entire gill at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock, had no spores. The top of this cap was fairly light as well.
Well what's the update? In the picture here it just looks like a deformed cap.
Any luck with the albino? Or is it clear spores instead of sporeless?
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26728685 - 06/08/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Well what's the update? In the picture here it just looks like a deformed cap.
Any luck with the albino? Or is it clear spores instead of sporeless?
Update was posted yesterday, tub made with the jars is fully colonized and knotting. I have several jars of the original clone material, as well as several jars that were G2G'd from those jars. Hoping to know if the clone material came out sporeless in the next 4-6 days or so. Pretty much took a month from clone>fruits! Wish it could be faster for ya bud :P
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
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Got some fruit bodies today! Highlighted them on the pic. I'm guessing these will abort, I tend to get quite a few aborts regardless of conditions, but who knows, maybe in another day or two I'll get to check some gills!
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
#26729690 - 06/08/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Albinos are cool, but B+ was rather mediocre IME/O... polishing a terd makes it no less a terd
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Caps McGee] 1
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Caps McGee said: Albinos are cool, but B+ was rather mediocre IME/O... polishing a terd makes it no less a terd
B+ is a wonderful variety and this saddens me to read  Be nice to B+
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: mushhead] 1
#26729787 - 06/08/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was not impressed with the genetics I bought when I started... decent yield, decent potency: NOT spectacular in any sense... genetic variance is real though, you might have some good shiz
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Caps McGee]
#26729837 - 06/08/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd be delighted to send you a print with some genetics that would knock your socks off.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: mushhead]
#26729850 - 06/08/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have far too much going on for other projects, but thank you, sincerely
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Caps McGee]
#26729854 - 06/08/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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anytime mate, toss me a message when you've got space because I have some pretty seriously strong B+ cubes that would change that mind of yours.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: mushhead]
#26730504 - 06/09/20 03:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: I was not impressed with the genetics I bought when I started... decent yield, decent potency: NOT spectacular in any sense... genetic variance is real though, you might have some good shiz
That's what's cool about B+ tho. They will produce reliably and you can get a shit ton of different clones running from one plate. I just find them a bit slow to colonise, but I might be unlucky with it in this area.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Caps McGee]
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Caps McGee said: Albinos are cool, but B+ was rather mediocre IME/O... polishing a terd makes it no less a terd
B+ my friend, Be Positive!
I've had some great experiences with this genetic line already, 2 grams had a friend of mine flying, and I personally had a fantastic time on 1.5g. We're not all looking to blast off and become inner astronauts, otherwise I wouldn't be bothering with cubes I'd be working on some exotics or a chem degree 
Alright back on topic, who's got votes on if these will come up sporeless or if it's just going to be another random clone line? Got some caps forming this morning, still hoping that I get some open caps in 3-4 days...But we'll see how that goes!
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
#26736785 - 06/11/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So got pins all over the substrate, more knots forming, but I think I'm looking at another 2-3 days for a fruit to open up instead of the 1 more day like I was hoping
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Damn fruits are going slow, of course! Other tub of B+ isolate/clone was opened 3 days later than this one, already has clusters opened up!
Think these will be open tomorrow, the anticipation is building!!
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
#26746177 - 06/15/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very nice! Keep us posted please
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Wolfenstein] 2
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Looking like success! This morning saw 2 caps about to be open, this one was the first to have the veil tear and I see no spores Going to be plucking the other shortly. This fruit was ~55g wet too. Going to be doing another clone from this flush tomorrow or this evening to make sure I can keep the trait going, I'm going to aim for either a large fruit, or look for a fruit with a lighter cap and try to aim for an eventual albino-esque looking fruit.

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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed] 1
#26746630 - 06/15/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sweet!
You should let some mature til the cap curls up though, sometimes they don’t make spores til way late. Pretty sure b+ usually does them early so I think you’re good but you never know.
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#26746746 - 06/15/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like to harvest just before the caps are flat: otherwise you're giving the impression you're pushing for quantity over quality... you're really not gaining much weight after this point as the caps will begin to thin as they expand and fold over
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Caps McGee]
#26746792 - 06/15/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Specifically we're just seeing if it spores. Seems sporeless right now but perhaps could it not sporeulate at a different time? I would even attempt to take a spore print just in case.
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These are nowhere near mature enough to sporelate... calling them sporeless at this point is like sexing the baby before she's pregnant
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Caps McGee]
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Caps McGee said: These are nowhere near mature enough to sporelate... calling them sporeless at this point is like sexing the baby before she's pregnant
most my fruits if I harvest them before the veils tear still have spores on the gills for other strains....
