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When to mist after dunking?
    #26657203 - 05/08/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey everyone!

I just dunked the substrate of a grow kit over last night and am wondering what's the best way to procede to keep good surface conditions.

My last grow had a lot of side and even bottom pins, so I guess the surface was drier (or drying out faster) than the sides and the bottom. I guess this is a difficult thing to avoid with these kits due to their design.

But maybe I can increase the amount of surface pins through keeping a better surface humidity?

Right now, the substrate is still wet from the dunk, but there's no glistening water droplets on the surface.

Am I right to assume that I should leave it alone to give it time to dry a little even if there aren't any water droplets?

Or is it better to start misting right away so that it looks similar to this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053

Ambient humidity in my house is around 45-50% and 20-23ºC

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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26657274 - 05/08/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

After the first flush you can kinda do whatever you want with it

Its hard to keep the surface better than the sides and bottom after a dunk

A lot of times i would dunk and then flip the sub afterword and leave the top dry so the bottom becomes my new top surface and just let it dry out and pin


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Enkidu]
    #26657289 - 05/08/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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After the first flush you can kinda do whatever you want with it

Its hard to keep the surface better than the sides and bottom after a dunk

A lot of times i would dunk and then flip the sub afterword and leave the top dry so the bottom becomes my new top surface and just let it dry out and pin




Thanks for your reply!

This was actually the initial dunk, not the one after the first flush, so I'm waiting for it to completely colonize and begin the first flush.


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26657296 - 05/08/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hmm, i dont have much experience with grow kits or hoe they function.

But i would wait at least a day or so before misting after a dunk.

Might have to settle for side pins


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Enkidu]
    #26657693 - 05/08/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Hmm, i dont have much experience with grow kits or hoe they function.

But i would wait at least a day or so before misting after a dunk.

Might have to settle for side pins




Yeah, you're probably right, because right now the substrate is still heavy and looks like it has enough water.

Damn, I really wish I could at least reduce the amount of side-pins. Last time, there were so many that it was messy to harvest, some of them were choking which I think could lead to rotting or at least aborts :S

Your method of flipping it over sounds useful, but in this case most of the vermiculite is on the surface and I think it's important that it's there to hold moisture. Also, since the sub isn't 100% colonized I don't want to mess too much with it, at least until next flush.

Do you think trying to keep a moist surface at all times could avoid excessive side-pinning or would that just lead to more water getting "trapped" on the sides and it's better to keep it generally drier? I hope this makes sense, don't know how to explain it better lol.


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26657771 - 05/08/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It might, you can try, just give the top time to evaporate too, so it isnt continually wet


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Enkidu]
    #26657801 - 05/08/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It might, you can try, just give the top time to evaporate too, so it isnt continually wet




Ok, thank you, will try that after letting it alone for some time :smile:

So, you don't think that keeping surface moisture "high" can result in more moisture building up between the substrate and the tub?

I don't know if I'm explaining myself well. What I mean is that, as far as I know, mushrooms pin where they have better conditions (more humidity, warmer, etc.), so it's reccomended to keep good surface conditions so they don't prefer the sides. But doesn't the mist eventually soak into the substrate? My concern is that this could actually lead to even better side conditions, but I'm probably overthinking it lol.


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26657901 - 05/08/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah overthinking it a bit

I wouldnt sweat it man

Sidepins arent the end of the world


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Enkidu]
    #26659237 - 05/09/20 04:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah overthinking it a bit

I wouldnt sweat it man

Sidepins arent the end of the world




Ok, thank you, I'll just let it do it's thing and keep an eye on the signs to see if it needs more humidity, more FAE, etc.


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26659592 - 05/09/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey!

Forgot to ask if fanning is needed before it begins fruiting.

The kit is in a grow bag that has a 4x4cm filter and the kit instructions said to fan a couple of times each day, but as far as I know there's no need for so much FAE before primordia formation, right?

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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26659606 - 05/09/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would argue that fanning is unneeded. With a proper functioning FC, fanning isnt doing anything better than the FC itself.


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26659661 - 05/09/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I would argue that fanning is unneeded. With a proper functioning FC, fanning isnt doing anything better than the FC itself.




That's what I thought too, thanks :smile:

This is the kit in the grow bag, don't know if that can be considered a proper functioning fruiting chamber lol



I think I won't open it too much until the vermiculite on top colonizes.


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26659826 - 05/09/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Its what I would consider the bare-minimal. U will get better performance inside a water-filled storage tote or SGFC.


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    #26659847 - 05/09/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Its what I would consider the bare-minimal. U will get better performance inside a water-filled storage tote or SGFC.




I may do that if I get a lot of side-pinning again and if I can find perlite with the lockdown. I know about SGFC but how would a water filled tote work?


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26659849 - 05/09/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If I dunk subs I usually don’t mist after that. If youre in the desert or a dry climate it may be necessary.


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26659859 - 05/09/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Its what I would consider the bare-minimal. U will get better performance inside a water-filled storage tote or SGFC.




I may do that if I get a lot of side-pinning again and if I can find perlite with the lockdown. I know about SGFC but how would a water filled tote work?




