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    #26656325 - 05/07/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Would I get a bigger high taking one larger cube that weighs 10g or taking 3 smaller cubes that weigh 10g total? Or does it not matter?


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Re: Large shroom vs multiple small shrooms. [Re: bj247] * 1
    #26656349 - 05/07/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It depends on the mushroom’s maturity. Once the cap’s veil breaks, allowing spores to start dropping, the mushrooms switches it’s energy from psilocybin and psilocin creation, and turns it’s energy to spore production.

So once the veil breaks, as the mushroom continues to grow, it becomes relatively weaker. So smaller mushrooms would be much stronger.


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Re: Large shroom vs multiple small shrooms. [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26656387 - 05/08/20 12:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Okay so these trip calculators arent very reliable then? Because they dont take into account the maturity of the mushrooms.


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Re: Large shroom vs multiple small shrooms. [Re: bj247] * 1
    #26656395 - 05/08/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There is so much variability in both natural and cultivated mushrooms, from mushroom to mushroom, any Doseage calculator can only provide an approximation. How significant the drop in relative potency is after the veils break, I don’t know; I’ve never really noticed that much of a difference. So I tend to aim for the majority of a flush being ready to harvest, then I’ll harvest all in one go. So you get some under-ripe fruits and some over-ripe fruits. I then make a tea from the bulk of a harvest - that way, you know the dose is homogenised, nd for that batch, the relative strength will be the same.

You can’t just eyeball a mushroom and say whether it is strong or not.


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Re: Large shroom vs multiple small shrooms. [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26656462 - 05/08/20 01:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks mate.


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Re: Large shroom vs multiple small shrooms. [Re: bj247]
    #26656534 - 05/08/20 02:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Some say that their more potent when there small but I think it’s a bunch of bullshit. I haven’t noticed a difference. I’d much prefer one 4 or 5 gram mushroom over a bunch of little shits lol if u have potent shrooms I don’t think it matters the size:shrug:


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Re: Large shroom vs multiple small shrooms. [Re: SFS96]
    #26656589 - 05/08/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

most people seem to agree that "aborts" and pins tend to be stronger than full grown mushrooms by weight, and that they're more potent before they break the veil, for the reason mentioned above.

i suspect that due to the variability of multispore, the reason that pins and aborts tend to seem stronger in general is because you're averaging out your shrooms - a mix of genetic duds, average shrooms, and supershrooms all combined to a good consistent mix whereas the couple big shroom trips from multispore grows are more of a gamble - you could have say - 1 giant awesome shroom, 1 giant dud, 2-3 average shrooms, 1 good and one bad shroom averaging out to a decent trip... etc etc.

if you want to avoid these sorts of inconsistencies, get some good genetics, cultivate a monoculture, and science it up - or play the lotto with multispore, but dry your shrooms, powder em up, and mix the powder thoroughly to get a consistent dose (for that batch).

of course, that doesn't mean multispores are all terrible crapshots - some varieties like the penis envies are consistently potent and worthwhile grows. just watch out... the supershrooms of those are enough to send you halfway to the Andromeda galaxy. ;3


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Re: Large shroom vs multiple small shrooms. [Re: Psion]
    #26656634 - 05/08/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Perfect description, Psion :thumbup:


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Re: Large shroom vs multiple small shrooms. [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26657225 - 05/08/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

As others have said, combining multiple smaller mushrooms into a single dose is going to average the fruit-to-fruit potency variation and make dosing more consistent.

Large mushrooms tend to have more water and/or hollow stems. The only way to know how much is to weigh before and after drying. Average I've seen is a dry weight that is about 8.5% of the fresh weight. Once you find out the average water content a batch is putting out, it's easy to correlate fresh weight to equivalent dry weight.

Density is another factor. One shoe box in particular put out fruits that came in at 12.4%. Dry dosing works normally because they were still average potency, but if those are eaten fresh expecting an 8.5% dry equivalent, then the ride is going to be almost 50% stronger than expected.


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Re: Large shroom vs multiple small shrooms. [Re: bj247]
    #26658014 - 05/08/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

bj247 said:
Okay so these trip calculators arent very reliable then? Because they dont take into account the maturity of the mushrooms.




Its an approximation, an average really.

I havent investigated the differences in size and weight between the two types, but I would say it really depends. So much variability.


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Re: Large shroom vs multiple small shrooms. [Re: Psion]
    #26660903 - 05/09/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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most people seem to agree that "aborts" and pins tend to be stronger than full grown mushrooms by weight, and that they're more potent before they break the veil, for the reason mentioned above.

i suspect that due to the variability of multispore, the reason that pins and aborts tend to seem stronger in general is because you're averaging out your shrooms - a mix of genetic duds, average shrooms, and supershrooms all combined to a good consistent mix whereas the couple big shroom trips from multispore grows are more of a gamble - you could have say - 1 giant awesome shroom, 1 giant dud, 2-3 average shrooms, 1 good and one bad shroom averaging out to a decent trip... etc etc.

if you want to avoid these sorts of inconsistencies, get some good genetics, cultivate a monoculture, and science it up - or play the lotto with multispore, but dry your shrooms, powder em up, and mix the powder thoroughly to get a consistent dose (for that batch).

of course, that doesn't mean multispores are all terrible crapshots - some varieties like the penis envies are consistently potent and worthwhile grows. just watch out... the supershrooms of those are enough to send you halfway to the Andromeda galaxy. ;3




First hand recent experience of that PE for sure..MS grow, 2 tubs, both consistently strong! like..super strong.. 3G of lime tek, and I was launched like a rocketship to the hyperspace, it was craaaazy, and awesome at the same time!

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Re: Large shroom vs multiple small shrooms. [Re: jimmyojimbo]
    #26660947 - 05/09/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yeah lol, i tried 4G dried of PEU with syrian rue and that thing launched me way WAY harder than 8G with rue of any other shrooms i'd tried. more visual too, was amazing. :nyan:


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