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Alan Rockefeller
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Psilocybe cubensis type collection 1
#26647546 - 05/04/20 06:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Today I found photos of the holotype collection of Psilocybe cubensis on Mycoportal. It was collected on July 19, 1904 in La Habana, Santiago de las Vegas, Cuba by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Sumner_Earle. It was published as Stropharia cubensis in 1906 and Rolf Singer moved it into Psilocybe in 1948.
While it was discovered in and named after Cuba, it's a recent introduction and is native to Asia. This is the only non-native Psilocybe species found in the Americas, and is one of the few Psilocybe species that grows on dung.
It's closest relative is Psilocybe chuxiongensis from China, and second closest is Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. (see phylogenetic tree) It is possible that it could be hybridized with these species.
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This is Awesome!
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis type collection [Re: Allium]
#26647639 - 05/04/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Very cool!
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Well indeed Mr. Rockefeller, wonderful genetic information with the closest of kin.
Interesting indeed. I will be looking into this immediately. Or "viewing" into this as due to our country's federal regulations.
Information *noted.
This was documented on my birthday on July 19 , 1904
Edited by SannyTIES (05/04/20 12:00 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis type collection [Re: SannyTIES]
#26648209 - 05/04/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool findings Alan
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I noticed recently you were trying to source high quality Ovoid prints from the Ovoid forums. Are you planning to attempt this potential hybridization?
Edited by Alan Rockefeller (05/04/20 02:28 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis type collection [Re: donjonson420] 1
#26648479 - 05/04/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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donjonson420 said: I noticed recently you were trying to source high quality Ovoid prints from the Ovoid forums. Are you planning to attempt this potential hybridization?
No, but someone should. If mating single spore isolates doesn't work, snake venom likely would. People have recently been having a lot of success mating different Panaeolus species with venom.
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Alan, what do you think the chances of anastomosis and hybridisation occurring in dikaryons of these closely related species?
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Fascinating! It's interesting that it was collected as early as 1906, but apparently possibly no one tried to see if they were edible or poisonous? I'd love to talk with the guy who originally collected them and ask him some questions, unfortunate that that's obviously impossible now.
It's also extremely interesting that it isn't even native to the americas, yet now is so widely distributed across the US. I didn't even know that it originally came from cuba, but that makes sense with the name and all. It'd be interesting to know if it is native to china or somewhere in asia originally if any of the people who live in its native area have any traditional knowledge about it, or how far back that knowledge goes, etc. if there is any.
If you could hybridize it, it's possible that you'd still be able to grow on BRF jars and coir and stuff like that. It'd be interesting to find out. Might result in several entirely new options that are easy to grow.
Great find
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis type collection [Re: nooneman]
#26649694 - 05/05/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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inski said: Alan, what do you think the chances of anastomosis and hybridisation occurring in dikaryons of these closely related species?
I wouldn't have any way to guess how likely that is. I've heard it happens within the same species and also that it doesn't.
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nooneman said: Fascinating! It's interesting that it was collected as early as 1906, but apparently possibly no one tried to see if they were edible or poisonous?
Appears as though he didn't try to eat them.
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It'd be interesting to know if it is native to china or somewhere in asia originally if any of the people who live in its native area have any traditional knowledge about it, or how far back that knowledge goes, etc. if there is any.
There's some old reports of psilocybin intoxications from Asia, but apparently they didn't like the effects because they called them poisonings.
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It seems most people around in Asia believe they're poisonous. I've had locals trying to stop me from picking them on numerous occasitions and others thinking I'm downright insane shaking their heads. In India, or at least in parts of India, there's a culture around it. In Thailand and Laos it might have been introdused by westerners. Not sure about Indonesia. But in China, Japan and Korea there must've been some sort of culture around it? Thinking about the names, like clown mushroom, laughing mushroom, shadow numbness mushroom etc.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis type collection [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26651273 - 05/05/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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They are poisonous if you aren't expecting the effects. Not all poisons kill, anything that causes effects you don't like can be considered toxic using some definitions.
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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donjonson420 said: I noticed recently you were trying to source high quality Ovoid prints from the Ovoid forums. Are you planning to attempt this potential hybridization?
No, but someone should. If mating single spore isolates doesn't work, snake venom likely would. People have recently been having a lot of success mating different Panaeolus species with venom.
Allen, could you please link the sources for this information about the panoleous breeding? I am very much into the whole world of serial dilution and single spore mating.
Thanks for all the wonderful and exciting work you do and all the groundbreaking pictures and bushwhacking genetic work!!! Really dig all that!
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis type collection [Re: SannyTIES]
#26656474 - 05/08/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nothing published yet, perhaps the person doing it will write a tek.
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Alan Rockefeller said: This is the only non-native Psilocybe species found in the Americas
where are cyans, azzies, libs, baeos, ovoids, stunzii native to?
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis type collection [Re: MadMuncher]
#26656544 - 05/08/20 03:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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 This is awesome, thank you for sharing! Very cool to learn how mushrooms move around the earth and that there were mushroom nerds like Earle 100 years ago too.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis type collection [Re: MadMuncher]
#26656565 - 05/08/20 03:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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MadMuncher said:
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Alan Rockefeller said: This is the only non-native Psilocybe species found in the Americas
where are cyans, azzies, libs, baeos, ovoids, stunzii native to?
He said NON native, meaning all the rest of those are native.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis type collection [Re: OOISI]
#26656578 - 05/08/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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doubt it
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis type collection [Re: MadMuncher]
#26657662 - 05/08/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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How do we know Psilocybe Cubensis is not native to Cuba? Based on genetic evidence? If this type specimen was described in 1906 do we have some idea of when it arrived? Is it inferred because of the introduction of cattle at some point?
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis type collection [Re: 24sevenZed]
#26657713 - 05/08/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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there are no large herbivores native to cuba
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