Mateah developed a version of the idea. Basically, the standing water humidifies the air of the tote from FAE from what I understand.

More about it here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26601054#26601054

Never used it but the concept sounds good and the whole concept is really simple :thumbup:


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    #26659913 - 05/09/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If I dunk subs I usually don’t mist after that. If youre in the desert or a dry climate it may be necessary.




Thanks for your reply. I think I won't mist until it looks like it needs it. Posted the question because grow kit instructions said to mist daily and that seemed too much right after a long dunk.

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Its what I would consider the bare-minimal. U will get better performance inside a water-filled storage tote or SGFC.




I may do that if I get a lot of side-pinning again and if I can find perlite with the lockdown. I know about SGFC but how would a water filled tote work?




Mateah developed a version of the idea. Basically, the standing water humidifies the air of the tote from FAE from what I understand.

More about it here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26601054#26601054

Never used it but the concept sounds good and the whole concept is really simple :thumbup:




Thanks for the link! Yeah, that seems very simple and actually similar to what some growshops reccomend (put a bit of water on the bottom of the grow bag).

For now, I'll leave it unmodified and see how it goes.

I've noticed something is starting to happen on the surface of one of the kits and I have a bad feeling about it, but maybe it's just regular mycelium. We will know sooner than later I guess :smile:


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26661940 - 05/10/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So, this is how it's looking right now. I haven't opened the bags too much during these days, just to take these pics and yesterday to spray the bag a bit.

Day 3, Mazatapec Kit:




I circled the parts where something is starting to happen, not sure if good or bad yet.



Day 3 Mckenaii:




I think I will wait some more days before misting the substrate and opening the bag. What do you think?

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    #26662080 - 05/10/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would only mist if it looks dry


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    #26662098 - 05/10/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I would only mist if it looks dry




Such a simple statement that summarizes the best way to do it!


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    #26662131 - 05/10/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lol yeah that makes sense, thanks.

The problem is it's the first time I have a substrate with vermiculite on top, so I don't exactly know how it looks when it's starting to dry. Probably more light-brown?

Do the circled spots look ok to you?


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    #26662167 - 05/10/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Those circle spots are mycelium poking up.

And yes, dry verm looks shinny and light colored. Wet perlite is darker and not shinny.


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    #26662456 - 05/10/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Those circle spots are mycelium poking up.

And yes, dry verm looks shinny and light colored. Wet perlite is darker and not shinny.




Nice, thank you for confirming it :smile:


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26666344 - 05/12/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hi!

It's been 5 or 6 days since I put the kit in the grow bag and one of the kits seems to be progressing (some mycelium growth on the top layer, as well as some rhizomorphic mycelium when you look through the sides of the tub) while the other one hasn't changed much.

I guess it just takes some more time to notice any changes.

Since the vermiculite layer seems moist enough, I haven't misted these days, but I've poked like 10 holes on each grow bag because I saw many posts where this was reccomended due to grow bags not providing enough FAE.

Do you think this was a good idea? Should I make more holes or just leave it like this and see what happens?

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    #26668322 - 05/13/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey!

Little update from today. I poked one more row of holes in the grow bag. Do you think I should tape them with micropore tape?

This is how one of the kits is looking today:







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    #26678888 - 05/18/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hi!

Don't know if I should open a new thread or continue this one. Just let me know if I should make a new post.

It's been 11 days since I finished dunking the kits and one of them has developed some mycelium on the vermiculite casing, but the other one hasn't. No pins yet. Do you think something's wrong with these kits or is this normal and I have to be more patient?

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    #26679088 - 05/18/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I just think no one knows what to tell ya lol. Just keep on waiting. It’s really hard to tell what’s up with these kits man. They all look the same with that chunky Verm layer and it’s hard to read compared to a non cased or a coir/verm cased tub that most people are used to dealing with.

If you have air coming in, which your holes will do and I think were a good idea, and you don’t let it dry out, and your myc is clean, it will happen.


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26679141 - 05/18/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I just think no one knows what to tell ya lol. Just keep on waiting. It’s really hard to tell what’s up with these kits man. They all look the same with that chunky Verm layer and it’s hard to read compared to a non cased or a coir/verm cased tub that most people are used to dealing with.

If you have air coming in, which your holes will do and I think were a good idea, and you don’t let it dry out, and your myc is clean, it will happen.




Thank you! I will be patient then :smile: at least there's no signs of contamination, so that's good lol

It's hard to tell if it needs more misting though, because the sides seem to hold humidity well, but the verm layer doesn't produce those small droplets that you can usually see after misting. If it was dry I think it would be easy to tell from the colour of the verm layer.


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Re: When to mist after dunking? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26690331 - 05/23/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Finally, after more than two weeks, one of the kits is producing some mushrooms. They are still very small, but I guess it's a good sign. There are also quite a few very small white balls which I think could be primordia.

The other kit is still not showing any progress. Should I dunk it in a couple of days as someone reccomended?

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    #26690475 - 05/23/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a picture of a pin. Anyone knows why it's so small?



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    #26691085 - 05/23/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

See if it grows

Glad to see you got a pin man, hell of a lot more exciting than nothing yeah?


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