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PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution?
    #26657987 - 05/08/20 05:37 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone substitute sawdust for vermiculite and use it on cubenis grows?

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Do a 'search posts' using the link at the top of the page and search my name and 'pf tek'.  I've fruited several species on pf cakes.  Shiitake does well on pf cakes if you substitute sawdust for the verm.  Use the same exact recipe, just make the sawdust substitution.
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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26658053 - 05/08/20 06:10 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

For what purpose? Lack of vermiculite?

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: ModularMind]
    #26658062 - 05/08/20 06:12 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

For one, to see if its possible (Experimentation). For two, because Ive seen a thread in Mushroom ID and Hunting where a IDer grew cubenis outdoors on woodchips. So I am pretty sure it will work and may have some kind of benefit over vermiculite.

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26658072 - 05/08/20 06:18 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Hmm

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: ModularMind] * 1
    #26658085 - 05/08/20 06:25 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah it will work. I think your better with leaf mulch vs saw dust. But if you mean using pelletized wood that expand with water. Should be good. But you still need vermiculite for the dry filter barrier because verm is not nutrious as wood is.

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26658090 - 05/08/20 06:26 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Good point! RR did not mention that detail.

Im gonna order some fine sawdust next week and try it out.

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26658110 - 05/08/20 06:35 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I would try smoking wood pellets.( I mean the ones used for smoking, do not light them on fire) Water them down let them expand and then mix with BRF. Here's the rub, who knows how much water to use because 2/1/1 isn't going to apply.

I don't know how well cube like wood, but those tubs that didn't mold out on my of oak mulch and pine mulch as a substrate did fully colonize the sub and produce.

I need to update the covid experiment thread. I have some PEU producing on oak mulch with a jiffy casing layer.

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26658118 - 05/08/20 06:37 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, So mix wood pellets with BRF mixture? Thatd be interesting.

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    #26658125 - 05/08/20 06:39 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah you could do wood pellets add rice flower and then add water till you get field capacity.  But you still need verm for a filter unless you do Cron's PP5 with ships.

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26658130 - 05/08/20 06:41 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Cool! Great idea, thanks man :thumbup:

My idea is to make a substrate that can work on both edibles and cubenis.

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: ModularMind]
    #26658189 - 05/08/20 07:02 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting.

Looks like a 60/40 BRF-Sawdust blend will be my best bet :strokebeard:

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    #26658208 - 05/08/20 07:09 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I’ve always seen verm as helping avoid compaction along with retaining moisture.
Sawdust and brf alone sounds like it would be difficult to avoid compaction.
It’s just cakes though. Try it.

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: ModularMind]
    #26658215 - 05/08/20 07:11 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Definitely gonna try it. I wonder if theres a "golden ratio" of sawdust to PF mixture. My guess is 60/40 PF Mix to Sawdust

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26658395 - 05/08/20 08:19 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah it will work. I think your better with leaf mulch vs saw dust. But if you mean using pelletized wood that expand with water. Should be good. But you still need vermiculite for the dry filter barrier because verm is not nutrious as wood is.





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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: mushpunx]
    #26658400 - 05/08/20 08:20 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I found a shroomery sponsor with birch wood dowel pins. Looks like my best bet.

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26658410 - 05/08/20 08:22 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

No dowel pins! They are hard and used for wood lovers dowel incoulate.

You want wood pellets from Lowe's or home Depot.

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26658413 - 05/08/20 08:23 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Oh shit, I thought the were the same thing. Time for more research.....

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Re: PF Tek: Sawdust Substitution? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26658688 - 05/08/20 10:29 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

something something you have to sterilize when you supplement something something words fuck handful of mushrooms


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