I let some mature a lot overnight, some of the caps split even. No spores. I put some of the caps from yesterday (picked some flatter ones in the evening) on foil overnight, nothing.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed] 1
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It's not common, and if you're seeing it often, it's likely an indication of contamination: stress fruiting substrates will speed to maturity running away from bacteria and competitor molds, and dump spores asap to ensure future survival...
You've tried other varieties, a strain is a single set of genetics derived from many, many, MANY isolating transfers... even a clone culture from a single fruit will still contain thousands of individual strains...
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Caps McGee]
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Caps McGee said: It's not common, and if you're seeing it often, it's likely an indication of contamination: stress fruiting substrates will speed to maturity running away from bacteria and competitor molds, and dump spores asap to ensure future survival...
You've tried other varieties, a strain is a single set of genetics derived from many, many, MANY isolating transfers... even a clone culture from a single fruit will still contain thousands of individual strains...
Okay...Did you not see the start of the thread? This was a cloned fruit put to grain then g2g'd and spawned, and now it's producing fruits, this isn't a case of fruits not sporing due to contamination, stress, mold, and neither are my other fruits in other substrates that put out normal spores. I get 5th flush fruits that have spores on caps that are just starting to open same as first flush.
Pardon my choice in words, I grow other varieties of plants and those get referred to as strains. That said, would this be a strain since it's a clone of a fruit? Or are fruits genetically diverse throughout as well, meaning we would never be able to isolate strains just from cloning fruits? Regardless, I guess I got lucky and ended up with a feature that I aimed for showing up in my fruits even with genetic diversity in the cloned fruiting body!
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With mushrooms you’d have to isolate down to one set of genetics to have a strain.
Clones have a bunch of strains in them but much less than you’d have if you started from spores.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: A.k.a]
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What flush did this bad boy come from? Looks great! Good work!
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: T666NY]
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Clones have a bunch of strains in them but much less than you’d have if you started from spores.
Basically mushrooms are weird as shit.
Yea, I've read that to get a feature to be prominent in spores it needs to be cloned 7x from fruits. I plan to clone fruits from this batch regardless of the lack of apparent spores, try to isolate a mid sized fruit trait along with the sporelessness.
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The original clone material was first flush, the fruits that I posted in the last day or so are from first flush as well.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
#26749668 - 06/16/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you sure you’re not thinking of a variety/trait is considered stable after seven generations from spore?
It’s been a while since I read the rusty white thread I need to brush up on my mushroom genealogy.
I never thought about it but sporeless stuff must have a clock on it since you can’t start over with spores and just have to keep expanding to keep it going.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: A.k.a]
#26749679 - 06/16/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Are you sure you’re not thinking of a variety/trait is considered stable after seven generations from spore?
It’s been a while since I read the rusty white thread I need to brush up on my mushroom genealogy.
Hmm I really couldn't tell you haha, I think it makes more sense that it'd be 7 generations of clone, but it might be clone>ms>clone>ms selecting traits 7x? But could also just be ms>ms>ms>ms selecting a certain trait each time? I dunno I'm just a hobby mycologist, I'd also have to do some learnin' to confirm!
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
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Spore>grow>clone>grow>spore is the method I think
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: A.k.a]
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Yea, both make sense in my head but I think going to spore each time and selecting the traits would make more sense since you're letting a bit of drift occurre then selecting specific parts of the drift.
Sucks these won't be able to do that since they're not making spores...As far as I can tell at least! I might need to get access to a desktop microscope and check gills...
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
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Look sporeless to me. Cool make some slants of that variety.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Sockadin]
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I gotta get test toobs, I've got agar sittin' in storage...
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed] 1
#26750013 - 06/16/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey man you did microscope work earlier. Can you drop a cap on a slide and after 10-20 mins hit it with a dye to see if it is sporeless or clear spores?
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26751120 - 06/17/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I read the beginning yes: still not dealing with individual strains broseefus... I postulate that even a seemingly monostrain culture is subject to random genetic mutation and displaying/unpacking new sectors after several transfers of no sectoring at all... if you've never seen sectors, its bc you've got a LONG way to go... Its VERY difficult, I'd argue IMPOSSIBLE to isolate a single strain without proper equipment and spore segregation ... wasnt trying to step on your toes or frazzled you, just giving you the proper terminology to use so everyone knows what your dealing with Push them further just to be sure... you can clone clones and isolate in this fashion as well... requires stellar technique not to lose it, but always keep a cold stored master of the last known/desired performer
If it drops clear spores, it'd likely be full albino
It is possible for 2 biopsies from the same fruit to perform differently, ie giving me the impression that they're different genetics
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Sockadin]
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Sockadin said: Hey man you did microscope work earlier. Can you drop a cap on a slide and after 10-20 mins hit it with a dye to see if it is sporeless or clear spores?
