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Should I mist and fan?
    #26655109 - 05/07/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It's my first grow ever (GT) and just not sure about colinization phase. I have read some fan/mist and other say you don't need to if you setup correctly. I'm using Rye Berry grain spawn. Sub is Verm, Coco Coir, Coffee Grounds, Gypsum. The picture is day five of monotub. I have the tub covered in a black bag, temp is 77, humid is 90  . Plenty of visible condensation on walls. Growth is starting to show. Don't want to fuck it up by misting and faning. Any advise is appreciated.


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: Marbella]
    #26655128 - 05/07/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It's my first grow ever (GT) and just not sure about colinization phase. I have read some fan/mist and other say you don't need to if you setup correctly. I'm using Rye Berry grain spawn. Sub is Verm, Coco Coir, Coffee Grounds, Gypsum. The picture is day five of monotub. I have the tub covered in a black bag, temp is 77, humid is 90  . Plenty of visible condensation on walls. Growth is starting to show. Don't want to fuck it up by misting and faning. Any advise is appreciated.




I don't see any pictures. But take it out of the trash bag , that is completely unnecessary. Forget about the humidity number, it isn't telling you anything you need to know. Don't worry about condensation, it will change throughout the day with temperature.

Most of us don't do a spawn run anymore, we put the tubs into "fruiting conditions"immediately after spawning them.
Fanning is pointless, you don't need to do it ever.
Mist if the surface looks dry, if not, leave it be.



  Now you say you used coffee grounds, how did you prepare your substrate? With coffee you need to pasteurize properly (held at pasteurization temps for one hour). Can't use bucket Tek with coffee in the mix.


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: Marbella] * 1
    #26655145 - 05/07/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: Marbella] * 1
    #26655158 - 05/07/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You could give it a little mist if it seems dry, won't hurt anything.

If I were you I'd pull the tape off and put the polyfill in now.


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: mushpunx]
    #26655166 - 05/07/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks AMU for clarifying some of my assumptions. Don't go off humidy meter, I think it's not accurate anyway. Don't mist and fan unless I see dry sub. As for coffee, you may have pointed out a learning lesson for me. I did use bucket tek with boiling water for 1 hour. So it sounds like I might get contam. thanks again.


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: Marbella]
    #26655464 - 05/07/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I would argue that fanning is unnecessary if your FC has the proper FAE needed for growing. Misting is definitely required as mushrooms are like 90%+ water.

I usually mist till the substrate looks moist (not saturated) and let the FC do the rest of the work for me.

Your grow looka good, nice work.


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26655733 - 05/07/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah man next time leave the coffee out. Honestly for cubes coir is all you really need


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: mushpunx]
    #26655755 - 05/07/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I wouldnt mist until after full colonization and as needed

What type of tub?

During colonization you want to just place the lid and limit air. Basically set and wait for full colonization, no misting or fanning

My bad musta missed the pic thinking it was a sig

You can mist that if its dry, that could push out a nice pinset as is

I prefer not to touch until after a dense pinset arrives though unless conditions call for it


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #26655764 - 05/07/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

"During colonization you want to just place the lid and limit air. Basically set and wait for full colonization, no misting or fanning"


Most of us stopped doing this years ago.  We don't do spawn runs anymore. I think it's better to give FAE + lighting directly after spawning.


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: mushpunx]
    #26655797 - 05/07/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Uhh what?

Idk what the hell a spawn run is but light yes. Air no.

More air is slower colonization time and longer time to pins in my experience.

Maybe youre confused by what i said in my post

If you consider air to be what you get with a snapped lid on a shoebox or a flipped lid on a mono then yes you want air.

If youre saying to remove the lid for more air or fan then no you dont want to do that.

Higher co2 and higher humidity is better for a pinset


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: Enkidu]
    #26655862 - 05/07/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Im pretty sure "spawn run" means spawn colonization aka grain colonization. Its an old term that no one really uses anymore.


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26655913 - 05/07/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I will use "traditional style" monotubs with polyfill as an example -

We used to mix our spawn and substrate together in the tub and leave the holes taped shut until our substrate was fully colonized - this period is the Spawn run.

At full colonization we would remove the tape and introduce FAE by putting in the polyfill.

Most of us don't do this anymore - in a traditional monotub we spawn our tubs and introduce light and FAE from the very beginning (which we dial in thru the polyfill).

In the case of an unmodified tub, the equivalent of a spawn run would me having the lid shut until the substrate is fully colonized and then flipping the lid over to allow FAE.
Most of us don't do this. We introduce FAE as soon as we spawn the tub.


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: mushpunx]
    #26656635 - 05/08/20 05:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Idk who "most of us" is.

Ime its best to wait until pins to up air.

Im basing that off growing lbs of mushrooms in short periods of time and trying different fruiting methods with my tubs

The fastest and best performers were the ones that had low fae and high humidity until pins were already developed

Introducing more air earlier caused a delay in colonization and less desirable pinset

So like i said, i would recommend not fanning or misting a colonizing tub and just letting it do its thing and leave it alone until you need to disturb it unless conditions say otherwise

That is how i have gotten the best results with my tubs


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: Enkidu]
    #26656673 - 05/08/20 06:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey whatever works for you man , keep doing it :shrug:.
When I say "Most of us" I mean pretty much the entirety of the more experienced cultivators on here that I communicate with
On the leaving it alone until it needs it part I agree with you, tubs never need fanning (this is a pointless exercise, anything it accomplishes will happen in a few minutes on it's own they FAE), and typically substrates don't need misting while they are colonizing. As far as colonization times and time to pinning , I have had opposite results as you - both times decreased and overall my substrates are healthier when they get FAE right from the start. 


Here is an excerpt from Bodhisattva's unmodified tub Tek (which I find much superior to the 6 hole configuration) :

"after having done some trials I put my tubs into fruiting conditions(lid upside down for air gaps) immediately. I have noticed faster colonization times, faster times to pinning as well. Cubensis is an aerobic organism, While some old books talk about high co2 during colonization my own tests show clearly that FAE right away is superior. Try it out for yourself and do your own side by sides and let the community know.

I now make no distinction between colonization conditions and fruiting conditions. I just chose to call it
Growing Conditions
My tubs do not dry out being in "fruiting conditions" during "colonization"
My yields have stayed the same. My time to full colonization has decreased as has the time to pinning and harvest.
I have always had exposed top grains, doing "fruiting conditions" immediately has not caused an issue even with exposed grains."


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: mushpunx] * 1
    #26656700 - 05/08/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm gonna go ahead and say most of us... Lol

I agree that old argument about CO2 build up is old info. Spawn/Light/FAE/ mist if it looks dry. It's a pretty easy set up.


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Re: Should I mist and fan? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26656735 - 05/08/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I mean thats literally what i just said

That i put a flipped lid on a tub from the start for a mono

A snapped shoebox lid is allowing fae. Thats how i run them.

He asked if he should mist and fan.

I said to let his shit stay and let be because removing a lid and adding air or doing a dub tub early or increasing fae (what i do regularly once pins are started and fruits are growing) is not conducive to sub colonizing fully and pins forming

I dont really see what you disagree about with me

If its not co2 then whatever the reason is, high humiditiy and low fae is best for colonizing. Once pinsand fruits form more air is better.

And you shouldnt mist sub before its colonized unless you fucked up its field capacity or let it dry out

The pic he posted you could mist if its dry. And keeping fae low would be best imo.

I never said eliminate air or let sit completely sealed. I said let the shit be while it colonizes and limit air

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