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    #26656150 - 05/07/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Often times chaos is portrayed as "evil" or pertaining to realms of darkness while order relates to "good", the realm of peace, tranquility and light.

Are these perspectives inherently valuable or do they hinder our understanding of reality?

In a scientific outlook, we know that while the atomic world may appear to be a maelstrom of chaotic energy, there is actually a profound balance in the interplay of electrons and protons, or atomic energy. The traditional outlook of chaos being evil and order being peaceful no longer holds weight in this microscopic viewpoint.

As electrons exist as both a waveform and a particle, they represent probability. We can not know exactly where an electron will appear, but we do know where it is likely to appear. Yet again, there is a limitless, formless wave in which the particle, structure, exists simultaneously. Therefore, chaos and order are not separate but are inherently one and the same, as the structure of particulate matter occurs within the formless wave pattern of probability.

Is it merely the childish delusions of an infant race to prescribe ethical values to chaos and order as if one is separate from the other?


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Re: Chaos and Order [Re: Chakra Shock] * 2
    #26656912 - 05/08/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Hmm...Can you accept that value is placed on childish nature?

(Obviously I assume you think childish delusion is a negative state)

When everything is known and catalogued perhaps the value of childish delusions become apparent.

Consider for example the threat of earthworms on our great Eastern forests link Now you know, and perhaps a delusionary state existing before that knowledge is of value.


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Re: Chaos and Order [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26657344 - 05/08/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, often times the wisdom of one person is denounced as the childish delusion of another, however this is not my intention.

I just think that if we prescribe extreme perspectives on the fundamental forces of nature then we will limit our understanding.

Throughout history, the ideas of chaos and order have been used to justify all kinds of philosophies and religions which, often times, can lead extremists down a terrible path. I think that there is an ethical purpose in reconstructing our understanding of chaos and order so as to avoid granting power to one over the other: to dwell in the center of all things.

Atomic physics reinforces the understanding that chaos and order exist not just as two halves of the coin, but quite literally simultaneously in the same place and time.


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Re: Chaos and Order [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26657368 - 05/08/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Buster_Brown said:
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childish delusions




Hmm...Can you accept that value is placed on childish nature?

(Obviously I assume you think childish delusion is a negative state)

When everything is known and catalogued perhaps the value of childish delusions become apparent.




I also appreciate this idea a lot, childish nature is certainly a valuable thing. Delusion, however, is the precursor to enlightenment, so I value disillusionment over delusion any day of the week.

Ima check out those earthworms tho, thanks for the link


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    #26657963 - 05/08/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Surely a case supporting the value of delusion is in it's prevalent condition. If it were not a valuable state for an enlightened person to exist in it would not itself exist. This suggests a class division and advantages that can be taken, but perhaps ignorance & delusion truly is a blissful state even if one must be a little enlightened to appreciate  the value of it.


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Re: Chaos and Order [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #26673342 - 05/15/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quantum Physics is some far out ideas. Like where one particle affects another particle miles away due to entanglement. Its so crazy. Its both Logical and Chaotic/Bizarre. I just dont know what to make of such strange observations.


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