Unfortunately that wasn't a microscope it was just my 60-90x loupe that I use for scoping my weed trichomes I might have access to a lab table microscope, just need to talk to some people and see if I can borrow one.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
#26754026 - 06/18/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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 These look crazy dry, caps lighten up a bit, gills and caps bruise blue as they dry. Givin' em a bioassay this weekend!
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#26754591 - 06/18/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude is always somewhere hating.. This is a cool ass thread Justweed. Sporeless shrooms are cool asf. I like to let them overgrow because I think they look cool with the gills all out n shit. Your fruits look good my friend
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#26754733 - 06/18/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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If they're growing fungus, they are not dry enough: period...
I dont have room in my heart for hatred... I'm spreading knowledge and fighting misinformation brotato, if it rubs against your preconceptions, your sources are likely outdated... I apologize if I've come across insulting, all my posts are heart driven and come from a place of love sporeless shrooms ARE cool af: I merely suggest running proper tests to make sure it's just not a late dumper... it happens a lot with B+ specifically... but, take it how you shall... they have colored caps so if it doesnt produce them when given ample time to do so, then they're indeed sporeless, not albino as the title of the thread suggests... sporeless are cool, but they must be kept clean for obvious reasons; no way to propagate from spore print... I suggest a culture in cold storage, either a slant changed every 6 months, or a plate every 3 months...
Sorry if I'm too direct for your tastes, or if I'm a stickler for proper content and etiquette... thus is a place of scientific study, not of egocentricity, I could care less about being right, and rather only want to spread proper information... calling varieties strains is a common occurence, but it's still incorrect terminology: everytime... I dont correct to put some sort if feather in my hat, and it's of no consequence to me or my grows if anyone listens to a word I type... I regularly read into the subject and have been doing so for a few years now: I run a successful gourmet farm fulltime, and I like helping others grow mushrooms to the best of their ability... that's why I'm here, not to hold hands and support misconception
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Caps McGee]
#26754753 - 06/18/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some of those in the dry handful look turnt up enough to have sporelated, but may have curled up with dehydration... you're doing the wifi thing or something? Or is that someone else entirely?
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Caps McGee]
#26754916 - 06/18/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: If they're growing fungus, they are not dry enough: period...
Hm? I don't have anything growin' fungus except my tubs and I don't want those to be dry :P
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Caps McGee said: Some of those in the dry handful look turnt up enough to have sporelated, but may have curled up with dehydration... you're doing the wifi thing or something? Or is that someone else entirely?
These were plenty plenty matured, caps turned up, and some caps even split. I even left a baby on the sub for the last 2 days and it opened up completely, flipped up, no spores.
I need to work on agar stuff, I have not done much with agar and I don't have a good air box or a flowhood and I'm pretty lazy when it comes to crafting...
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
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Just ordered a nice little table top microscope so I can check some gills! Also 2nd flush is coming in, about as regular as a normal B+ flush with me, we'll see if we get spores on those ones or if it's just a first flush trait...Fingers crossed right?
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Okay so, got my tabletop microscope!
There are some spores on these! I think that's a better observation than having 0 spores. That means I can take a swab, grow, swab, grow, etc and hopefully get extreme low spore count as a heritable trait!
Here's some images of the gills at various magnification.
     
Also, here's images from a regular B+ gill.



With these images, yes there are spores, but I'm not sure if even a swab would be viable. Any input from anyone?
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Justweed]
#26785561 - 06/26/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That few spores would be as close to sporeless as I would want. Grows that wont make a mess if forgotten but you can still get spores to reproduce long term.
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Re: Albino B+, the start of something interesting? [Re: Smartattack]
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Smartattack said: That few spores would be as close to sporeless as I would want. Grows that wont make a mess if forgotten but you can still get spores to reproduce long term. 
Eeeexactly. Definitely a good 'set and forget' strain option! I'm hoping to set up an automatic air system when I have some free time, can get some tubs set up that I can just ignore, occasionally look at, then harvest!
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