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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26665267 - 05/11/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You sure?
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: pineninja]
#26665284 - 05/11/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm sure I'm not sure.
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: DividedQuantum] 1
#26665297 - 05/11/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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And thus a beautiful conversation begins.
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: pineninja] 1
#26665793 - 05/12/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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you mean zen surfing, or zen archery, thus zen speaking!
i.e. not thinking before speaking, but speaking from your heart, with all the honesty that may be there.
this is what I AM REFERRING TO, speaking or acting or thinking is all the same to mind. it is one thing.
the zen of it is the minimal fuss around each thing. so not thinking before speaking, thinking all the time (meditating?), and speaking directly from the heart.
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: laughingdog]
#26665882 - 05/12/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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laughingdog said: Re: thealienthatategod
Some reading of the work of Milton Erickson,.
I have been trying to remember this guys name for 6 months.
Thank you for typing the words here 
If you have any PDFs you like and feel like sending them I love you long time.
Specifically something with a line of his that says (forgive the overt butchery this is from something 5 years ago I read )
“ yada ya da - the actual conditions of an individual as best suited to their particular real needs ya da ya da .
Something to that effect.
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26668677 - 05/13/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said:
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laughingdog said: Re: thealienthatategod
Some reading of the work of Milton Erickson,.
I have been trying to remember this guys name for 6 months.
Thank you for typing the words here 
If you have any PDFs you like and feel like sending them I love you long time.
Specifically something with a line of his that says (forgive the overt butchery this is from something 5 years ago I read )
“ yada ya da - the actual conditions of an individual as best suited to their particular real needs ya da ya da .
Something to that effect. 
there is no secret, I suppose its just too obvious, for instance one could start here:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=milton+erickson+pdf&t=hk&ia=web
or here
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=milton+erickson%2C++free+pdf&t=hk&ia=web
or similar search terms,
or use google, if you like being tracked, although I expect duckduck an't what they claim either
as regards the approximate quote I have no data.
If you have a few bucks this good intro is available, used, on Amazon, "Uncommon Therapy: The Psychiatric Techniques of Milton H. Erickson, M.D.", by jay haley for about $4- + postage.
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: laughingdog]
#26668707 - 05/13/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’ll find what I’m looking for eventually. I was asking bc years ago you posted a link to a pdf that relates to what I was asking for, I should have known after all this time that you would remember what such a blip in time was specifically probably a very unlikely shot I the dark, all good though
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26668726 - 05/13/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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some i down loaded, ( so putting them in a search engine may bring them up) at some point in time long ago were:
the wisdom of ME excerpt.pdf
Burden of Responsibility.pdf
Milton H. Erickson - Experiencing Hypnosis v1.pdf
Hypnotic_Realities_-_Milton_H._Erickson.pdf
Naturalistic Techniques of Hypnosis.pdf
Erickson - Hypnotherpy Exploratory Casebook.pdf
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: laughingdog]
#26668736 - 05/13/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26671830 - 05/15/20 02:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Too clever?
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26685290 - 05/21/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: Can we ever take credit for the clever things we say? If you say something quickly, but had nothing to do with what your brain produced, then I would say no. If you reason something out, with intent, arrive at a point, hold it in your awareness and evaluate it, and then say it, then maybe you can take a little more credit. It is all a matter of awareness, but I am not sure, in the end, we can honestly take any credit for that creative fire that we do not really control.
We can channel and manipulate it, but do we ever truly control it? Certainly each good brain makes its imprint. But does “taking credit” even mean anything?
I once wrote a paragraph here word for word with exact punctuation, out of Ram Dass Be Here Now. I thought i had come up with it myself. I had not remembered ever reading the book before and once i realized he had indeed written it first, my mind was kind of blown.
If there is some objectivity to be found, credit would go to whom came up with the idea first. However, the same idea may be expressed by others without ever having been introduced to it.
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: hTx]
#26685902 - 05/21/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kind of reminds me of something Niel DeGrasse Tyson said-- When we don't understand something, such as the quantum fluctuations that caused the creation of the universe, we say it is just a very complex and difficult material to understand. But to a monkey, building a simple machine might seem very difficult. Perhaps to a more advanced being, what seems like a monumental achievement to us (such as composing a symphony), may seem like a first grader project that their little Timmy made at school. So... its hubris for us to say something is really complex. Maybe we're just not very smart.
I can't take credit for that thought, since it wasn't mine... and I just repeated it lol
A lot of stuff we think came from outside of ourselves.
The rest... maybe its like genetic variation & change? Are our original thoughts just "recombinations" of other material that we have seen?
Is taking credit for anything just hubris in itself? Maybe it depends on the situation and the motive of the heart of the individual.
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: hTx]
#26686040 - 05/21/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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hTx said:
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DividedQuantum said: Can we ever take credit for the clever things we say? If you say something quickly, but had nothing to do with what your brain produced, then I would say no. If you reason something out, with intent, arrive at a point, hold it in your awareness and evaluate it, and then say it, then maybe you can take a little more credit. It is all a matter of awareness, but I am not sure, in the end, we can honestly take any credit for that creative fire that we do not really control.
We can channel and manipulate it, but do we ever truly control it? Certainly each good brain makes its imprint. But does “taking credit” even mean anything?
I once wrote a paragraph here word for word with exact punctuation, out of Ram Dass Be Here Now. I thought i had come up with it myself. I had not remembered ever reading the book before and once i realized he had indeed written it first, my mind was kind of blown.
If there is some objectivity to be found, credit would go to whom came up with the idea first. However, the same idea may be expressed by others without ever having been introduced to it.
you can at least take credit for thinking the thought appropriately, as opposed to treating the sequence of words as a meaningless ritual. original thought may not be as important as appropriate or suitable thought, thought that really fits well. words that really fit well.
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: redgreenvines]
#26686593 - 05/21/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can give credit to the avenue that lead to the thought though..
Like what thoughts led up to the thought(wether original or not).
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: BrendanFlock]
#26686639 - 05/21/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're forgetting about the thought about whether or not credit is due...ie was that thought of credibility...credible.
At some point there is assumption or two.
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: pineninja]
#26687760 - 05/22/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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BrendanFlock said: You can give credit to the avenue that lead to the thought though..
Like what thoughts led up to the thought(wether original or not).
this is the essence of scholarliness.
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pineninja said: You're forgetting about the thought about whether or not credit is due...ie was that thought of credibility...credible.
At some point there is assumption or two.
some credit is not worth the paper it's printed on.
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#26689011 - 05/22/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If we can briefly entertain the notion that non-dualism is literally true and all thought is channeled, this question becomes easier to answer.
Credit goes to the open mind that channeled it I guess
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: Forrester] 1
#26689103 - 05/22/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah because you have to have the open mind to channel the thought..
So credit can be given to the open mindedness
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: BrendanFlock] 1
#26689112 - 05/22/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That makes pretty good sense.
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Re: Taking credit for the clever things we say [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26689689 - 05/23/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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open credit for all!
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