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How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? * 1
    #26657327 - 05/08/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm going to make my first cactus tea soon, and start with a basic tek. But I'm just seeing all kinds of variations that explode into controversy and then open into full on chemists going crazy with all kinds of advanced language I don't understand, around what should be a very simple process.

I apologize in advance if I just don't know how to use this site. It's well set up for mushroom teks; there's that get started section, with that handy flowchart. Awesome. Thanks folks.

It seems if we want to get this sacred medicine out to more of those who need it, there must be a way to organize and rate the teks. Maybe have people to be allowed to rate a tek if they have followed it (sort of like if you could only rate on amazon if you had actually bought the product). Then somehow have the ratings averaged out. I don't know. I'm just having a hard time.

Collect and organize the controversial points: to skin or not to skin? Remove the core? Etc.

Maybe organize that into some kind of flow chart that could evolve with time... I don't know. Just seem to be spending a lot of time searching and reading, and I haven't even harvested yet...


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: superreggie]
    #26657345 - 05/08/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There are extraction teks on dmt-nexus and probably on here


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: sk8fast]
    #26657420 - 05/08/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah but they are all over the place, and it's very difficult to figure out what is the most tried and true. The most recent isn't necessarily the most effective. And there's all kinds of people who have tried them with out a systematic way to verify the efficacy. I'm just saying that there must be a way to... streamline.


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: superreggie]
    #26657542 - 05/08/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

don’t remember the exact tek, but when i made cactus tea i despined & skinned my cactus. i’ve heard leaving the skin on makes the tea way grosser, & if you are blending it you definitely want to take the skin off. i froze my sliced cactus for a day or so to (allegedly) burst the cell walls & help the mescaline & alkaloids release in the tea. i didn’t remove the core of my cactus. i figured the more potential actives the better. i forget if i just simmered or did a full on boil, but i strained the shit out of all my cactus material & did pulls until the cactus flesh was no longer bitter. boiled that down. it worked


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #26657607 - 05/08/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The most effective and easiest method (other than straight up eating it) is to make a tea. This is the way people have consumed cactus for thousands of years, and you get the full spectrum in terms of effects. The recipes in this site have never failed me in terms of result, and they’re very straightforward aand easy to follow:

http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/sanpedro.htm

I have always used the dried skin powder from peru. They’re impossible to filter unlike dried slices. Eventually I found that if I just leave the pot after each boil for 30 or so minutes, the sediment settles on the bottom. From there I would decant the liquid carefully into another pot, and add water into the sediment pot and boil again. I do that about 4 times. Just some advice for anyone that’s had this issue!


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: superreggie]
    #26657617 - 05/08/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Cactus is like mushrooms, where water is the best extraction medium so there is no need to overcomplicate things imo unless you want to for the sake of trying another method. Same with mushroom tea, in terms of straight up getting the best ratio of goodies from product, tea is far superior to alcohol extracts, and easier. Although it won’t last as long, unless you freeze it. I’ve frozen my cactus tea for  years. Still works ime.


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: Jimmy Sage]
    #26657620 - 05/08/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry hazy I didn’t mean to reply to you, to the OP!


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: Jimmy Sage]
    #26657746 - 05/08/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sorry hazy I didn’t mean to reply to you, to the OP!




lmao all good friend! i honestly don’t even really know what the reply function does to be honest lol, i don’t think i woulda even noticed if you hadn’t pointed it out.

i do agree about teas being the best way to do cactus. seems unnecessary to try to extract the mescaline salt, plus you lose the alkaloids from what i have read


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: superreggie] * 1
    #26657755 - 05/08/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So the first thing is Shroomery doesnt even have a Cacti Tek that I know of, at least not in the documents section. There should be one.

I find that Erowid has the best Teks in my opinion: https://erowid.org/plants/cacti/

https://erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_chemistry1.shtml


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26658326 - 05/08/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Tea
Reduce tea down to tar balls.
69ron food safe works well.

Try all 3 a few times and learn what is best for you and what you like.


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: Jimmy Sage]
    #26658566 - 05/08/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The most effective and easiest method (other than straight up eating it) is to make a tea.
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I have always used the dried skin powder from peru. They’re impossible to filter unlike dried slices. Eventually I found that if I just leave the pot after each boil for 30 or so minutes, the sediment settles on the bottom. From there I would decant the liquid carefully into another pot, and add water into the sediment pot and boil again. I do that about 4 times. Just some advice for anyone that’s had this issue!




Thanks--that goo is a real mess. So how long do you boil each time before the 30 minute rest?
Do you add anything like lemon, to the water as in the clearwhitelight link?
And to what degree do you thin the goop when starting?
Thanks for your help, the goo was ok for a small dose, but getting any quantity down past a pint was unimaginable. That powder sure is strange when added to water.


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26658634 - 05/08/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Jimmy Sage said:
The most effective and easiest method (other than straight up eating it) is to make a tea.
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I have always used the dried skin powder from peru. They’re impossible to filter unlike dried slices. Eventually I found that if I just leave the pot after each boil for 30 or so minutes, the sediment settles on the bottom. From there I would decant the liquid carefully into another pot, and add water into the sediment pot and boil again. I do that about 4 times. Just some advice for anyone that’s had this issue!




Thanks--that goo is a real mess. So how long do you boil each time before the 30 minute rest?
Do you add anything like lemon, to the water as in the clearwhitelight link?
And to what degree do you thin the goop when starting?
Thanks for your help, the goo was ok for a small dose, but getting any quantity down past a pint was unimaginable. That powder sure is strange when added to water.




I boil for approx 45 mins each time. I experimented with lemon and even vinegar but it made the final brew so nasty that I just stopped lol. I have not noticed any loss of effects. What do you mean thin the goop before starting?

Lol I know what you mean about the goop. This method was an absolute revelation after fucking up the tea so many times lol. All the tea teks out there talk about fresh cactus or dried slices... not powder. Last time I did 4 boils, and tbh it was probably overkill. Ime you get most of the goodies out by the 3rd ‘flush’, by the 4th the liquid was practically clear compared to the earlier ones. The shortest I’d done is 3 boils at 30 mins each. Worked out great! The only issue I’ve found with this method was that the higher the dose, the less you will be able to decant each flush because the sediment will not be as low in the pot. I tried 70 grams and it was almost double in height to the 30 gram teas I had made before, but by the end the liquid was clear so it’s just a little more meticulous to decant the tea without getting any goop into the other pot. Also 70 grams is a high dose, the only reason I did it is to share with someone.


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: Jimmy Sage]
    #26658675 - 05/08/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wow thanks. Will give it a go. Was a shame having powder & no way to use it.

"What do you mean thin the goop before starting?"
I meant: What proportion of powder to water do you start with? If its too thick it won't even blend before going in the pot. Do you just use the minimal amount water to get it to mix?
And do you need to boil down the final tea to reduce the volume of liquid?


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26659746 - 05/09/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ahh I see now. I use a ton of water in a large pot. The more the better. Otherwise it’s pointless since it won’t separate into distinct layers. And yes, I have to also boil down the liquid in the clean pot almost constantly on a high/med boil to keep up, so the clean pot should also be large. After doing 3 runs, I boil the clean tea down further, and sometimes even decant it into a new pot to filter it even further since sometimes it’s inevitable to get a little bit of goop into the pot. Although this is not really necessary since the final product is already quite clear if done right. Then ofc I boil the purified tea down to drinkable portions, about a cup’s worth. If you used a big pot to reduce the clean product as I do, I reduce it to a smaller amount and transfer it to a smaller pot with a smaller diameter to reduce it further sometimes. I’d brought it down to a shot’s worth in the past, but I found the experience and taste to be much better if I drink a cup slowly over 30 mins to an hour. Haven’t gotten any terrible nausea since doing it like this, the shot felt like it’s making a hole in my stomach lol. Don’t worry about the actives degrading too, the traditional Peruvian way calls for a constant boil in one pot for 48 hours+.


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: Jimmy Sage] * 1
    #26659962 - 05/09/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks so much again, for taking the time to answer all my questions. Now the whole procedure is clear. And It will make using powder possible for those of us whose living conditions preclude the use of extra chemicals, or those who simply wish to avoid them.


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Re: How do we centralize and organize Cactus Tek knowledge? [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #26659968 - 05/09/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Man I’am more than happy to help. I wish I had someone tell me this stuff when I was struggling with it so if I can help someone struggling now I’m satisfied. I‘m glad I posted my cactus powder tek just for the off chance someone was going thru the same thing! Best of luck.


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